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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/26 11:42:18 (permalink)
When I was a kid in the 70's in Newcastle nobody had cable or satellite TV and wouldn't really start getting hooked up until the late 80's. But on the council estate where my grandmother lived, they had something called Rediffusion. What this meant was that you had a dial on your wall, like this: 
 

 
And that was your "remote." This was back in the days before everyone had a remote, so it seemed quite luxurious to be able to reach over to the wall to change channels instead of having to walk over to the TV. Of course if your sofa wasn't anywhere near the wall, it was six and two threes. I don't think all the positions on the dial were TV - some of them were radio stations. I certainly don't remember my gran having any more than the 3 terrestrial TV stations available by antenna at the time. It was basically the same crap everyone else got but through a wire and hence better signal quality. I guess back then, not having to adjust an aerial was considered luxury. 
 
But yeah, visits to granny's house were like stepping into the future because of that TV dial on the wall, how sad 
 

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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/26 11:48:36 (permalink)
I have a company where they offer very low rates for new subscribers too.  I did what a friend suggested...and which he did also.  You just call them up and tell them you're canceling because the rates are too high.  They cut ours in half immediately for the next year. Down under $100/month for basic cable, land line phone and internet.

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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/26 18:31:40 (permalink)
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I wish Google hadn't purchased Youtube, because their ads and pop-ups are equally annoying.
At least with the small ones on the actual video display, they can be clicked off with the 'x' in the corner once the clip starts.
 

 
Just install AdBlocker to your browser, video ads will become a thing of the past. 
 


Thanks for the reminder there Sharke.
 
I think I did that once before, but IIRC it didn't work for YouTube videos.
But I'm not really sure, so I'll have to try it again.
 



 
 
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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/27 10:29:02 (permalink)
I'm currently trying out this one: Adblock for Youtube. It's a Chrome extension.
 
It seems to be working, although I'm still wondering how it can tell an ad from normal content. I mean, most of the videos related to music software are in fact ads. Even the ones I might intentionally seek out and recommend.
 
 


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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/28 02:57:41 (permalink)
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I have a company where they offer very low rates for new subscribers too.  I did what a friend suggested...and which he did also.  You just call them up and tell them you're canceling because the rates are too high.  They cut ours in half immediately for the next year. Down under $100/month for basic cable, land line phone and internet.


Hi mixmkr-


I think I'll try that, since I rent and can't install an antenna.
 
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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/28 09:37:04 (permalink)
Susan, if you live in an urban area you can get plenty of channels with a small antenna that requires no permanent installation or holes through the wall.
 
Mine is a little square piece of plastic that I simply set on the windowsill. It cost $39. There are both passive and active (amplified) versions, but in the city the passive ones actually do better. I get 18 channels with it, including all four of the local network affiliates so I can watch the news on Fox and then switch over to NBC to find out what really happened. 


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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/28 13:14:14 (permalink)
My antennae sits on my balcony and I can point it in different directions to get different channels. I get all the national broadcasters and PBS for my daily info and Netflix for the movies and shows. The signal from the airwaves is much better than any cable signal I've had and allows for some fun. I don't know if it's a built in time delay or just the nature of cable but I get my signal faster than my buddy on cable. We both watch hockey and I see the events about 5-10 seconds before he does. If only I could monetize that slight advantage. 

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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/29 10:27:46 (permalink)
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Susan, if you live in an urban area you can get plenty of channels with a small antenna that requires no permanent installation or holes through the wall.
 
Mine is a little square piece of plastic that I simply set on the windowsill. It cost $39. There are both passive and active (amplified) versions, but in the city the passive ones actually do better. I get 18 channels with it, including all four of the local network affiliates so I can watch the news on Fox and then switch over to NBC to find out what really happened. 


Hi Dave-
 
That's good to know. This is a distinctly non-urban area ;), but maybe I'll try an amplified version. My only experience with antennas since the old rabbit ears type is the little wire attached to clock radios which basically do nothing. 
I can watch the news on Fox and then switch over to NBC to find out what really happened.


 
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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2015/12/30 01:02:56 (permalink)
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...so I can watch the news on Fox and then switch over to NBC to find out what really happened... 


Hahaha!  I love it! 



 
 
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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2016/01/01 22:51:38 (permalink)
For my fellow Canadians, [and of course, others], I found a site with lot's of info about all these things and much more.
It primarily caters to the entire Canadian TV, Phone and Internet industry, and where it's heading, including over the air, free from the air, satellites, internet TV, ISPs, etc. but there is some info that pertains to the US as well.
 
There's much to learn and I've been reading there for about a week now on this and other related subjects.
 
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/



 
 
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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2016/01/02 10:34:26 (permalink)
We dumped our landline quite some time ago. We dropped cable tv and now use cable for internet only. We have some interior antennae, but we're near the edge of the broadcast reception area, so reception is bad on the first floor and iffy on the second. We use Netflix, Hulu+, CBS and iTunes (AppleTV) primarily. If there's a show we can't get due to proprietary cable contracts (thank you, BBC America and SyFy channels), we either wait until it's available on Netflix a year later or buy the season pass on iTunes. 
 
