magik570
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Is it necessary to upgrade to Windows 10 for Sonar?
I would rather stick with Windows 8. But I am not sure if I will be missing out a lot.
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Re: Is it necessary to upgrade to Windows 10 for Sonar?
April 20, 16 1:27 PM
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It is not necessary for SONAR, but Windows 10 is much better then Windows 8. And at the moment you get it free. I have updatet all my PCs and laptops.
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magik570
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Re: Is it necessary to upgrade to Windows 10 for Sonar?
April 20, 16 1:41 PM
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THambrecht It is not necessary for SONAR, but Windows 10 is much better then Windows 8. And at the moment you get it free.
Will any part of Sonar not function properly in Windows 10 environment? You know how it goes when you make a change in your system and then you spend next few days tweaking to get your DAW in a good mood.
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Re: Is it necessary to upgrade to Windows 10 for Sonar?
April 20, 16 1:48 PM
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☄ Helpfulby magik570 April 20, 16 2:26 PM
I upgraded to windows 10 a long time ago and have had no problems whatsoever.
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Re: Is it necessary to upgrade to Windows 10 for Sonar?
April 20, 16 2:54 PM
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cowboydan I upgraded to windows 10 a long time ago and have had no problems whatsoever.
Same here (or hear if you wish).
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Re: Is it necessary to upgrade to Windows 10 for Sonar?
April 20, 16 3:03 PM
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☄ Helpfulby FCCfirstclass April 20, 16 4:58 PM
I held off on upgrading to Windows 10 from W7 because "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." I regret not upgrading sooner, because SONAR is really snappy with W10. I also like W10 better. You might as well upgrade. If you don't like it, you have 30 days in which you can roll back to what you were using before.
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Re: Is it necessary to upgrade to Windows 10 for Sonar?
April 20, 16 3:10 PM
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After July 29th, 2016 the upgrade will no longer be free.
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Re: Is it necessary to upgrade to Windows 10 for Sonar?
April 20, 16 3:23 PM
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Either way, you'll be fine. It works well under both Windows 8 or Windows 10.
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Re: Is it necessary to upgrade to Windows 10 for Sonar?
April 20, 16 4:13 PM
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Hmm, this thread has got me thinking. I've been humming along with 8.5, but due to stability issues I will be upgrading to Sonar Pro soon. I'm still on W7, and am determined not to upgrade to 10 because; well, I have my reasons but they're irrelevant here. My plan is to stay with W7 Pro, maybe forever. So, how long into the future will Sonar support W7? Would I have to stop updating at some point, so my version of Sonar doesn't get "ahead" of my W7? Or should I bite the bullet at least on my music computer, and get W10, continuing to use Linux for everything else?
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Re: Is it necessary to upgrade to Windows 10 for Sonar?
April 20, 16 4:28 PM
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Standard W7 support is over. Extended support to 2019 (IIRC). I would upgrade to W10 prior to July 2016 when the freebie ends. The spyware phone home thing is very much overblown for W10 if that is your concern. I upgraded W8.1 in place to W10 and had no issues whatsover. W8.1 is faster than W7. W10 is faster than W8.1.
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Re: Is it necessary to upgrade to Windows 10 for Sonar?
April 20, 16 4:34 PM
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michael diemer So, how long into the future will Sonar support W7?
Historically Cakewalk has supported their software on an OS as long as the MS compiler and libs allow them to do so.
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Re: Is it necessary to upgrade to Windows 10 for Sonar?
April 20, 16 4:39 PM
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The awnser is no. or; if it works dont fix it. F.
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Re: Is it necessary to upgrade to Windows 10 for Sonar?
April 20, 16 4:44 PM
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No problems running Splat on Win 10 (or Sound Forge, Vegas or any other A/V program). Win 10 is very nice.
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Re: Is it necessary to upgrade to Windows 10 for Sonar?
April 20, 16 6:02 PM
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh April 21, 16 9:43 AM
At first, I was very reluctant to go from Win 8 to Win 10 on my only Windows computer at the time . During the weekend of Black Friday I went out and got a mid spec lap top w Win 10 64 pre installed . I'm glad I did that since there was a genuine need for me to have a Windows OS beater box computer as a back up . After letting the pre installed Win 10 do it's updating thing I put SPlat on this humble lap top … I was shocked at how much better SPlat ran on this computer using all my same hardware … It ran circles around my Win 8 64 computer that had more ram and was higher spec … There was plenty of time left for me to decide if I wanted to update from Win 8 to Win 10 , so I ran them both separately for a few months .. SPlat on Win 8 VS Splat on Win 10 …They both used all the same external hardware (swapping only the lap tops ).. Now I'm not trying to be scientific and all , Yet , I could not ignore the fact that SPlat in Win 10 was out outperforming SPlat in Win 8 using duplicate projects all across the board except when I brought my Win 10 computer to a choke point .. I was OK w that since the Win 10 lap top was Lower spec / less ram …. About 2 months ago my Win 8 computer got upgraded to Win 10 …..I'm much happier all across the board … all the best, Kenny
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Re: Is it necessary to upgrade to Windows 10 for Sonar?
