Keni
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Suddenly, many crashes
Hmmm...
During a session the other day I began having many crashes.... First session since the newburyport update...
I was using the same plugins I always do... Cakewalk stuff except for two.... Amplitube 3 and Vsampler which is 32 bit and I already know it gives me crashes when changing songs, but this was crashing during many different circumstances...
Is anyone else experiencing unusual crashes?
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tenfoot
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Re: Suddenly, many crashes
2016/02/28 18:25:29
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Hey Keni. If you take out vsampler and use only 64bit plugins do you still get crashes? Since abandoning 32 bit plugins I have found crashes to be very rare events.
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Re: Suddenly, many crashes
2016/02/28 19:07:39
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No crashes here and anytime I use a 32bit plug, I use jBridge.
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Keni
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Re: Suddenly, many crashes
2016/02/28 20:06:47
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Crahes from vsampler have been strictly limited to crashing when opening/closing a new song (changing songs)...
I'm used to that already and I well understand the issues of 32bit in 64 ...
This is something else (I believe)...
Hard to duplicate the situation without vsampler as I use vsampler in nearly all my projects and I would need to be deep in editing to get where I was...
Thanks for the input...
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Re: Suddenly, many crashes
2016/02/28 22:03:49
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Could this be related to the reported phenomenon of lots of edits without saving causing crashes (hinting at the undo queue becoming too long?)
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Keni
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Re: Suddenly, many crashes
2016/02/29 00:22:12
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I don't think so, but that would depend on what "a lot of edits" is... I do constant saves so there aren't typically more than a few edits between my saves....
post edited by Keni - 2016/02/29 00:37:51
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taccess
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Re: Suddenly, many crashes
2016/02/29 00:57:27
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since New update latest newbury> crash >crash> crash >crash> crash> crash> crash >minidumps more crashes fault reports bla bla , same big project working on for 6months has seen all updates as they come in >this update is definatly a crasher
come on cakewalk
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Re: Suddenly, many crashes
2016/02/29 01:22:12
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Just to make sure some hardware fault has not developed (a not impossible scenario) , can you roll back to Manchester and see if there is a change in crashes frequency.
Also have a look at the Windows Event Viewer. Pay particular attention to any hard drive events to make sure the hard drive has not developed any back blocks.. Of course, standard other advice applies; make sure all drivers for all of your hardware (including video) and Windows patches are up to date. It would not hurt, also, to make sure you have the latest version of any third party VST plugins you are using as well.
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Re: Suddenly, many crashes
2016/02/29 01:52:08
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taccess
since New update latest newbury> crash >crash> crash >crash> crash> crash> crash >minidumps more crashes fault reports bla bla , same big project working on for 6months has seen all updates as they come in >this update is definatly a crasher
come on cakewalk
Sorry to hear you are having problems taccess. If there realy was a major bug in the latest update causing regular crashes this forum would be buzzing with reports, so you really need to find out what is going on with your system. I understand that it seems as though the latest update has caused the issue, however the relationship between software, drivers etc is a complex one. Perhaps the latest version has revealed a problem with an old driver, plugin or some other element. The more information you can provide regarding your system/problem, the more likely someone can help. Promidi's advice is a great place to start. Posting your own thread with as much detail as possible should be your next step. Good luck with your trouble shooting.
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Re: Suddenly, many crashes
2016/02/29 02:06:29
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Keni
Crahes from vsampler have been strictly limited to crashing when opening/closing a new song (changing songs)...
I'm used to that already and I well understand the issues of 32bit in 64 ...
This is something else (I believe)...
Hard to duplicate the situation without vsampler as I use vsampler in nearly all my projects and I would need to be deep in editing to get where I was...
Thanks for the input...
Hey Keni. I haven't used it for a very long time, but it seems people have had problems with Vsampler becoming buggy in later releases for quite a while (it is getting a bit long in the tooth). I would certainly start my investigation there. Have you tried running it in Jbridge as Bob suggested? No doubt you have heard it many times, and it is hard to change our favourite plugins, but switching over to a purely 64bit system/plugin environment would almost certainly improve your system stability. Here's one old thread on the Vsampler /64bit issue: http://forum.cakewalk.com...rnatives-m2768543.aspx
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Re: Suddenly, many crashes
2016/02/29 08:00:56
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Can you post a link to one of the dump files? I'll take a look. Vsampler is ancient and buggy - its not impossible that its causing a crash by corrupting memory.
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Re: Suddenly, many crashes
2016/02/29 10:24:00
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taccess
since New update latest newbury> crash >crash> crash >crash> crash> crash> crash >minidumps more crashes fault reports bla bla , same big project working on for 6months has seen all updates as they come in >this update is definatly a crasher
come on cakewalk
As tenfoot (Bruce) implied, it's your system, not CW. I suggest reinstalling your interface drivers or even Sonar. If that doesn't work, then roll back to the last version of Sonar that worked for you.
