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Re: 2016.5 is up for the Early Version
May 20, 16 9:51 PM
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It looks like the UI customization is only partially developed. There is 1 new theme but I see no tools for creating themes other than what there was before. Strangely, this release has the best core balancing I've ever seen. Anyone else notice that?
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Re: 2016.5 is up for the Early Version
May 20, 16 10:00 PM
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ampfixer It looks like the UI customization is only partially developed. There is 1 new theme but I see no tools for creating themes other than what there was before. Strangely, this release has the best core balancing I've ever seen. Anyone else notice that?
Since you mentioned it, I opened up a project with Ozone 5 and all sorts of look ahead plugins, and I would agree, cores do seem more balanced, especially core 1 doesn't stand out as much.
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Re: 2016.5 is up for the Early Version
May 20, 16 10:04 PM
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ampfixer It looks like the UI customization is only partially developed. There is 1 new theme but I see no tools for creating themes other than what there was before. Strangely, this release has the best core balancing I've ever seen. Anyone else notice that?
This release introduces theme support and your first new theme. We're about to move on to discussions about how you guys will be able to make your own, and are already working with our graphic designer on concepts for the next factory theme. So, it's not partially developed. It's exactly as intended. But we may introduce enhancements and expansions over time.
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Re: 2016.5 is up for the Early Version
May 21, 16 1:50 AM
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Really dislike that bright orange (the rest of the new theme is very nice). Too bad there doesn't appear to be any way at all to edit it, the theme is not a text file.
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Re: 2016.5 is up for the Early Version
May 21, 16 3:09 AM
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msorrels Really dislike that bright orange (the rest of the new theme is very nice). Too bad there doesn't appear to be any way at all to edit it, the theme is not a text file.
I use to dislike orange... then fell in love with an orange loving goddess... I've grown to love it. Everyone is going to have a different love/hate re: colors. Which gets us back to the do re "mememe". Looks like you'll be able to fix that down the road per bills comment above urs. Re: Core balancing... does seem better... but not rolling back to C tonight!
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Re: 2016.5 is up for the Early Version
May 21, 16 7:45 AM
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☄ Helpfulby Zargg71 May 21, 16 11:43 AM
msorrels Really dislike that bright orange (the rest of the new theme is very nice). Too bad there doesn't appear to be any way at all to edit it, the theme is not a text file.
just go in to preferences / colors and change what you don't like. there are many options in colors to change a lot of things.
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Re: 2016.5 is up for the Early Version
May 21, 16 8:50 AM
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The orange is part of the theme, it's not coming from a color in the color settings. Believe me I tried. There seems to be a few different tints/versions of orange as a well -- all bad. I think whoever picked it needs to be given a better monitor and maybe a color calibration unit.
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Re: 2016.5 is up for the Early Version
May 21, 16 9:05 AM
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☄ Helpfulby Geo524 May 24, 16 1:24 AM
I don't see any bright orange that is incongruous with the theme. Looks great to me. Vastly superior to the default. And unlike Reaper, the theme seems to be overarching. You don't get sudden panels or popups that aren't governed by the theme.
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Re: 2016.5 is up for the Early Version
May 21, 16 9:06 AM
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Removed. I really must learn to read the whole thread before blurting out.
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Re: 2016.5 is up for the Early Version
May 21, 16 9:10 AM
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spoke too soon. Just like Reaper, the themes miss many of the editor, configuration and setup windows.
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Re: 2016.5 is up for the Early Version
May 21, 16 9:21 AM
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☄ Helpfulby hodshonf May 25, 16 10:21 PM
I think it looks rather nice. The best bit is you can tell if an FX has been disabled as it goes grey from orange as opposed to going grey from grey! It also matches my new studio  . Grum.
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Re: 2016.5 is up for the Early Version
May 21, 16 9:26 AM
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☄ Helpfulby Geo524 May 24, 16 1:27 AM
I see nothing wrong with it. There's no "bright" orange anywhere!! IMHO it looks absolutely gorgeous.
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Re: 2016.5 is up for the Early Version
May 21, 16 9:28 AM
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I just tested a dozen of old projects with different plugins and virtual instruments. Tested also the LP plugins and everything runs so smoothly now. Thanks Cakewalk! I really enjoy the new theme also.
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Re: 2016.5 is up for the Early Version
May 21, 16 9:29 AM
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I like the new theme overall, though I'm not an orange-lover by nature. I mean, I like the fruit very much, but often the color is not my thing. Except that here it seems to work rather well - highly visible differentiation of the states of things without being straining or jarring on the eyes. I think it'll grow on me. The one thing I don't much like is the drop-down menus in Track and Console views - you know, View, Options, Tracks, Clips, MIDI, Region FX... and in Console, Modules, Strips, Track, Bus, Options. I don't know what the designer was going for but they are barely legible here. And unless I'm missing something obvious, I can't see where it's possible to change them in the Color preferences. Anyone else seeing this, or know how to change them if it's possible? Looking forward (hopefully) to the possibility to create, alter, and share themes...