April 20, 16 7:46 PM
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh April 21, 16 9:43 AM
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Re: Is it necessary to upgrade to Windows 10 for Sonar?
April 20, 16 8:21 PM
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I have an SSL alpha link and MX4 sound card (Soundscape) that only officially support Windows 7. I'm also very afraid of the upgrade for fear of needing to re-enter, verify, and update many 3rd party programs. I have about 50 program codes I don't want to have to go through again. If something does not work with Windows 10, going backwards will require a re-format and go through the install process again........days of work. So I will resist the upgrade for as long as possible.
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Re: Is it necessary to upgrade to Windows 10 for Sonar?
April 20, 16 9:13 PM
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bapu After July 29th, 2016 the upgrade will no longer be free.
I used Acronis True image to backup my Win 7 systems before I upgraded to Windows 10. I had some stability issues with Sonar on one of my laptops after a forced windows update, no doubt due to driver issues (yes - I have the latest drivers). I simply backed up the windows 10 installation, then reloaded the windows 7 image (which takes 3 mouse clicks and about 15mins to load my entire system using Acronis) This way you have the best of both worlds - you can use win 7 for as long as you like/need, but have taken advantage of the free win 10 update and can reload it at your leisure:) FWIW I find that win 7, 8 and 10 all run Sonar just fine. Personally, I am a big fan of a stable, unchanging, offline studio system that I only update as required. The constant and compulsory updates on win 10 are a bit of an annoyance (I have it running on my media server and have had issues on 2 occasions). No doubt this will improve over time. I understand however that my experience is a statistically insignificant study of one and not typical on the forum where there are many very happy campers on win 10 :)
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Re: Is it necessary to upgrade to Windows 10 for Sonar?
April 20, 16 10:24 PM
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elegentdrum I have an SSL alpha link and MX4 sound card (Soundscape) that only officially support Windows 7. I'm also very afraid of the upgrade for fear of needing to re-enter, verify, and update many 3rd party programs. I have about 50 program codes I don't want to have to go through again. If something does not work with Windows 10, going backwards will require a re-format and go through the install process again........days of work. So I will resist the upgrade for as long as possible.
FWIW you don't have to wipe your drive to upgrade to Windows 10. I did an in-place update and aside from re-authorizing Addictive Drums and reloading the TASCAM and Roland interface drivers, that was it. Anything that was tied to the hard drive didn't care there was a different OS, and of course anything with iLok didn't care. Upgrading to Windows 10 was by far the most painless Windows upgrade I've ever done. It was easier than going from Mavericks to El Capitan on the Mac. Of course you should do what you want to do, all I can describe is my own experience.
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Re: Is it necessary to upgrade to Windows 10 for Sonar?
April 20, 16 10:28 PM
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Is it necessary to upgrade to Windows 10 for Sonar? necessary = no inevitable = yes free Win 10 upgrade before July 2016 = yes free Win 10 upgrade after July 2016 = no - just make sure your audio interface drivers are all compatible ! - there are many positive Win 10 reports about audio being better - there are many negative Win 10 reports about new OS details being questionable, more intrusive etc . . . - if you have a flawless back-up plan, you could keep using Win 7 for many years into the future - from what I've read online, after the year 2020, your flawless Win 7 back-up plan will begin to breakdown - at some point, if you want all the latest Cakewalk improvements / fixes . . . you will need to keep up
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Re: Is it necessary to upgrade to Windows 10 for Sonar?
April 20, 16 10:38 PM
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noynekker - there are many negative Win 10 reports about new OS details being questionable, more intrusive etc . . .
There are plenty of places on the web that tell you how to disable that kind of stuff. I haven't bothered, but the info is out there if you want it. By NOT opting out, I get a cool new desktop picture every now and then...
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Re: Is it necessary to upgrade to Windows 10 for Sonar?
April 20, 16 10:50 PM
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Anderton
noynekker - there are many negative Win 10 reports about new OS details being questionable, more intrusive etc . . .
There are plenty of places on the web that tell you how to disable that kind of stuff. I haven't bothered, but the info is out there if you want it. By NOT opting out, I get a cool new desktop picture every now and then...
. . . agreed, but only if you have the time and fortitude for such research . . . for those of us who haven't done the upgrade to Win 10, we depend on all of you "Win 10 pioneers" to let us know whether it's really worth going there right away, or maybe wait a bit until we upgrade some stuff we are currently running on Win 7 . . . been burned before . . . "won't get fooled again"
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Re: Is it necessary to upgrade to Windows 10 for Sonar?
April 20, 16 10:53 PM
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Re: Is it necessary to upgrade to Windows 10 for Sonar?
April 20, 16 10:59 PM
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Thanks Craig, your link provided seems like it will be a helpful read . . . bookmarked
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Re: Is it necessary to upgrade to Windows 10 for Sonar?
