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Re: Kingston alert!!!
2015/11/26 16:19:49
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I suspect that most Sonar users know by now that the first 2-3 weeks after release of the monthly update need to be left to those who wish to take on the role of Post-release Beta Tester. Some of us have learned this the hard way. It was a good idea for CW to clean up the code and remove any bloat in Sonar Pt. However, this is often more fraught with danger than adding a new feature. Cheers.
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Re: Kingston alert!!!
2015/11/26 16:37:21
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KIKO CUETO
Esto lo he comentado en otro hilo,pero creo que es bueno sumar opiniones, he tenido problemas al exportar.
Pues, despues de Mucho intentarlo y no queria Que Lo CONSEGUIR, Una PASE regresión una Jamaica, y la exportacion me ha funcionado a la primera, no se si que sera el Proyecto ESTABA En Esta actualizacion .....
Puede ser que sea un plugin específico que causa el problema. Es posible que desee pruebe a desactivar todos los plugins en el proyecto y luego exportar una pequeña parte de ella para audio. Si funciona, intente volver a habilitar los plugins uno por uno hasta que encuentre el que está causando el problema.
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Re: Kingston alert!!!
2015/11/26 19:21:34
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jpetersen
@icontakt:
Is it possible to revert to JS but still install the new drum replacer download that came with K?
I don't use DR (I've never installed it), but I've just rolled back to Jamaica Plain and see the DR on the Command Center saying "Latest version: 1.2.0.14" (which IS the latest version), so I think you can use the new DR in JP. Doktor Avalanche
I really need a stable version of Sonar with no big issues to get in my way, and month after month I'm given a choice of what I should cope with or not, and yes I might be considering another DAW if the situation continues (not to be facetious or anything). Pity because I think Sonar is a great product. I certainly was pretty optimistic about the situation when Platinum came out but getting less so.
I appreciate I may be in the minority in these forums when it comes to vocalizing this opinion, but outside the Sonar forums I see a different story. A lot of people I notice are worried about making comments like this for fear of being shouted down, the reputation is that these are helpful forums until somebody says something which can be deemed or labelled as anti-sonar, even when they are not trying to be.
I understand your concerns and points.
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Re: Kingston alert!!!
2015/11/26 20:21:48
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Duh. I meant JP, not JS. But OK, you understood that.
Thanks for the info.
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Re: Kingston alert!!!
2015/11/26 21:26:44
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DR often seems dependent on Sonar versions. You will see an error message if it is out of sync or it will crash (earlier versions) anyway. See how it goes... You will soon find out.
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Re: Kingston alert!!!
2015/11/27 02:29:15
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KPerry
What new features were there this release? This was all about optimisations, no?
Optimizations/performance improvements are enhancements not bug fixes and certainly would not happen during a feature freeze.
Well one is VST engine improvements handling mono. By the look of it this it may have broken some third party plugins which had previously worked around the issue, at least that's how I interpreted cakewalks post.
Regardless not complaining yet, cakewalk needs to be given a chance to put in a rapid regression fix or two, but it is Thanksgiving..
Now here's where I would disagree: I think that optimisations/performance improvements *are* bug fixes. In extremis, something that is too slow actually makes a feature unusable, hence it is broken - improving its performance makes it usable, hence fixes a bug. An obvious example would be a VST which used so much CPU because of inefficient programming that it couldn't run without overloading; a change to the relevant code makes it work. Bug fix, surely? The main reason, however, feature freezes/maintenance releases per se make little sense is as follows. Suppose there are a mere 10 bugs in SONAR. There is a maintenance release that addresses 9 of them, no new features. That one bug is one that affects you* and a handful of other users, but the majority of use cases are unaffected. The next release has new features because we've just had a maintenance release, so new features are presumably OK to add again. But you will still be unhappy because one of your bugs isn't fixed, so you want another maintenance release before new features are added. The logical conclusion is that nothing is enhanced/improved/added until all bugs are quashed, because there will always be some people who haven't had *their* bugbears addressed. That would clearly never work commercially, nor would it likely be practical (especially given the huge variety of hardware, operating systems, plug-ins and combinations thereof in a DAW). * This is a non-specific "you", by the way. EDITED to remove not that changed the meaning of one sentence!