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Re: 2016.5 is up for the Early Version
May 21, 16 9:40 AM
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subtlearts I like the new theme overall, though I'm not an orange-lover by nature. I mean, I like the fruit very much, but often the color is not my thing. Except that here it seems to work rather well - highly visible differentiation of the states of things without being straining or jarring on the eyes. I think it'll grow on me. The one thing I don't much like is the drop-down menus in Track and Console views - you know, View, Options, Tracks, Clips, MIDI, Region FX... and in Console, Modules, Strips, Track, Bus, Options. I don't know what the designer was going for but they are barely legible here. And unless I'm missing something obvious, I can't see where it's possible to change them in the Color preferences. Anyone else seeing this, or know how to change them if it's possible? Looking forward (hopefully) to the possibility to create, alter, and share themes...
Not sure I'm misunderstanding something but the drop down menus are white so stand out as good as anything over the dark background. Looks like there is no difference to the old menus to me. Grum Edit: Unless you mean the labels for the menus - they don't stand out that great but they aren't that bad (IMO).
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Re: 2016.5 is up for the Early Version
May 21, 16 10:01 AM
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Grumbleweed_
subtlearts ... The one thing I don't much like is the drop-down menus in Track and Console views - you know, View, Options, Tracks, Clips, MIDI, Region FX... and in Console, Modules, Strips, Track, Bus, Options. I don't know what the designer was going for but they are barely legible here. And unless I'm missing something obvious, I can't see where it's possible to change them in the Color preferences. Anyone else seeing this, or know how to change them if it's possible? ...
Not sure I'm misunderstanding something but the drop down menus are white so stand out as good as anything over the dark background. Looks like there is no difference to the old menus to me. ...
Hmm. Now that you mention it... I looked at the screen grabs posted in other threads and you're right, they look fine. Unfortunately mine look like this: Any ideas? Did I get a corrupt download somehow? Seems a bit odd since everything else works... EDIT for typo (sorry, compulsive)
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Re: 2016.5 is up for the Early Version
May 21, 16 10:44 AM
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subtlearts
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subtlearts ... The one thing I don't much like is the drop-down menus in Track and Console views - you know, View, Options, Tracks, Clips, MIDI, Region FX... and in Console, Modules, Strips, Track, Bus, Options. I don't know what the designer was going for but they are barely legible here. And unless I'm missing something obvious, I can't see where it's possible to change them in the Color preferences. Anyone else seeing this, or know how to change them if it's possible? ...
Not sure I'm misunderstanding something but the drop down menus are white so stand out as good as anything over the dark background. Looks like there is no difference to the old menus to me. ...
Hmm. Now that you mention it... I looked at the screen grabs posted in other threads and you're right, they look fine. Unfortunately mine look like this:

 Any ideas? Did I get a corrupt download somehow? Seems a bit odd since everything else works... EDIT for typo (sorry, compulsive)
Did you try resetting your colors to default? Feel free to save it as a preset first in case there were specific customizations you wanted to keep. Another thing to try is restarting SONAR, which shouldn't be necessary but would definitely cause a reload of the theme colors. Keith
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Re: 2016.5 is up for the Early Version
May 21, 16 11:14 AM
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Keith Albright [Cakewalk] Did you try resetting your colors to default? Feel free to save it as a preset first in case there were specific customizations you wanted to keep. Another thing to try is restarting SONAR, which shouldn't be necessary but would definitely cause a reload of the theme colors.
Resetting to default does nothing, as those menus appear to not be affected by anything on the colors list anyway. I can change colors to my hearts content and reset all I want, but it doesn't affect them. Reverting to Mercury theme works, but when I go back to Tungsten the odd washed out menus are back. I'll try restarting now... nope, that didn't work either. I will try rolling back to the previous version and then reinstalling the early version, maybe somehow some small graphics file got corrupted somehow. Seems pretty strange, and it's not a showstopper, but it's clear it doesn't look like it's supposed to, on my system. Edit: rolled back to last release, deleted install files, re-rolled into early access, re-downloaded and installed, it looks the same. Menus messed up. Any further suggestions most welcome! Am I the only one seeing this?
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Re: 2016.5 is up for the Early Version
May 21, 16 11:56 AM
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At least I can see what you mean now you have posted the image. I sympathise but can't offer anything to help (you have done the obvious cures).
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Re: 2016.5 is up for the Early Version
May 21, 16 1:01 PM
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subtlearts
Keith Albright [Cakewalk] Did you try resetting your colors to default? Feel free to save it as a preset first in case there were specific customizations you wanted to keep. Another thing to try is restarting SONAR, which shouldn't be necessary but would definitely cause a reload of the theme colors.
