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Re: A NEW PROBLEM WITH SONAR X1 PRODUCER
2016/01/01 11:38:48
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Piece of cake. I do this on live recordings, and THERE the drift can be BAD. I have to go section-by-section. But your Tyros probably is just a bit slower. Does the song end at a definite point or does it fade out? If it ends at a definite point, trim the end of the clip to be exactly on the end of the last bar. Even with all of the autoaccomp playing at once, the downbeat should be clearly visible. Go one bar beyond that. Next, if the Tyros is slower, shrink the track. If it is faster, stretch the track.
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Re: A NEW PROBLEM WITH SONAR X1 PRODUCER
2016/01/01 11:44:51
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Many thanks. What I do is record a general backing first as a guide, then add individual instruments one at a time (eventually losing the full auto accomp). I will definitely try what you suggest, but as I record each instrument individually, I am not at all clear that this method will ever be exact enough for what I require. My attempts so far suggest that the pinpoint accuracy I have always enjoyed will be a thing of the past. Does anyone know why my Tyros has SUDDENLY slowed down? Why now? And is it possible for me to adjust any settings within Tyros to put it right?
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Re: A NEW PROBLEM WITH SONAR X1 PRODUCER
2016/01/01 12:12:23
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I think you are saying it's in time and then over a short period of time one tempo will change causing the whole thing to go out of sync. A simple stretch will only work when the tempo difference is constant. It seems to me that either Sonar is "hickupping" or the Tyros is. Have you tried playing with the Tyros for an extended period of time, listening for hickups? How are you monitoring when you're recording? Through Sonar or directly from the Tyros?
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Re: A NEW PROBLEM WITH SONAR X1 PRODUCER
2016/01/01 12:14:25
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It seems that the Tyros 2 is no longer in time, albeit fractionally. But I don't know how to correct this.
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Re: A NEW PROBLEM WITH SONAR X1 PRODUCER
2016/01/01 12:16:46
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If that really is the case it's time for the repair shop I'm afraid.
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Re: A NEW PROBLEM WITH SONAR X1 PRODUCER
2016/01/01 12:19:07
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jpetersen
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Re: A NEW PROBLEM WITH SONAR X1 PRODUCER
2016/01/01 12:27:25
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Let's see how much your Tyros' timer is out by. This assumes the Tyros clock is running slow or fast. If it really is fluctuating, this won't help much. 1. Find the simplest beat you have. Best a rock 4/4. Set the rhythm to 120bpm. 2. Record 17 bars. 3. As accurately as you can, trim the beginning to the first bar. Zoom in as much as you need. 4. Visually count across 16 bars, zoom in to the first beat of the 17th bar and put the Now cursor on this first beat. 5. Go to Project > Set Measure/Beat at Now... 6. Enter Measure (17th measure) and beat (1st beat) 7. Hit OK and the beat displayed in Sonar is the actual tempo. For more accuracy, record more measures. If you have access to an electronic metronome, set that to 120, start both and see if the one catches up and passes the other. Could be the electronics in the Tyros is faulty, although it really should have a crystal, so that is worrying.
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Re: A NEW PROBLEM WITH SONAR X1 PRODUCER
2016/01/01 12:42:34
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Is the meter (time signature) the same all the way through?
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Re: A NEW PROBLEM WITH SONAR X1 PRODUCER
2016/01/01 12:42:59
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Okay: just to make sure... I am looking for the first beat of bar 17? (Yes, I will never win an award for musical brain of the year).
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Re: A NEW PROBLEM WITH SONAR X1 PRODUCER
2016/01/01 12:44:41
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Re: A NEW PROBLEM WITH SONAR X1 PRODUCER
2016/01/01 12:51:54
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Yes, although Sonar may suggest 16 beat 4 by default. I am saying use beat 1 of measure 17 because that will probably be easier to see in the audio. If you can see measure 16 beat 4, by all means, use that. Just so long as the position of your cursor and what you tell Sonar is the same. I have to shut down now, I'm sure you're fine from here.