With Hulu+ ($4 extra per month) ads are skipped. We tried it for a month to see if it was worth the extra money, and we won't go back. We dropped Amazon Prime just because it wasn't getting that much use. Even though we have to use different apps/services for different shows, we don't feel that we've lost anything and our monthly bill is substantially lower. Instead of having stuff on the DVR in case we want to watch something, we now have to look for something we specifically want to see. It means that we waste less time watching stuff we don't care about. We avoid most commercials (CBS needs to get with the program), and we don't feel like we're missing anything.
 
If I had another option for broadband internet besides cable, I would have strongly considered it. In our neighborhood, capitalism is illegal, so local government will only allow us one service provider. 
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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2016/01/02 11:18:03 (permalink)
The good news, UB, is that Sharknado 3 will be available on Netflix.


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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2016/01/03 17:47:53 (permalink)
I guess, I'm the outlier. But, I have zero issues with commercials. They don't bother me. Now, my cable bill? That's a whole other issue. thinking of cutting the cord, building my own DVR and going on my way. 
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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2016/01/03 18:05:07 (permalink)

 
Just too much?

 
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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2016/01/03 18:07:07 (permalink)
No "cable tv" here for several years... still have comcast but ONLY for internet (only other choice is att which is worse).  It's $70 / mo...
 
RCA powered antenna in the attic for local stuff (~ 20 channels) and Netflix thru the internet (Roku).  NetTalk (voip) for a cheap (~$40 a year) landline phone.
 
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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2016/01/04 09:25:55 (permalink)
Since I am not a big tv junkie , and live in the country, I erected a nice aerial system and receive OTA HD tv, with lots of local news weather etc and plenty of classic  tv programs.
 
I visited a cable tv provider forum once(dsl-reports) and broached the issue about new people getting 1/2 off internet rates while existing customers get shafted, and was set upon by the cable fanbois who said cable was just taking a "loss" to hook new users, and I said bulls**t,needless to say thats the view and we cant change it. You can play the jump around game, by waiting out a year and reapplying for "new" lower rates by switching around providers, but its not worth the hassle, is it?
I still have a POTS landline since I have an alarm system, but may weigh switching to a cell based add on to the alarm and rid myself of the landline, since I have, a cell phone, they have kept going up on my land line from 18 a month to 33 now with NO packages.

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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2016/01/04 11:43:03 (permalink)
Haven't watched 'live' TV for years.  I am often reminded as to how good a decision that was.  Pretty much the only 'live broadcast' stuff I watch these days is available for free on Twitch and doesn't involve vets or Simon bloody Cowell.  Also, the rain channel is almost always available from any of the windows in my house :-)
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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2016/01/04 18:31:07 (permalink)
Right Ston. I forgot about the rain channel - that's a free one here too. 



 
 
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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2016/01/04 22:15:29 (permalink)
@ "jimusic"....
 
Keep in mind that Canada has new regulations that go in effect at some point in 2016. Basic cable service (local TV and whatever the company wishes to include) cannot cost more than $25, and every single channel will be available a la carte. Bundles can be offered - but not forced.
 
The problem is - the CRTC is terrible at implementing these types of things. I suspect six additional channels will end up costing more than 6 bundles. 

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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2016/01/04 23:23:17 (permalink)
Right - yes, I've just found that out over the last few days.
 
Some of it has to be in place by March 2016, and all of it by Dec 2016.



 
 
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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2016/01/04 23:39:13 (permalink)
A friend of mine turned me on to this guy: http://freetvee.com/ It's a pretty elegant solution. My Comcast bill is now $50/mo vs. the $212/mo that I was paying. I bought my own modem and router so I'm not renting any equipment. He built me a media PC with the internet connection and an antennae connected to it. I use Ooma for voip phone and it costs $8/mo. The only thing that I miss is ESPN during football season but Sling TV has a package that includes it. I figure the savings will pay for the equipment in no time and I have something to show for it.
 
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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2016/01/05 08:31:09 (permalink)
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A friend of mine turned me on to this guy: http://freetvee.com/ It's a pretty elegant solution. My Comcast bill is now $50/mo vs. the $212/mo that I was paying. I bought my own modem and router so I'm not renting any equipment. He built me a media PC with the internet connection and an antennae connected to it. I use Ooma for voip phone and it costs $8/mo. The only thing that I miss is ESPN during football season but Sling TV has a package that includes it. I figure the savings will pay for the equipment in no time and I have something to show for it.
 
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from what i read(I may be wrong) those streams are hosted by offshore servers, it will just be a matter of time until the DRM people shut those streams down somehow?

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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2016/01/05 09:44:25 (permalink)
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The problem is - the CRTC is terrible at implementing these types of things. I suspect six additional channels will end up costing more than 6 bundles. 



This is the part that is hard on cable, and will create problems later ... for example, ESPN is about 6 channels and to get ESPN, you have to put them on Expanded and make it "free", and not on a paid tier. Their other 5 divisions can be placed on any tier.
 