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Re: Kingston alert!!!
2015/11/27 04:30:25
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Doktor Avalanche
Doktor Avalanche
A lot of people I notice are worried about making comments like this for fear of being shouted down, the reputation is that these are helpful forums until somebody says something which can be deemed or labelled as anti-sonar, even when they are not trying to be.
backwoods
ALEX, i think u need a psychiatrist. You post about a thousand times how crap everything is and say thank god i read the forums, i'm rolling back to gloucester. i won't be updating this month.
then two minutes later. ok, i just updated to kingston. seems solid.
seriously, **** you weirdo!!!
^^^^
There you go... The sad thing is that comment will be allowed, and the thread will end up deteriating most likely...
maybe if you only commented in threads where you contribute something useful to the OP then you wouldn't wind people up so much? it's really ok, you don't have to comment on everything, you know? 
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Re: Kingston alert!!!
2015/11/27 08:07:47
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KPerry
Now here's where I would disagree: I think that optimisations/performance improvements *are* bug fixes. In extremis, something that is too slow actually makes a feature unusable, hence it is broken - improving its performance makes it usable, hence fixes a bug.
From a developer and software development perspective it isn't though, they are categorised as enhancements. Performance improvements can always be made all the time, from the perspective you state one could argue that all non optimal code is 'buggy' (which would pretty much be most of the product, you can always make improvements). If something does become so slow to become unusable it can be deemed a performance bug however, as you mention, I haven't seen that in Sonar for long while. The whole point of a feature freeze is to surgically fix what can be fixed without doing any major code alterations, with the hope that it does not create major bugs. Even after this there is likelyhood of regression issue, so that has to be factored in as well. In regards to your other comment I think you are basically trying to say there will always be bugs, that is a given, it is however a numbers game and everything should be done to minimalize that figure. If you don't get them first time around you try again next time round, all of it is a cycle. I agree priority is down to impact (ie number of people effected), but if you don't ever fix bugs that effect 'minorities' (nb 'minorities' can be quite large when selling thousands of copies) then what you can end up with is big backlog of irritations, which take away from the user experience. Eventually it can bite you in the back as it will eventually get noticed by everybody. Then you end up with a heck of a lot of complaints and a huge backlog of work to do. Having said that (separate point) these performance enhancements seem pretty good.
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/11/27 08:45:29
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Re: Kingston alert!!!
2015/11/27 08:36:30
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☄ Helpfulby easyjoey 2015/11/28 23:23:01
backwoods
ALEX, i think u need a psychiatrist. You post about a thousand times how crap everything is and say thank god i read the forums, i'm rolling back to gloucester. i won't be updating this month.
then two minutes later. ok, i just updated to kingston. seems solid.
seriously, **** you weirdo!!!
This kind of post is in violation of the CoC. Please don't post this sort of thing in the future. If you have a problem with a member you can contact a host or CW and have them take care of the situation. Do not attack another member or call them names. This is not permitted.
post edited by Wookiee - 2015/11/28 14:30:10
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Re: Kingston alert!!!
2015/11/27 08:46:08
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I don't think he meant it to be abusive John...lets let this slip its been a ordeal for some people this release (Kingston)
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Re: Kingston alert!!!
2015/11/27 08:49:33
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dappa1
I don't think he meant it to be abusive John...lets let this slip its been a ordeal for some people this release (Kingston)
Please google '****'. You may think differently afterwards. It's certainly an ordeal for people on the receiving end. Fingers crossed then this thread can continue a sensible discussion without a bunfight.
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Re: Kingston alert!!!
2015/11/27 09:01:38
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dappa1
I don't think he meant it to be abusive John...lets let this slip its been a ordeal for some people this release (Kingston)
You maybe right. I can only go by what I have read. BTW Alex did not have anything to do with my posting. And I am letting this slip for now.