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Re: A NEW PROBLEM WITH SONAR X1 PRODUCER
2016/01/01 13:35:27
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I have run the check and it is telling me that the actual bpm is 118.53, not the 120 it is supposed to be. Bit of a blow.
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Re: A NEW PROBLEM WITH SONAR X1 PRODUCER
2016/01/01 13:43:42
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I have also played the Sonar metronome and the Tyros metronome simultaneously at 120bpm... and I'm afraid that the Tyros soon starts to lag behind. Will Yamaha be able to fix this?
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Re: A NEW PROBLEM WITH SONAR X1 PRODUCER
2016/01/01 13:56:19
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If it worked correctly before then I don't know if they will. I have no idea what might cause it but a Yahama service center would be the place to ask. If you have any other standalone rhythm sources it might be worth checking them against the Tyros first.
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Re: A NEW PROBLEM WITH SONAR X1 PRODUCER
2016/01/01 14:03:38
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I've googled a little and found some user reports. One person said that if he had to many things in "USER" this started to happen. Another thing I figured is that perhaps your tempo controls are a little corroded and the tempo dial or "tempo down" knob may be triggering erratically.
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Re: A NEW PROBLEM WITH SONAR X1 PRODUCER
2016/01/01 14:14:37
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Thanks so much for this. Alas, I have little if anything in "User". Actually, while you are there - I just performed a full system restore. Thought I had nothing to lose. Trouble is, the Auto Accomp styles now don't seem to work, and nor does the metronome. It's some ten years since I last set this thing up... I thought that the Auto Accomp was factory set to be triggered by playing chords or single notes on the far left of the keyboard. Now I am sometimes getting voices, but no accompaniment. Any advice?
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Re: A NEW PROBLEM WITH SONAR X1 PRODUCER
2016/01/01 14:56:22
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Hi to whoever might still be prepared to tune in. I did a factory reset, have got the Tyros up and working, recorded a basic style at 106bpm with the X1 metronome playing at the same time. All sounded great, until - bizarrely - 1min 13 secs (again!) when there was a noticeable loss of sync. Brand new project, brand new everything. How can this even be possible?!? HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mark
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Re: A NEW PROBLEM WITH SONAR X1 PRODUCER
2016/01/01 15:17:48
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You have two methods. 1. Stretch (actually, squeeze) the recorded result back up to 120, or 2. Record once, set Sonar's tempo to what your Tyros is generating, then record again. Try both, use the one that suits you. With the second method, you can continue recording the remaining tracks without any additional work.
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Re: A NEW PROBLEM WITH SONAR X1 PRODUCER
2016/01/01 15:28:39
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You should probably at least take Sonar completely out of the equation. If you don't have a standalone metronome to test with, just google "online metronome" and test with the first several in the results list. Make sure nothing but your browser is running while testing, and see what the results are. If it still drifts, at least you'll know it's not some kind of interaction between Sonar and your Tyros. I don't know how good the online metronomes really are, but if you check with several you should get some kind of idea what's going on.
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Re: A NEW PROBLEM WITH SONAR X1 PRODUCER
2016/01/01 16:36:31
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Some help: You can see the waveform of your recording. And you can see at the start of the song how the overall repeating pattern fits within the grid lines. Choose a prominent feature in that waveform, usually the bass drum, and just go to the very end, shrink it in and line it up with the grid line to match the start of the song. Two or three tries, and you're done. I do it every day. But in your case what you should do is record the first track and let it go out of sync. Then use the second method I showed you to tell Sonar what the real tempo is. Once Sonar has that tempo, Sonar will be in sync as long as you leave Tyros at that tempo. By the way, does the Tyros show the tempo on a display somewhere? Does it display a constant 120? Edit: Oh. I was on the previous page. I fear I may have repeated myself.
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