"Some Time"

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2015/11/19 12:02:14 (permalink)

"Some Time"

https://soundcloud.com/bats-brew/some-time

this is a song off the just release 3rd bats brew album, "Stay".
 
i posted a couple of different versions of this song here in the songs forum,
over the last couple of years, as i developed it..
and a lot of comments from you guys went into the final version of this thing.
just wanted to share it.
 
 
 
a shot of this particular session, i used a 'bunch' of guitars!!!
LOL


more info on the new album in this thread:
http://forum.cakewalk.com...bum-Stay-m3317130.aspx
 

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"The Time is Magic"
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    Re: "Some Time" 2015/11/19 12:32:46 (permalink)


    Life is not about waiting for the storm to pass, it's about learning to dance in the rain.
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    Re: "Some Time" 2015/11/19 16:09:08 (permalink)
    thanks wookiee

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    Re: "Some Time" 2015/11/20 11:42:00 (permalink)
    some back story on this song:
    when i FIRST bought the toontracks EZdrummer software,
    this was the first song i programmed.
     
    i put together an instrumental with the drum track, and called it 'Ez-duzzit'
    if you want to hear the first demo version of this, i can post it...
    anyway, it sat for a while...

    and i wasn't quite sure what to do with it.

    i have a lot of songs that evolve that way....... i mean, right now, i probably have 10 unfinished instrumentals, about 10 demos, and maybe 4 finished tunes...
    so then later, i bought toontracks Superior Drummer 2.0.
    really like it, still use it, that's what's on this song.
     
     
    some tech jive:
    eventually i learned the software, and i got heavily into editing midi data, and manually pushing beats around.....
    even tho it has a randomization process to it, to 'humanize' the groove,
    i like to make it more personal.

    there's not ONE loop that i pull into a drum track, that i haven't hand edited to some degree...
    that's how i try to make it my own.
     
    i'll even pull a beat OFF the beat, or make a fill drag or push, the way i hear a natural drum track happen.
    i'm lucky in that i've worked with some super drummers over the years, and i feel like i'm tapped into it.
    so, i began editing this song to have different sections, and the lyric started to happen, then the melody, and it was built up from that original 'jam' idea i had.
     
    i used all the guitars in the above photo, on this song, plus this one:

    this epi dbl neck SG was on loan from a friend...
    i used it on at least 5 of the songs on the album...
    really mostly as texture.....
    a couple of songs feature it, like on 'Road to Tabriz'.
     
     
    guitar rig:
    a lot of my current electric guitar tracks are recorded direct.
    i use a combination of a part of my big rig, captured by a Palmer Junction PDI-09 at full output of the amp, and then an attenuator to take the volume down as low as i want.
    now, when i'm recording myself, i typically use my own cabinet as my guitar monitor, don't even put it thru the mix while tracking--no latency-- and then i crank the ever mother lovin' peeese out of the monitors with the mix coming through, and play like i'm jamming with a full band.
     
    but, if i want to, 
    i can use  the attenuator maxed out, i can take the volume of the amp down to night-time bedroom volume, and either play the monitors very low, or go to the headphones.
    i've never liked the results of sims, went thru several before i gave up on them, and much prefer the sound of a miced loud cab, but the attenuator and palmer is a WONDERFUL COMPROMISE, and the proof is in the recordings.
     

    using the palmer pdi-09 with miced cabs:
    i combine micing a cab, with the direct signal from the palmer, as often as i can...
    most times, close micing plus the direct, doesn't get you into too much trouble with phase issues...
    if you're good in the DAW, you can actually slip the miced guitar track's wav file to exactly match the direct....
    since there IS a time delay between the direct and the mic.
    but typically, i go ahead and back the mic off to get the room sound, and then blend THAT with the palmer track.
    works great, if you've got a good room sound.
    working direct is different, tho..
    you'll find that you have a much more immediate sound in the monitors/headphones, and it COULD throw you at first.
    you get used to it tho..
    i've found that putting some mild digital delay and reverb on the track just while i'm tracking (not printing effects) can help with the somewhat sterile vibe from the palmer direct...
    you know, you get used to standing around and listening to your amp bouncing it's sound off the walls of your room, and THAT is the sound of your guitar and amp.
    the palmer doesn't give a rat's @ss about any of that!!
    LOL
    my favorite way of using the palmer direct, is to NOT use the headphones...
    but crank up my music thru the monitors, as loud as the situation will allow, and match the volume of my amp (using the attenuator) to the monitors, and simply along with the monitors listening to my actual amp sound.
    then, i play more naturally.
    and whatever sound i end up with on the palmer, i work with.
    i've come up with several scenarios now, of how to adjust my amp to more approximate a 'miced' sound with the palmer, and even tho i'm setting the amp to suit the recording direct part, and use settings i typically would NEVER use at stage volume, or at full mic recording, it still works really well for low volume recording.

    the other cool fringe benefit of the palmer, is that when you gig, instead of micing, use the palmer....
    the sound guys absolutely love it, and you cannot tell the difference at all thru a PA.
     
     
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    recording setup:

     
    i run it thru my pedalboard, using the Barber Tone Press as a compressor, the Barber Direct Drive pedal for some grit, the ISP Decimator for a bit of noise control, and ran that directly into my SANSAMP bass DI, and then thru a mic pre (A Designs Audio MP-1) and out of that thru a A Designs ATTY for level control, directly into my MAudio 192 soundcard for conversion.
    sometimes, i'll use the sansamp to split the signal, and record one track with the sansamp sound, and take a parallel out from the sansamp, run THAT thru the boogie, and record the output of that thru the Palmer Junction, direct to another track, and then blend the two.
    that way, i can get DEEP from the pedal, and DRIVE and MIDS from the boogie.
    or, i can run the bass from the sansamp track STRAIGHT UP, then take the boogie feed into sonar as a stereo track, and then split that and apply a stereo effect, hard pan those left and right, and bring them up to just blend with the centered dry straight track.
    it's a pretty simple but powerful setup.
     