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Keni
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Re: Suddenly, many crashes
2016/02/29 11:19:01
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Can you post a link to one of the dump files? I'll take a look. Vsampler is ancient and buggy - its not impossible that its causing a crash by corrupting memory.
Hi Noel... I wish I could, but these crashes were so nasty that they wouldn't allow easy exit.... There was no cakewalk generated info... I've been using Vsampler throughout all the updates since Gigastudio stopped... VSampler is the only player I have that can play my best bass samples (Will Lee made a set for Giga)... I know there are now 64bit plugins that claim Giga file loading, but I can't afford to buy any... So I'm trapped as the difference in these sample-instruments is too profound for me to give up... and again I would wonder why it is suddenly causing more trouble than I'm already used to... Yes, it culd be more incompatible with this update for some reason... I'm not really complaining... or even claiming that these crashes are due to Sonar itself... My post was really asking if anyone else was experiencing such... Though I check the forums many times every day, I miss many things.... :-)
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Re: Suddenly, many crashes
2016/02/29 11:25:26
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Hi Gang...
I think I must have overstated (?) my quandry...
My system is perfectly stable and all is up to date (well, there are a number of windows7 updates I have not applied)...
I was just very surprised to have these crashes during a session last week... Everything has been fine over all...
These crashes all started/ended within a 2 hour span, so I was only posting to see if there was some issue with the latest update... Not accusing, only asking...
I have not had a repeat of this since, but then again I haven't been working on that particular project either...
Many thanks for all the good ideas and support... I believe I have that friend returning this week and will again be working on that project thinking it may be project related and I will continue to search for something unusual in that project....
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Re: Suddenly, many crashes
2016/02/29 19:06:19
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Hi Everyone
> users>me>appdata>roaming>cakewalk>sonarplatinum>minidumps > 6 of them yesterday 26.2.16
only one before that on the 16.2.16 > also i did delete these files just before <that date but nothing like the above ?
Anyways i am tech savy and am going to learn how to read these files > any suggestions
thanks
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Re: Suddenly, many crashes
2016/02/29 20:02:20
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Hi taccess. You still haven't posted any details about your system (OS, specs, interface) or the conditions under which the problem happens (plugins etc) All we know is that you have experienced crashes so it is near impossible to offer anything beyond the most general advice like update system drivers, audio drivers and reinstall Sonar, all of which I am sure you already know.
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Re: Suddenly, many crashes
2016/02/29 20:05:06
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Post a link to the dumps and we can look at them. You wont be able to make much sense of the files yourself.
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Re: Suddenly, many crashes
2016/03/01 18:27:29
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Hey guys,
specs are
m18x 2960xm / dual 6990m cards/ laptop plus dual 23.6 inch monitors
32 GB 1866 hyper x
win 10
baby face audio interface
i turned my internet off yesterday and only one crash right at end of day.
Anyways i have installed visual studio but i need to re install it , when sonar crashed yesterday it asked if i want to debug it , which is great , however i need to reinstall visual studio first, as it did not install properly. Hence unable to debug!
I will let you know once i have this sorted but i am sure it is like you said probably a plugin or driver, i did see there is no buzzers going off on this so i am a little busy over the next month but will report back once i know, i am eager to understand this debugging, so i will do some research also.
thanks
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Re: Suddenly, many crashes
2016/03/01 20:07:59
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Cool Taccess. Wireless network drivers can be problematic. I see you are running an RME audio driver - given their stability (provided it is the latest version) I would certainly start with the dual video drivers and then the plugins.
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Re: Suddenly, many crashes
2016/03/13 19:23:39
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OK,
so i have shut wireless of and have had 1 crash since ( i have also noticed with sonar and windows 10 ,if the mouse turns to a blue circle ( which means the computer is doing stuff ) its best not click on anything> now within 30 sec every time this occurs sonar is back >
i just want to add despite what i posted above , this seems to be one of my favorite updates since Kingston , very stable and handles big projects much much better than any previous update , Thanks Cakewalk
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Re: Suddenly, many crashes
2016/03/13 21:03:25
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Keni, its time to drop Vsampler and goto Kontakt. You wont loose anything because Kontakt can import Vsampler samples and its programs.
Heck Kontakt can read just about any sample format.
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tenfoot
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Re: Suddenly, many crashes
2016/03/13 21:23:04
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John gives great advice on this Keni. Kontakt is amazing. I would be surprised if it didn't make a huge difference to your system stability to have all 64bit plugins. A few people seem to get lucky running old 32bit plugins, but most don't. You should not have to worry about blue circles and waiting 30 sec. What a buzzkill:)
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