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Re: Kingston alert!!!
2015/11/27 09:06:19
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So somebody writes: ''seriously, **** you weirdo!!!'' Somebody else wrotes: 'I don't think he meant it to be abusive' Host writes: 'You may be right'. Arghh these forums. Seriously? And now I'll probably get attacked for writing this. That's how it works... Anyway whatever..
post edited by Wookiee - 2015/11/28 14:31:44
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Re: Kingston alert!!!
2015/11/27 09:15:17
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OK make this the end of it. There is no need to keep this going.
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Re: Kingston alert!!!
2015/11/27 09:33:52
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Actually you guys are keeping this going. I had already moved on by the time you had arrived. That comment was made 18 hours ago. Perhaps next time delete the comment and PM the offender rather than bring this up again (like the person on the receiving end really wants to relive the experience), and then be apologists afterwards to the person making the offending comment. And as I already said whatever... That's English for 'moving on' maybe. Of course I'd rather not hang around discussions I find personally offensive, and then bare witness to a discussion around it. You gotta be kidding me.
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/11/27 10:09:41
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Re: Kingston alert!!!
2015/11/27 10:47:31
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step away from the keyboard
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Re: Kingston alert!!!
2015/11/27 12:47:46
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I have the same problem. Seems projects that contain Z3ta+2 have a load error when you open them. They do seem to run OK and if you save with the Kingston update they seem fine from there on...
After that they load much quicker and work fine. The rest of the Kingston updates look great.
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Re: Kingston alert!!!
2015/11/27 16:30:26
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Did I miss it?
Has anyone mentioned in this thread that Rapture Session cannot be authorized offline?
For now... It was a "waste" of my download efforts...
Currently wifi is not reaching the studio.
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Re: Kingston alert!!!
2015/11/27 16:34:31
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☄ Helpfulby Doktor Avalanche 2015/11/27 17:03:40
Doktor Avalanche
Perhaps next time delete the comment and PM the offender rather than bring this up again
This is how I would like all personal attacks in this forum to be treated as well. I am not pointing fingers, but there should not be room for personal attacks from anyone (this goes in every direction, including mine). The written word is much more likely to be misinterpreted, as there is no physical communication. But personal attacks are just wrong on so many levels... I bet most of the people would not (dare to) say what they write to a person face to face. It is too easy to "hide" behind a pseudonym, where you will not be held in account (personally) for the things that is said / written. If anyone is offended by this (my) post, grow up!  And now a civil discussion... All the best.
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Re: Kingston alert!!!
2015/11/27 16:39:26
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Doktor Avalanche
Perhaps next time delete the comment and PM the offender rather than bring this up again
This is how I would like all personal attacks in this forum to be treated as well.
I am not pointing fingers, but there should not be room for personal attacks from anyone (this goes in every direction, including mine).
The written word is much more likely to be misinterpreted, as there is no physical communication.
But personal attacks are just wrong on so many levels...
I bet most of the people would not (dare to) say what they write to a person face to face.
It is too easy to "hide" behind a pseudonym, where you will not be held in account (personally) for the things that is said / written.
If anyone is offended by this (my) post, grow up!
And now a civil discussion...
All the best.
Here's to people who use their real names, well said.
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Re: Kingston alert!!!
2015/11/27 16:41:06
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Keni
Did I miss it?
Has anyone mentioned in this thread that Rapture Session cannot be authorized offline?
For now... It was a "waste" of my download efforts...
Currently wifi is not reaching the studio.
What?!? But it's a Cakewalk product!!! So I have also wasted a night's sleep. I am none pleased. I really wish this info were made clear beforehand.
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Re: Kingston alert!!!
2015/11/27 16:46:24
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kevinwal
Here's to people who use their real names, well said.
If I cannot stand behind what I say / write, what does that make me? Not someone I would like to be, that is for sure... And thanks All the best.
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Re: Kingston alert!!!
