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December 10, 15 5:38 AM (permalink)

I had a Splat crash last night

This is in Kingston.
 
I inserted a synth (Kontakt 5, 8 out) into a fairly busy project. (a dozen or so soft synths, half a dozen guitar tracks, BFD2)
I actually didn't want Kontakt so I right clicked the Midi icon and chose "Replace Synth" and selected Rapture Session.
 
This locked up Sonar and eventually white screened. I'd saved the project moments before so didn't lose anything.
 
I didn't attempt to repeat this but Rap Session inserted just fine.
 
Thought I'd share this with the forum.
 
 
 

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Re: I had a Splat crash last night December 10, 15 9:01 AM (permalink)
When you replace a synth it's better to disconnect the old one before the replacement with the option disconnect synth,with some VSTi's or mixed combinatios of them i got the same crash if i don't disconnect the synth to replace.

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Re: I had a Splat crash last night April 20, 16 6:25 PM (permalink)
I just had a crash with Lexington.  Had the transport playing, went to replace Rapture Pro with Hybrid 3 synth and the whole program crashed :(

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Re: I had a Splat crash last night April 20, 16 7:38 PM (permalink)
I too have had a Rapture Pro involved in a Sonar Platinum crash - couple of weeks ago, did not have time to pursue replicating or diving into it.
 
I ALWAYS insert the new synth, then alter midi and audio routing assignments to point audio/midi tracks to the new synth, prior to deleting the old one, and that just seems a bit cleaner to me than doing an actual replace. 
 
The ONLY time I have locked up Sonar was when doing so with Rapture Pro, so given these other crashes, it would appear that something is up that needs some replicating steps and a bug report filed.  If nobody else does it prior to my getting some free time tomorrow, I will put some time and effort into seeing if I can break it and capture some sort of crash recipe that can be passed on to the Bakers.
 
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Re: I had a Splat crash last night April 20, 16 10:28 PM (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Klaus April 21, 16 2:51 PM
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I just had a crash with Lexington.  Had the transport playing, went to replace Rapture Pro with Hybrid 3 synth and the whole program crashed :(



I don't do anything as major as replacing a synth with the transport playing. Just cautious, I guess.

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Re: I had a Splat crash last night April 20, 16 10:50 PM (permalink)
I do it pretty frequently when auditioning sounds over a drum loop. Never thought of stopping the transport actually...

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Re: I had a Splat crash last night April 20, 16 11:21 PM (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu April 21, 16 11:38 AM
Splat Crash = Splash.
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Re: I had a Splat crash last night April 20, 16 11:26 PM (permalink)
bitman quote: Splat Crash = Splash.
 
Good one, bitman!
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Re: I had a Splat crash last night April 21, 16 11:07 AM (permalink)
I guess I too am like Craig - I never do things like that while the transport is playing either.
 
I figured Sonar had enough to do, without challenging it to perform edits of any magnitude while also doing all it does when playback is occurring.
 
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Re: I had a Splat crash last night April 21, 16 11:41 AM (permalink)
rlared
I just had a crash with Lexington.  Had the transport playing, went to replace Rapture Pro with Hybrid 3 synth and the whole program crashed :(


 
 
robert_e_bone
I guess I too am like Craig - I never do things like that while the transport is playing either.
 
 


Ditto that Bob.
 
rlared, until the engine is re-written to be gapless it's risky business to do heavy duty stuff like replace synths while the transport is running.
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Re: I had a Splat crash last night April 21, 16 11:51 AM (permalink)
I agree with the above statements about not making major changes with the transport running.  However, I've had Splat crash on me a few times while inserting Rapture Pro without the transport running.  I've tried to reproduce this several times, but failed, so it seems to be a random act of nature.  Yet, it only happens with RP.

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Re: I had a Splat crash last night April 21, 16 12:19 AM (permalink)
However, this begs the question that if this is clearly something that can affect system stability, then shouldn't Sonar block the action while the transport is running?  The responses above, while helpful, seem to suggest that it's OK for Sonar to crash in this instance and I should know better. . . am I misreading this?

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Re: I had a Splat crash last night April 21, 16 12:39 AM (permalink)
+1, or even stop the transport, replace the synth, and restart it.

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Re: I had a Splat crash last night April 21, 16 3:01 PM (permalink)
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However, this begs the question that if this is clearly something that can affect system stability, then shouldn't Sonar block the action while the transport is running?  The responses above, while helpful, seem to suggest that it's OK for Sonar to crash in this instance and I should know better. . . am I misreading this?




Sonar can actually take quite some abuse and still works fine i.e. you can insert/delete/change FX while transport running (does make sense and I wouldn't want to miss that!!) and actually inserting/deleting/changing a VSTi is not so much different apart from it being harder on your resources (e.g. loading samples,...) although VSTi change I rarely do ...
 
Occasionally I push it too far and get a crash - and most of the time it's actually caused by the audio driver giving up (which I can see from the crash message). So with some drivers more stable and mine not being the best (Roland), it's still working and I would not want to be restricted upfront ...
 
 

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Re: I had a Splat crash last night April 21, 16 4:36 PM (permalink)
I never based my decision about not doing things while transport on any experience of having such a thing causing any crashes.
 
I only reasoned that it would be a POTENTIALLY crash-prone thing to do.
 
I cannot speak for anybody else on that notion - it was just how I always saw it, and besides, I am quite deliberate in how I approach making changes to things, and having the transport stopped while I am making changes is quite inline with how I approach it all.
 
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Re: I had a Splat crash last night April 21, 16 5:08 PM (permalink)
Fair enough. I suppose I do need to consider that the system is performing real time calculations when I make changes, so a mindset change will help. No more changing synths while running the transport!

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Re: I had a Splat crash last night April 21, 16 11:37 PM (permalink)
reminds me of a quote from one of my favourite movies
 
"Never changes horses in midstream"
 
... though I don't live by it :-)

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