Problem number 2 ... they are owned by Disney ... and if you take out ESPN, you will lose Disney, or the price of the Disney channel just went up ... and ESPN/Disney are the two most expansive ones. They also have the greatest pull on cable, because they think they are bigger than the world.
 
I doubt this would be different in Canada, because Disney/Espn could easily say ... who needs Canada!
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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2016/01/05 12:55:08 (permalink)
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The problem is - the CRTC is terrible at implementing these types of things. I suspect six additional channels will end up costing more than 6 bundles. 
 

Yes, that's our biggest problem - the CRTC ostensibly claims to be looking out for the viewers/subscriber/customers, but at the end of the day, it seems to be only 'at the permission' of the big 3 here - Bell, Rogers and Shaw.
Those who have really looked into it, have seen that the 'governing body' of the CRTC is really governed by those players who are so big now, they couldn't fail even if they tried.
 
Kind of reminds me of the whole financial scandal crisis of 2008 on Wall street.
Instead of anyone going to prison, the CEOs received record bonuses - and government bailouts - all at the tax payer's expense.
 
But I digress.
 
Moshkito
...I doubt this would be different in Canada, because Disney/Espn could easily say ... who needs Canada!...


That's yet another thing. With Canada being just over only 10% of the population of America, it's hardly worth the bother for many [most] US companies.
 
As it is, they are many channels and other things that we simply don't get here. The big 3 control those tighter than a prison, and the CRTC does nothing about it.
 
The biggest dollars pull the tightest strings, it seems. What else is new, right?
 
I read on some other sites, that Canadians pay way too much and much more than countries in Europe for TV, Internet, and cell phone service.
 
And with our dollar now slipping [again] to just 70% of the American dollar, we pay much more for almost everything.
Even our gas costs more, even though we produce plenty and ship a lot of it to America cheaper than what we have to pay for it here. 
 
But I digress yet again.
 
 



 
 
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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2016/01/05 19:23:49 (permalink)
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A friend of mine turned me on to this guy: http://freetvee.com/ It's a pretty elegant solution. My Comcast bill is now $50/mo vs. the $212/mo that I was paying. I bought my own modem and router so I'm not renting any equipment. He built me a media PC with the internet connection and an antennae connected to it. I use Ooma for voip phone and it costs $8/mo. The only thing that I miss is ESPN during football season but Sling TV has a package that includes it. I figure the savings will pay for the equipment in no time and I have something to show for it.
 
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from what i read(I may be wrong) those streams are hosted by offshore servers, it will just be a matter of time until the DRM people shut those streams down somehow?




I'm confused and have some questions. What did you read? Who said anything about streaming? Who are the DRM guys and what are they going to shut down. How did these offshore servers get involved? Are you suggesting that I'm doing something illegal or underhanded, how did you get that from what I posted?
 
I'm only watching TV through the airwaves with an antennae. I do stream Netflix, Pandora and rent the movies from Amazon sometimes.
 
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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2016/01/07 14:21:52 (permalink)
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A friend of mine turned me on to this guy: http://freetvee.com/ It's a pretty elegant solution. My Comcast bill is now $50/mo vs. the $212/mo that I was paying. I bought my own modem and router so I'm not renting any equipment. He built me a media PC with the internet connection and an antennae connected to it. I use Ooma for voip phone and it costs $8/mo. The only thing that I miss is ESPN during football season but Sling TV has a package that includes it. I figure the savings will pay for the equipment in no time and I have something to show for it.
 
Rocky


from what i read(I may be wrong) those streams are hosted by offshore servers, it will just be a matter of time until the DRM people shut those streams down somehow?




I'm confused and have some questions. What did you read? Who said anything about streaming? Who are the DRM guys and what are they going to shut down. How did these offshore servers get involved? Are you suggesting that I'm doing something illegal or underhanded, how did you get that from what I posted?
 
I'm only watching TV through the airwaves with an antennae. I do stream Netflix, Pandora and rent the movies from Amazon sometimes.
 
Rocky
 
 




 
No your not doing anything illegal, this particular company appears to sell a PC optimized for media playback plus an outdoor tv antenna, so you receive OTA HD transmissions, which are free , plus something akin to ROKU with free channels  built into the PC for the internet content delivery.
they just take all the work out of putting together a system.
Now what i was referring to re jailbroke Amazon sticks with KODI, which DO receive pay content free,which are a little shady, I dont think this freetv thing does that, so ur ok
AFA streaming just about any internet media content is a stream, you tube is a stream, hula, amazon, etc
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Re: Internet and Cable TV costs way too much now. Any better options? 2016/01/07 14:36:39 (permalink)
From reviewing much of their site, it seems they make their money mostly on giving advice for the best setup for you - to be as OTA as possible - plus the sale of the optimized computers, if you want to buy one.
 
They give a first consultation free, but after that you pay for any further advice.
 
My guess is that the initial consultation is fairly short and limited.



 
 
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