April 21, 16 1:20 AM
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I'm having this problem while running sonar after upgrading to win 10 which is really annoying. http://forum.cakewalk.com...ng-Sonar-m3398966.aspxThere are things I love abt win 10 and hate abt win 10. You might find something like WinareoTweaker useful to customize the things you dont like. But its definitely worth a free upgrade. Don't clean install at first. Try to update directly so that you can revert back to Win7 within 1month. If you really wanted to. Mostly you won't. But to be safe dont clean install.
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Re: Is it necessary to upgrade to Windows 10 for Sonar?
April 21, 16 3:29 AM
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i would say if there is no currently known issue with your hardware/software being compatible with windows 10 to just go for it. as others have said the upgrade whether it is in place upgrade or from scratch was painless. for me everything worked fine, actually better than before on windows 7 pro. i never wanted to leave windows 7 pro but now i wouldn't want to go back. sonar should be more than fine in my experience and by the majority of reports, of course there can be exceptions. i done 3 in place upgrades and 1 from scratch where i purchased a copy of windows 10 from microsoft because i brought my test pc which was running 32bit windows 7 but 64bit capable up to 64bit OS. in place upgrade is of course much easier as everything else, your programs etc don't need installing and setting up as it is with a fresh install Anderton
I get a cool new desktop picture every now and then...
and aren't there some beautiful pics. i copy the contents of C:\Users\ user name\AppData\Local\Packages\Microsoft.Windows.ContentDeliveryManager_cw5n1h2txyewy\LocalState\Assets every week or so to save the ones i like and change my wallpaper when i come across a nicer one i would not hesitate doing the upgrade to windows 10
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Re: Is it necessary to upgrade to Windows 10 for Sonar?
April 21, 16 8:03 AM
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Upgrading your OS to Win 10 shouldn't be a problem whichever route you take. The big caveat is to make sure there are Win 10 drivers for your hardware - your Audio Interface might not function properly (if at all) without a suitable driver.
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Re: Is it necessary to upgrade to Windows 10 for Sonar?
April 21, 16 9:19 AM
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I did it basically to see if my interface would work in new OS. M-audio 1010lt, old legacy device. Win 10 ran off with win 7 drivers. No issues. But, this was a 'have to find out' situation. The inevitable change will have to happen eventually. MJ
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Re: Is it necessary to upgrade to Windows 10 for Sonar?
April 21, 16 9:56 AM
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If you are wondering on the 2019 and 2020 things that people are talking about, that's when Microsoft ends Windows 7 support. Microsoft supports all OSes for a minimum of 10 years from the date they are released. So barring any extensions (which happen but are rare) support ends January 14 2020. After that date it will receive no security or other updates. That means, of course, that using it online becomes dangerous because sooner or later a security flaw will be found and it won't be patched. Also when MS discontinues support for an OS, hardware and software manufacturers basically all do as well, and won't take support calls for you if you are running it. However as a practical matter support from 3rd parties often dies out before the actual end date of the OS. Vista is still supported by MS and will be until 2017, but it is very common to see things not support it anymore. That is beginning to happen with 7 as well. We have gotten some new computers at work from Dell and Lenovo that do not have 7 drivers available, they are 8 and up only. Newer CPUs also need newer OSes as architecture differences aren't supported on older ones. So while you can keep an OS for awhile, keeping it forever is more or less unfeasible unless you wish to operate a computer disconnected from the Internet and never upgrade any hardware or software.
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Re: Is it necessary to upgrade to Windows 10 for Sonar?
April 21, 16 11:48 AM
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I'm currently running Windows 7 and plan to upgrade to 10. My machine has been tweeked to perfection and has not caused me any issues since I bought it. After upgrading, is there anything you have to re-tweek or turn off or turn off again? Anything to be cautious about?
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Re: Is it necessary to upgrade to Windows 10 for Sonar?
April 21, 16 12:30 AM
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☄ Helpfulby Sooperbohl April 21, 16 3:07 PM
I don't bother with much tweaking personally, I prefer the "just throw more power at it" procedure :). If you want to tweak for DAWs it is the same basic thing as any Windows: Disable any low power settings for the CPU and video card, shut down any unnecessary background tasks, etc. I personally don't bother. I can drop my DPC and ISR latency, and thus get down the latency in Sonar, by disabling power options but it makes my system draw a lot more power at idle, so I'll keep the power states and just turn up the buffers. Only real thing to be cautious about is compatibility. Sometimes hardware isn't happy with Windows 10 so if you have hardware that isn't, it can be a problem. A lot of it works fine with older drivers, but sometimes it doesn't. Also be aware that while we've had very good luck with upgrade installs at work, they can have issues sometimes and necessitate a wipe and reinstall, so make sure you are prepared to do that if necessary. Don't be in the middle of a project and say "Oh I'll update in a couple hours and then continue."
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