jpetersen
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Kingston: Is ctrl+slip-edit bug fixed?
Could someone please try this in Kingston? I have slow, unreliable internet. It is easier with snap-to-grid turned off. 1) Record a few seconds of silence 2) Split the recorded clip in two parts with Alt and mouseclick, and then select the second clip. 3) In the track inspector, click on "Clip" and see that Snap Offset is "0" 4) Now press Ctrl, move the mouse to the right edge of the second clip (edge goes yellow) and drag it to make it a bit smaller. It is important to do this with Ctrl pressed. This shortens the clip without cropping the end. Did the Snap Offset value change? It should still be "0". Thanks.
post edited by jpetersen - 2015/12/02 06:38:29
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Re: Kingston: Is slip-edit bug fixed?
2015/11/29 19:16:26
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Just tried it. It not only changed the Snap Offset value but also introduced a gray unwanted vertical line in the second clip.
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jpetersen
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Re: Kingston: Is slip-edit bug fixed?
2015/11/29 19:53:07
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Thanks very much for taking the trouble. That's the one bug I really need fixed because this type of slip editing is part of my daily work routine - I shoehorn live-played performances to fit the timing grid. I registered the bug some months ago and hope it will be addressed in a future version soon.
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Re: Kingston: Is slip-edit bug fixed?
2015/11/30 14:54:07
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Interesting... I use Ctrl+Slip Edit fairly often but haven't run into this. Does it only happen after splitting an existing clip and using one half? If so, I'd bounce that clip first.
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jpetersen
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Re: Kingston: Is slip-edit bug fixed?
2015/11/30 16:54:13
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@stevec - Try it, the test is done quickly. Yes, it only applies to the second and subsequent clips so splitting is mandatory. It seems to be happening because the code is calculating the start from the underlying audio file instead of calculating from the position of the start of the clip itself. I base this assumption on the fact that Ctrl+Slip Editing the first clip works as expected. And normal slip-edit does not have this problem. Bouncing is destructive, meaning going back later to make adjustments is impossible.
post edited by jpetersen - 2015/11/30 17:06:09
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Re: Kingston: Is slip-edit bug fixed?
2015/12/01 12:51:45
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Oh, I believe it happens the way you've described. And I think you're probably correct in that the adjustment is based on the original wave file and not the portion displayed by the split clip. That's why I thought bouncing first might work because it's now a new wave file whose extents are represented by the (new) clip. I don't think I've ever needed to make adjustments to the original pre-split data once ctrl+slip editing an (what I'd consider) independent clip so never really thought about like that. Either way though, this sounds like a good one for the Problem Report forum!
post edited by stevec - 2015/12/01 13:03:27
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Re: Kingston: Is slip-edit bug fixed?
2015/12/01 17:29:34
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Looks like it can be reproduced with any clip where the start has been slip-edited; it doesn't have to have been split first. I wonder if it's related to the bug I posted here: http://forum.cakewalk.com/Slip-edit-moving-things-wrongly-m3230458.aspx That was a copied clip rather than a split one, but the underlying principle seems similar in that Snap Offset is changing when we wouldn't expect or want it to.
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Re: Kingston: Is slip-edit bug fixed?
2015/12/02 01:22:00
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I just did the test and can confirm what you are experiencing. Hmmm.
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Re: Kingston: Is slip-edit bug fixed?
2015/12/02 06:03:48
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Good catch. I am surprised I have not run into this issue myself. As someone else asked already - did you (OP) send in a bug report?
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jpetersen
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Re: Kingston: Is slip-edit bug fixed?
2015/12/02 07:25:52
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Yes, I reported it recently under [CWBRN-40003]But it goes way back to Sonar 8.5 and possibly earlier. Occasionally people report flaky grid snap behavior. This could be the cause of at least some of these reports.
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jpetersen
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Re: Kingston: Is slip-edit bug fixed?
2015/12/02 07:29:40
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Kylotan Looks like it can be reproduced with any clip where the start has been slip-edited; it doesn't have to have been split first. I wonder if it's related to the bug I posted here: http://forum.cakewalk.com/Slip-edit-moving-things-wrongly-m3230458.aspx That was a copied clip rather than a split one, but the underlying principle seems similar in that Snap Offset is changing when we wouldn't expect or want it to.
Ah, yes, you are right. It just needs a condition where the start of the clip does not coincide with the start of the audio file. Almost certainly same bug.
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Re: Kingston: Is slip-edit bug fixed?
2015/12/02 07:40:15
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Having examined your linked posting again, it kinda looks like Sonar is performing identical operations in (at least) two places and getting it right in one but wrong the other. If any Baker sees this, could there be some copy-paste coding? ("But I already checked the code and it works!!")
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Re: Kingston: Is slip-edit bug fixed?
2015/12/03 04:09:10
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Hi there:) I don't think it's a bug, cause the anchor point should not be 0 after slip editing, it should have the number of samples from the beginning of the first clip. If you cut the clip and do permanent cutting, then after slip editing the offset stays of course at "0". This is correct, and if you zoom in, you can see the clip isn't moving so all is OK! IMHO the offset of the 2nd clip should not be "0" after cutting, but after permanent cutting, or am I false?? Bassman.
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Re: Kingston: Is slip-edit bug fixed?
2015/12/03 06:44:23
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I think you're confusing the offset from the physical file to the start of the clip, with the snap offset (which has a visible representation and presumably determines how the clip snaps-to-grid). Conceptually these are 2 independent values, although practically there is obviously some sort of connection that is working in an unintuitive way and breaking some common workflow operations.
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Re: Kingston: Is slip-edit bug fixed?
2015/12/03 08:43:07
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Ups sorry! I wrote "Offset", but I meant the anchor Point!! Again: 1 Clip : Start at maybe bar 4.1.0 End 6.1.0 Anchor Point: 0 You cut it at 5.1.0 Anchor from both clips are: 0 When you Slip Edit Clip 2, it is a different clip in connection to clip 1, so the anchor point is now at 5.1.0, maybe 60 000, (don't know), at the beginning of clip 2! If you now do permanent cutting, the anchor point becomes 0 again, cause now they are 2 different clips. Perhaps my english is not good enough to declare, what I mean or maybe I'm totally wrong and it is a bug:) Greets;) Bassman.
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