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2016/04/07 15:22:09 (permalink)

Signal gets extra 6dB of gain between audio track and aux track

Ok, here's a weird one. I have a guitar track that is one of two routed into an aux track acting as a subgroup, and that aux track then goes into a bus. What I'm seeing is the output of the aux track is 6dB higher than the output of the guitar track going into it. This is still the case when the track is soloed so it's not some other track feeding in as well, and there are no other sends from the guitar track. The aux track's gain and volume are both 0. No plugins on the aux track, no ProChannel.
 
I fixed the problem by just creating a fresh aux track and routing the guitars through there instead. I can't see any difference between the new one and the old one but now I get unity gain when I pipe audio through. So, I don't really have a problem that needs solving any more, but I thought this was worth mentioning. Maybe someone else can reproduce it, or maybe someone knows a hidden setting that I accidentally managed to switch. 6dB is a suspiciously 'round' number, as if the signal was being routed in twice by accident.

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Re: Signal gets extra 6dB of gain between audio track and aux track 2016/04/07 15:45:48 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby RehabRob 2016/04/08 03:39:06
Check the input assignment and interleave of the Aux track. If the input is both channels of the stereo patch point, and the interleave is set to mono, you'll get a 6dB gain. 

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Re: Signal gets extra 6dB of gain between audio track and aux track 2016/04/07 17:59:43 (permalink)
Good idea, but both aux tracks (the boosted one, and the normal one) have stereo inputs and are marked as stereo interleave. Also the guitar tracks are hard panned.

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Re: Signal gets extra 6dB of gain between audio track and aux track 2016/04/07 18:48:45 (permalink)
Likely you've already checked this, but is the input gain knob on the aux channel at unity? Lots of people never touch these and don't think to look at them, maybe it got changed somehow?

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Re: Signal gets extra 6dB of gain between audio track and aux track 2016/04/08 03:28:45 (permalink)
Said in first post, "The aux track's gain and volume are both 0". As far as I can tell the old broken aux track and the new one are identical in every way and in every setting. That's what makes this quite weird.

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Re: Signal gets extra 6dB of gain between audio track and aux track 2016/04/08 03:59:04 (permalink)
Sounds a lot like the issues in this thread, perhaps you can find some ideas of what to look at:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/SOLVED-Volume-Differences-at-unity-cwp-added-m3342056.aspx
 

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Re: Signal gets extra 6dB of gain between audio track and aux track 2016/04/08 05:23:44 (permalink)
Nothing really useful there, unfortunately. A lot of talk about meters and offset mode, and my meters aren't the issue and offset mode shows no offsets for me.

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Re: Signal gets extra 6dB of gain between audio track and aux track 2016/04/08 05:26:21 (permalink)
pan law setting?

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Re: Signal gets extra 6dB of gain between audio track and aux track 2016/04/08 06:06:10 (permalink)
Not gonna apply, is it?

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Re: Signal gets extra 6dB of gain between audio track and aux track 2016/04/08 06:22:58 (permalink)
stereo to mono somewhere in the signal path? just a thought

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Re: Signal gets extra 6dB of gain between audio track and aux track 2016/04/08 06:42:17 (permalink)
Can you share a stripped down version of the project that does this?

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Re: Signal gets extra 6dB of gain between audio track and aux track 2016/04/08 08:27:06 (permalink)
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Re: Signal gets extra 6dB of gain between audio track and aux track 2016/04/08 08:54:40 (permalink)
Both the bus aux inputs in my case are stereo. And the difference is 6dB rather than 3.
 

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Re: Signal gets extra 6dB of gain between audio track and aux track 2016/04/08 08:55:20 (permalink)
As for sharing a stripped down version of the project, I might be able to, but that's a lower priority than trying to get Sonar to freeze a synth without crashing, which is currently occupying my time.

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Re: Signal gets extra 6dB of gain between audio track and aux track 2016/04/08 10:07:59 (permalink)
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As for sharing a stripped down version of the project, I might be able to, but that's a lower priority than trying to get Sonar to freeze a synth without crashing, which is currently occupying my time.




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Re: Signal gets extra 6dB of gain between audio track and aux track 2016/04/08 10:47:53 (permalink)
Nope, seems to be any of a number of different synths which I've bounced in other projects without problem before, and which playback and render okay otherwise. Just another time-wasting glitch.

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Re: Signal gets extra 6dB of gain between audio track and aux track 2016/04/08 12:13:46 (permalink)
Another 'fun' bug encountered during experimenting with this - toggle the stereo interleave option of a track in the Inspector and the channel strip of its output next to it disappears and is replaced with a main out. *slow clap*

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