2015/11/27 16:54:07
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jpetersen
Keni
Did I miss it?
Has anyone mentioned in this thread that Rapture Session cannot be authorized offline?
For now... It was a "waste" of my download efforts...
Currently wifi is not reaching the studio.
What?!? But it's a Cakewalk product!!!
So I have also wasted a night's sleep. I am none pleased.
I really wish this info were made clear beforehand.
Me too... Not that I need the synth, but I would have liked to check it out. I'll get to angry with the demo mode attributes so I'll wait... I'm sure they'll work out some way to deal with this and then the download will have been worth it... Unless there's an update to the player by then as the redundancy of downloading the synth with its supplied patches for the update might be necessary... Right now I'm stuck on my iPad and though the forum software allowed me to delete my current avatar (though I never saved the settings), it will not let me upload a new one... Miffed a bit...
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Re: Kingston alert!!!
2015/11/27 20:38:37
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Re: Kingston alert!!!
2015/11/27 22:06:45
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kevinwal
Here's to people who use their real names, well said.
Zargg71If I cannot stand behind what I say / write, what does that make me?
Not someone I would like to be, that is for sure...
And thanks
All the best.
Many people know my full name as originally I had it on display. I got trolled so much though in the end I had to take some (probably futile) evasive steps to remove it. I needed to protect myself. So thats my story.
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/11/27 22:21:37
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Re: Kingston alert!!!
2015/11/27 23:06:23
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Re: Kingston alert!!!
2015/11/28 00:06:52
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Doktor Avalanche
Please google 'STFU'.
So I did... Google it, I mean... And here are the results for STFU as an acronym: Star Trek Federation University Sir, That's Freakin' Ugly Samurai Training Finished Unsuccessfully Show Them Fury Unleashed Say, Thanks for Understanding Short-Term Follow-Up Southern Tenant Farmers' Union Special Task Force Unit Super Time Force Ultra Stop Trolling for Unicorns Of course it can also mean, Shut the Freak Up, and/or, Scrawny Two-Faced Underling... I suppose only the original poster knows his true intent? My bet is on: Say, Thanks For Understanding
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Re: Kingston alert!!!
2015/11/28 00:10:02
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kevinwal
Here's to people who use their real names, well said.
Zargg71If I cannot stand behind what I say / write, what does that make me?
Not someone I would like to be, that is for sure...
And thanks
All the best.
Many people know my full name as originally I had it on display. I got trolled so much though in the end I had to take some (probably futile) evasive steps to remove it. I needed to protect myself. So thats my story.
Plus I would think that perhaps for some/a lot maybe, it is a hang over from many years ago when a lot of people were still uncertain about things, the internet, privacy etc, also people who come from different 'areas', gamers or what have you where nick names/handles are the norm, could be many reasons why people choose the name they do, just because some one chooses to use their real name or not really has no bearing on their character, honesty or anything like that, if people think that way I feel sorry for them, if they think they are some how superior for displaying their real name I feel sorry for them. And I'm pretty sure Zargg71's real name is not Zargg71 Having said that I have no issues with using my real name.
post edited by Richard Cranium - 2015/11/28 00:23:42
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Re: Kingston alert!!!
2015/11/28 07:51:17
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Richard Cranium
Having said that I have no issues with using my real name.
Indeed! Oddly enough, people often use your real name when referring to me :)
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Re: Kingston alert!!!
2015/11/28 11:42:41
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Okay this is funny......i'm playing with my z3ta 2.2 problem and when i seen the "load program data error" i have used "ctrl alt canc"to stop the sonar process...bum the task manager was blocked!freezed!
This z3ta bug is very powerful :)
Never seen the task manager freez
Intel i7 3600,Asus Z170P,16 GIG Corsair ram,Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 i\o,Nektar Impact LX 49,Focusrite Liquid Mix,Monitors ADAM-K&H,Sonar Platinum Windows 10 SP1 Producer....more stuff in SStudio, Rome ,Italy.
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