     

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    Re: "Some Time" 2015/11/20 12:40:34 (permalink)
    I'm hearing some things that conjure Led Zep at the beginning. Great work on those drums. I can tell you put a lot of work into your productions and are meticulous in what you do and how you do it......in addition to being a great guitarist..what's not to like?

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    Re: "Some Time" 2015/11/20 16:18:25 (permalink)
    Great work with the instruments and singing and really good melodies and keeps interesting all the way. I was ready for a less rocky going based on the beginning! Is this progressive rock style?

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    Re: "Some Time" 2015/11/20 17:03:25 (permalink)
    Starise
    I'm hearing some things that conjure Led Zep at the beginning. Great work on those drums. I can tell you put a lot of work into your productions and are meticulous in what you do and how you do it......in addition to being a great guitarist..what's not to like?


    yep, zep would definitely be a contributing factor.
    LOL
     
    i cut my guitar teeth on zep.
    i'm never trying to sound like zep..
    otherwise all the drums would sound like they are in a big cave or something!
    heheh
     
    but the IDEA of the acoustics working with the electrics, a kind of folk song approach mixed with a hard rock element, a big drum sound, some ambience on the vox in places..... and a bunch of different electric guitar capture approaches..... this is the thing that is the take-away from zeppelin, for me....
     
    thanks starise, for listening and engaging me
     

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    Re: "Some Time" 2015/11/21 13:37:15 (permalink)
    kakku
    Great work with the instruments and singing and really good melodies and keeps interesting all the way. I was ready for a less rocky going based on the beginning! Is this progressive rock style?


    thanks for listening kakku!
     
    i don't think you can really call this 'prog style'.
     
    it's kinda leaning that way,
    but the meter, time elements and chord structure is still fully standing in the straight up rock side,
    IMHO

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    Re: "Some Time" 2015/11/22 18:30:01 (permalink)
    bummpin' for some action
     

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    Re: "Some Time" 2015/11/23 15:06:24 (permalink)
    maybe i need to post a different one?

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    Re: "Some Time" 2015/11/23 17:41:18 (permalink)
     Had this CD, burned from flac, in the car looping for about a week. Awesome tunage.  So many great elements in this one.  As expected, outstanding musicianship and production.

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    Re: "Some Time" 2015/11/23 19:10:35 (permalink)
    seriously great guitar work!
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    Re: "Some Time" 2015/11/24 11:51:16 (permalink)
    ohgrant
     Had this CD, burned from flac, in the car looping for about a week. Awesome tunage.  So many great elements in this one.  As expected, outstanding musicianship and production.


    so, you ripped a cd from FLAC files to play in the car? that's cool, good idea......
    i have not tried that.
     
    thanks ohgrant,
    glad you are digging this one.
    just wished more would.
    LOL
     
     

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    Re: "Some Time" 2015/11/24 22:40:00 (permalink)
    mikeinFL
    seriously great guitar work!


    allright mike!!!
     
    in florida!!!
     
    LOL
     
    i grew up in jacksonville.....
     
     
     
    thanks for listening...
    and check out the other tunes i'm gonna post soon

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    Re: "Some Time" 2015/11/24 22:48:40 (permalink)
    Hey batsbrew,
     
    I'm listening on my laptop speakers, so forgive me if I miss some details. I like how you were using the different techniques on the acoustic guitar to create the riff. I like how free it feels at the beginning, eventually locking into to the rock section later on, and just the through-composed feel in general. Awesome guitar playing, how many separate overdubs did you have to do? It sounds good, congrats man.
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    Re: "Some Time" 2015/11/24 22:56:00 (permalink)
    Amine Belkhouche
    Hey batsbrew,
     
    I'm listening on my laptop speakers, so forgive me if I miss some details. I like how you were using the different techniques on the acoustic guitar to create the riff. I like how free it feels at the beginning, eventually locking into to the rock section later on, and just the through-composed feel in general. Awesome guitar playing, how many separate overdubs did you have to do? It sounds good, congrats man.


    hi amine....
    yep, laptop speakers, are the bane of my existence!!
     
    LOL
     
    no, seriously, thanks for even listening....
     
    when you get a chance to do some 'deep listening', i think you will be surprised at the level of production on this set of songs on this new album....
     
    for this song:
    the whole thing was done as an instrumental to go along with the first drum track i ever programmed using ezdrummer.
     
    later, i got superior drummer, edited a LOT of the original drum track info,
    and chose different kits, until i found one that i really liked (the one on the recording.....)
     
     
    so, the whole song started with an electric guitar rhythm,
    and ultimately was built up from that.
     
     
    on this song,
    i've got 2 hard rhythms, 4 acoustic rhythms, 3 lead guitars, and a couple of filler parts....
     

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    Re: "Some Time" 2015/11/24 23:12:55 (permalink)
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    hi amine....
    yep, laptop speakers, are the bane of my existence!!
     
    LOL



    haha, if it's any consolation, they're some pretty solid laptop speakers.
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    Re: "Some Time" 2015/11/24 23:36:08 (permalink)
    yes, i feel consoled.


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    Re: "Some Time" 2015/11/25 08:19:11 (permalink)
    Fookin' awesome!
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    Re: "Some Time" 2015/11/25 09:57:18 (permalink)
    thanks jammy!
     

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