Resetting to default does nothing, as those menus appear to not be affected by anything on the colors list anyway. I can change colors to my hearts content and reset all I want, but it doesn't affect them. Reverting to Mercury theme works, but when I go back to Tungsten the odd washed out menus are back. I'll try restarting now... nope, that didn't work either. I will try rolling back to the previous version and then reinstalling the early version, maybe somehow some small graphics file got corrupted somehow. Seems pretty strange, and it's not a showstopper, but it's clear it doesn't look like it's supposed to, on my system. Edit: rolled back to last release, deleted install files, re-rolled into early access, re-downloaded and installed, it looks the same. Menus messed up. Any further suggestions most welcome! Am I the only one seeing this?
are you using a different windows theme ? im not sure but it may be possible that your colors are changed because of a windows theme. im only taking a guess because to be honest, I really don't know. mine are showing up fine. my first guess was have you changed any colors but keith already asked you that. im just wondering if a custom windows theme may alter your color in sonar. I wouldn't imagine it would but I don't know it might be worth a shot using the default and re open sonar. right click on desktop/personalize/ choose: Windows default theme. (windows theme)
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Re: 2016.5 is up for the Early Version
May 21, 16 1:13 PM
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Do the colors lock in for a track - i.e. a new clip is recorded on a track and it retains the colors selected for that track (instead of having to change each clip at a time). I hope I am explaining this well enough.
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Re: 2016.5 is up for the Early Version
May 21, 16 1:18 PM
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deswind Do the colors lock in for a track - i.e. a new clip is recorded on a track and it retains the colors selected for that track (instead of having to change each clip at a time). I hope I am explaining this well enough.
yes, once you change the color of your track the wave form is the same color. but the whole track does not change color as it did in mercury. there is a strip (next to the WAI strip) im used to it now and like this version/tungsten way better then old iron sides mercury.
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Re: 2016.5 is up for the Early Version
May 21, 16 1:28 PM
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Grumbleweed_ I think it looks rather nice. The best bit is you can tell if an FX has been disabled as it goes grey from orange as opposed to going grey from grey! It also matches my new studio . Grum.
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Re: 2016.5 is up for the Early Version
May 21, 16 2:00 PM
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OK, maybe I spoke too soon. The tabs that I have docked in Track view have white letters on a light gray background, making them nearly impossible to read. Also, the buttons for view, options, tracks, clips, MIDI, and region fx are light gray letters on a white background in track view. And, the little slider at the bottom of TV is very light in color, as well. Really??? Is it so hard to make the text contrast with its background? I can't believe you put all this work into this nice new color scheme and forget these little details. It does no good to put this in the features request, because I've been asking for this for years. Perhaps, CW can correct this soon because this is a serious drawback to those with color impaired vision. Thanks for you ear because I hope somebody from CW is listening this time.
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Re: 2016.5 is up for the Early Version
May 21, 16 2:14 PM
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☄ Helpfulby Lynn May 21, 16 8:05 PM
Lynn I have light on a dark background for the tabs in multidock. What I am seeing is very clear and stands out. This is true on the TV and the CV.
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Re: 2016.5 is up for the Early Version
May 21, 16 2:27 PM
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☄ Helpfulby Lynn May 21, 16 8:05 PM
Lynn Really??? Is it so hard to make the text contrast with its background? I can't believe you put all this work into this nice new color scheme and forget these little details.
Mine are fine (they are dark letters on a light back ground) your post is really a bit of a downer and negative don't you think??? I typically find its worth checking with others before jumping to conclusions. I know your a good guy Lynn. but don't be on the defense man. have some faith. someone did just mentioned this a few comments before yours. see this post: http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3420434http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3420543and see Keith's post 2 before mine) http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3420466 I cant be sure but its worth a try. also remove any custom colors you already have now (don't forget to back up your color scheme) good luck
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Re: 2016.5 is up for the Early Version
May 21, 16 2:39 PM
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I think there is an issue with how the new theme displays on a few systems. Everyone of the complaints I have read do not appear on my system. Recall with the LP remake and how a very few had blank windows. I suggest those that can't see the same theme colors I posted in the Dark Theme thread may need to contact CW. http://forum.cakewalk.com...in-Sonar-m3420096.aspx
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Re: 2016.5 is up for the Early Version
May 21, 16 3:05 PM
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John I think there is an issue with how the new theme displays on a few systems. Everyone of the complaints I have read do not appear on my system. Recall with the LP remake and how a very few had blank windows. I suggest those that can't see the same theme colors I posted in the Dark Theme thread may need to contact CW. http://forum.cakewalk.com...in-Sonar-m3420096.aspx
Yeah, I'm thinking it's probably a graphics adapter/driver issue.
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Re: 2016.5 is up for the Early Version
May 21, 16 3:22 PM
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sorry that's occurring, we're going to look into it.
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