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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ? 2015/12/06 18:41:55 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/09 18:22:25
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I would definitely tell myself not to get caught up in all the petty side issues and ego trips of being a guitar player  .
 
In the near future , good guitar players are gonna sprout like an invasion of sex crazed bunny rabbits and over populate the music business .   
Even keyboard players that can easily outplay the best of guitar players are gonna start using samples of well recorded guitars and get into the act .Get used to that Idea , learn from them all , and use it to your advantage .
 
Be open to learning something new and useful in music . Hopefully something new in music that will translate into a musical skill that you can enjoy doing , get good at and use to be of service to your fellow man & woman in music  .
 
 
 
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The funny thing in my case is that I would probably recommend myself not to put the guitar away as much as I did between 2001 and 2010, and to challenge myself to at least learn new things, even if that wasn't going to end up on tape.
 
Coming from a rock and metal background, the new millennium was a challenging place if you wanted to maintain artistic integrity. Ever since grunge, playing with any sort of virtuosity has been frowned upon in popular rock music. I feel that it goes on to this day - it's all about texture, and melodies are kept to a minimum. 
 
Unless you go full out "classic rock". But there's a cheesy aspect to that too. You can't exhibit serious rock star chops unless you mean it as a joke. 
 
The irony being that there is an endless supply of amazingly skilled kids out there, but all they seem to do is to show off in front of their web cam and upload it on the web. Okay, most of them exhibit an absolute lack of emotion, but, hey...
 
Me I felt I had reached a plateau. I wasn't hot enough to shred like the hairy dudes. OTOH, I couldn't pretend to be Kurt Cobain either. And everyone had been abusing the SRV/Hendrix thing for over a decade, which had also been my thing...
 
Anyway - using those new tools that are accessible to everyone today, I can honestly say that my playing has improved dramatically, even just in the last few months, whereas, I was stuck in the same place for over a decade. I could and should have challenged myself before...

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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ? 2015/12/06 19:21:14 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/09 18:22:13
Another point to add:
Don't take relationships for granted. We always get caught up in the moment like there is no tomorrow. 
Many times we are too much caught up in ourselves to recognize those around us that support our dreams. 
It's a bummer when we find out years later where the true friendships lie.

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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ? 2015/12/07 10:18:03 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/09 18:22:01
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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ? 2015/12/07 10:31:56 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/09 18:21:54
Blimey.  Probably something like, "Never, ever, on any account go down the DAW rabbit hole.  Everything after about 1986 with Atari Rainbow TOS and Cubase v2 just goes downhill, not in terms of functionality offered but in terms of the intuitiveness and MIDI editing features of the UI.  Seriously just don't.  You think the software was buggy then?  Just you wait...  Get a decent 8-track h/w recorder and a drum machine.  Forget all that VST stuff, all that will expand is your HDD storage requirements and your wallet will dry up and blow away."
 
But, I probably wouldn't listen.  I'd say, "wtf old man, you senile git shut up and make me a cup of tea already".  Or perhaps I'd make him a cup of tea.  For sure, tea would be drunk.
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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ? 2015/12/07 13:26:29 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/09 18:21:42
If we're veering off into general "career" stuff then I would definitely have to say...
 
"That one chick? RUN!!! RUN FAR FAR AWAY!! She... will... ruin... EVERYTHING!!!"
 
Same old story. Ugh.
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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ? 2015/12/07 15:01:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/09 18:21:35
1. Sell the Ibanez with the floating trem and get a fixed bridge guitar. I only say this because I had a serious sweating issue and rusted strings in days. The labor involved to change them on the Ibanez eventually caused me to take time from playing. Still have the Ibanez though, and still love it for what it is. :)
 
2. I was always more interested in experimenting than learning other people's songs. I would tell myself to learn TONS AND TONS of music from people I enjoy and admire. I should have spent a year doing nothing but learning songs.
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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ? 2015/12/07 18:57:46 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/09 18:21:18
I was a sax player many moons ago.  Haven't touched one in years. 
I would tell myself to pick it (the sax) back up and learn keys, computer and mixing like there's no tomorrow.
 
Although a producer friend of mine in Chicago told me to learn those things, I was slow and wasted a LOT of time. 
 
I would also tell myself to go practice, practice, practice.  One trick (or in my case, one take) ponies are soon gone. 
 
I would also tell myself, "learn the music business and then don't fall victim to it"...  and be ready for the computer revolution to totally change the way music is made. 
I've always believed that it's like riding a wave.  If you're slightly ahead of it, you'll ride it out fine.  If you're too far ahead, you'll only watch the others enjoy it.  If you're too far behind?  Well..
 

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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ? 2015/12/07 20:55:19 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/09 18:20:59
"Dude.  Don't listen to those guys.  If you like to top wrap your LP, top wrap your LP."

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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ? 2015/12/07 22:35:53 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/09 18:22:38
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If we're veering off into general "career" stuff then I would definitely have to say...
 
"That one chick? RUN!!! RUN FAR FAR AWAY!! She... will... ruin... EVERYTHING!!!"
 
Same old story. Ugh.




If only Lennon had gotten that message...

 
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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ? 2015/12/08 02:10:05 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/09 18:20:44
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Beepster
If we're veering off into general "career" stuff then I would definitely have to say...
 
"That one chick? RUN!!! RUN FAR FAR AWAY!! She... will... ruin... EVERYTHING!!!"
 
Same old story. Ugh.




If only Lennon had gotten that message...




Man, my practice wife was a horrid creature ...

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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ? 2015/12/08 05:11:06 (permalink)
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Don't sell those guitars in the 70's  ?
Stay analogue?
Tell EVERYONE that Napster will completely destroy the music industry  - for free !
Those PIA analogue synths might triple in value.
I occasionally get stuck with a disco song ringing out of some radio somewhere. As much as I still EyeRoll - damn if ain't nice to hear analogue tracking and real metered time.




Don't sell those guitars in the 70's   Yup by the time it was the early 80 's , I had gone through dozens of what people now consider to be highly prized vintage guitars …Oh well it was nice while it lasted ….
I don't know if I should say this here but I used to practice on the Blonde Super 400 CES w P 90's that Mark Knopfler  plays , it belonged to a buddy of mine back in the day 
 
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Either that , or buy those top brand name guitars new when you are young , and don't ever sell them until you are way too old to play them anymore .
 
Anyway I better shut up , I'm enjoying what you guys have to say and I don't want to mess up this thread by making cracks and quips .
 
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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ? 2015/12/08 10:15:51 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/09 18:20:32
Dear 1990 Dave:
 
Don't sell ANYTHING. Everything you've got is gonna increase in value. Yes, even those lame drum machines.
 


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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ? 2015/12/08 11:18:11 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/09 18:23:02
Hi,
 
I had an old friend, psychic that was NY Jewish and Sydney, Australian, and at the same time, I already had a massive collection of music, and he enjoyed the things that I played, and some that he thought were over blown (like Stivell's Celtic Symphony), and some that were awesome (Gismonti's No Caipira) and he said that the only thing I needed was 30 days in the hole with a synthesizer!
 
It never happened, unfortunately, and my love for music and living and dying with it in listening, did not translate into learning, and I was not able to pursue it until a couple of years later I saw a Bass Guitar and I wanted it (the cherry red EB-0 with the pegs backwards), but trying to learn it more and more proved tougher, and when I lived in a house with various musicians one of them got a nice little Korg, but the sounds and play did not click or turn me on. 35 years later I still have not gone to music full time, but I will as soon as work gets cut in half, or I retire, depending on my health. I'm hoping for half time/part time with no benefits.
 
All in all, considering how much music I live through and with, it is astonishing that I never learned more ... but a lot of it had to do with Portugal to Brazil at 9 years old, and parents not being able to afford anything, until we came to America, and by that time, at 15/16, other music's had taken up my mind, and learning music was not a primary desire or concern. But listening to all the new things was ... massive! And my first real chance to learn and grow!

Music is not about notes and chords! My poem is not about the computer or monitor or letters! It's about how I was able to translate it from my insides! 
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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ? 2015/12/08 12:14:56 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/09 18:20:23
I subscribed to Electronic Musician way back when...but it was a totally different rag then. This was enough to make me aware that: A. I couldn't afford those stacks of gear and keyboards in all of those articles and B. I wouldn't have known how to use it anyway.
 
I wouldn't change a thing. I bought a Korg M-1 and learned basic music composition with the sequencer in it. Later I bought a computer and made them talk to each other.
 
If I had been more financially well off I doubt I would have applied myself as much because I would have been looking more at the big picture instead of how things work at a  basic level. The idea of doing as much as you can with what you have was good for me, although at the time I hated it.
 
 Part of the fun was to try and move along with new developments.
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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ? 2015/12/09 09:53:52 (permalink)
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Unless you go full out "classic rock". But there's a cheesy aspect to that too. You can't exhibit serious rock star chops unless you mean it as a joke. 
...


I would just like to tie you up with Guru Guru and the Acid Mothers! A drummer behind you that will go circles around guitars, is not something that most people can enjoy for very long. (Mani)

Music is not about notes and chords! My poem is not about the computer or monitor or letters! It's about how I was able to translate it from my insides! 
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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ? 2015/12/09 10:47:20 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/09 18:20:11
If I had a time machine the last thing I'd be thinking about is music production...

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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ? 2015/12/09 15:51:24 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/12/09 18:23:19
"None of these tracks are done yet, so don't put them out yet." Haha. "Keep working on it!"

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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ? 2015/12/09 18:19:27 (permalink)
"Hey 1975 Bapu", I would say, "don't waste your time in those regret threads that show up on your favorite DAWs forum. It's a buzz kill."
 
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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ? 2015/12/09 19:54:59 (permalink)
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Unless you go full out "classic rock". But there's a cheesy aspect to that too. You can't exhibit serious rock star chops unless you mean it as a joke. 
...


I would just like to tie you up with Guru Guru and the Acid Mothers! A drummer behind you that will go circles around guitars, is not something that most people can enjoy for very long. (Mani)


What's that drummer doing?

 
post edited by Rimshot - 2015/12/09 20:07:07

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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ? 2015/12/09 19:56:23 (permalink)
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If I had a time machine the last thing I'd be thinking about is music production...


Best answer yet!

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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ? 2015/12/10 10:01:57 (permalink)
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I would also tell myself to go practice, practice, practice.  One trick (or in my case, one take) ponies are soon gone. 
...


As a director I would tell you this differently ... quantity is inversely proportional to quality ... and if you have to "practice that much, it usually means that your learning is not getting past the fingering (for example), or your concentration (another example).
 
This is one of the most important things I learned and taught in theater with actors learning lines ... you can learn 100 lines and deliver them within an hour or two with 100% concentration. You can not deliver these 100 hours within 2 or 3 days, without a good quality concentration, and guess where musicians fare weakly in MY EXPERIENCE ... they are too critical and STOP, just to say it's wrong! Pat yourself in the back. You are wrong!
 
But, if it is a physical thing, like muscle memory ... I don't know ... I can not see McGlothlin or Gismonti spending that much time on "muscle memory! They spend much more time listening to you and replying to it in their fingers, regardless of what it is in your "translation" of what notes they played! That is "instinct" for you!
post edited by Moshkito - 2015/12/10 10:22:59

Music is not about notes and chords! My poem is not about the computer or monitor or letters! It's about how I was able to translate it from my insides! 
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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ? 2015/12/10 13:11:57 (permalink)
Moshkito
 

As a director I would tell you this differently ... quantity is inversely proportional to quality ... and if you have to "practice that much, it usually means that your learning is not getting past the fingering (for example), or your concentration (another example).
..........
 
 
But, if it is a physical thing, like muscle memory ... I don't know ... I can not see McGlothlin or Gismonti spending that much time on "muscle memory! They spend much more time listening to you and replying to it in their fingers, regardless of what it is in your "translation" of what notes they played! That is "instinct" for you!




 
People like McLaughlin don't become as proficient as they are without hours and hours, days, weeks, months and years of practising. They learned those dreaded notes, and scales and modes and chords and inversions. Inside out and backwards. They had to.
 
It's after all that that they can combine instinct with technique. McLaughlin studied piano and violin as a child. He was a session guitarist for a long time before he became well known, like many other virtuoso players.

 
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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ? 2015/12/10 13:13:56 (permalink)
Gizmo?

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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ? 2015/12/10 13:23:24 (permalink)
Godley & Crème?

 
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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ? 2015/12/10 13:55:15 (permalink)
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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ? 2015/12/11 01:07:12 (permalink)
note to Kenny from the past , timeline target 7 hours ago ,
It was great that you spent an hour typing up posts to reply to the people you quoted because you wanted to stay in the loop and rap with people. You did good there Kid . Where you went terribly wrong was you had gotten the idea to go fetch a cup of coffee  to sip while you made sure your post contained  what you wanted to say .
Little did you know that you are gonna accidentally spill coffee on your USB i Mac  keyboard and wipe yourself totally out of the game ...
Then you are gonna go to the store and spend up what little bit of chump change you have to play with on a replacement 2nd rate USB replacement keyboard ...once you get it home you will find out that it was a total POS so you are gonna use it only to shut down your computer . Then you are gonna walk Duke a mile to the Office Depot store and return the keyboard for a refund on your CC. Having pulled a good save on your cash you will go home and put your computer in it's box to sit there until you figure out what you want to do about it ..
Then your gonna have a cup of coffee at the kitchen table where most people drink their coffee and when you get done with that . You are gonna wire up your Windows lap top and start all over ...
 
Anyway I'll be back and I have enjoyed your posts
 
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post edited by kennywtelejazz - 2015/12/11 01:20:37

                   
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Re: What would you tell your old self about Music Production if you had a Time Machine ? 2015/12/11 02:47:48 (permalink)
 Oops..sorry to hear that Kenny, welcome back

 
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