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Re: Going through a list of job applicants....sheesh 2016/07/30 11:03:59 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mitch_I 2016/08/07 11:26:32
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What sort of dog owners actually pay for a service like this? I wouldn't even consider owning a pooch if I wasn't prepared to exercise it, or if it meant leaving it home alone for hours on end. Fair enough I suppose if the owner is physically disabled, but if the excuse is that the owner is too 'busy', I wouldn't consider them to be good candidates to own a mutt anyway.
 
I find it all quite absurd that such a service is booming, more so that dog owners are prepared to hand over enough cash to allow James to pay someone $20-ish an hour and still cream off enough to make a profit.
 
Still, good on you mate for filling that niche!


I don't see anything wrong with hiring a dog walker to take your dog out whilst you're at work. I don't think being at work and unable to come home in the middle of the day makes you lazy or a neglectful dog owner or anything like that. I guess by that logic, the only people "fit to own dogs" would be those who don't work? Hiring a dog walker is at least a huge step up from those who leave their dog at home or tied up outside all day when they work. I had this discussion years ago with a friend back home in Newcastle who said the same thing, that people who hired a service to walk their dog were obviously too rich and lazy to do it themselves. I asked him what he did with his dog when he was at work for 8 hours every day. He said he walked it before work, then again as soon as he got home. Well there you go - the people who use the dog walking service do that too, only they go one better and pay to have their dog walker once or twice in between as well whereas his dog sat at home alone all day.

I'm from Newcastle and I know the prevalent attitude there is to leave the dog home alone all day, or worse still, tied up in the yard in the cold north east weather. Which is why the sound of dogs barking is endlessly is a common thing. The owners don't care about the dog or their neighbors because hey, "out of sight out of mind" and of course the dog is so happy to see them when they get home, they think they must be doing something right. This attitude is changing however and I'm seeing more and more dog walking services crop up in the UK, including one just started by a Facebook friend of mine.

In all the years I've done this, I don't think I've had one client who hired us to walk their dog while they were at home, with the exception of the occasional person with broken limbs etc. So I think the real scorn should be directed at people who get a dog and leave it home unattended all day whole they're at work, not the people who care enough about their dogs to hire a service (omg I love those people - esp. their $$$'s!)

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Re: Going through a list of job applicants....sheesh 2016/07/30 11:53:57 (permalink)
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There are also practicalities, how many billions of background checks would be need to be done part of the job screening process.  Even the OP here has had hundreds of applicants, and I know for some jobs I have applied for in the past there have been 1000's. 



The "job screening process" starts right at the application, and that's where you rule out the majority of applicants. For instance, I've learned over the years that someone who does not pay close attention to detail and doesn't follow instructions carefully usually turns out to be a terrible employee. So when I put "please enclose a cover letter explaining why you want the job - all applications without cover letters will be rejected" in the application, I can go right ahead and delete all applicants who didn't bother reading that part (or who read it and thought "I'm not doing that.") Unfortunately with today's generation, that turns out to be a good 95% of them (I'm not even kidding!) Still, regardless of how many people it rules out, you have to separate the wheat from the chaff. 
 
Of that remaining 5%, I can whittle it down even further by rejecting applications from people who give some indication that they have something else going on which would interfere with the hours posted (a surprising number say things like "I'm available for those hours, oh except Tuesday mornings and every second Thursday afternoon") and those whose job history indicates that they flit from job to job every couple of months. In this way you can whittle 150 applicants down to a handful, and then it's on to the phone calls. Some of them I will reject off the bat by their surly, rude attitude on the phone (it's amazing how many people make themselves sound bubbly and affable in their applications but who do nothing but grunt and "mmmph!" when you call them). 
 
So I'd love to be able to carry out background checks on the few remaining candidates to avoid wasting any more of my time. However I'm now unable to do that legally unless I've formally offered them the job. The trouble is that the ignorant nincompoops who dream up these laws automatically see me, the business owner, as some sadistic cigar chomping tycoon who sits on a pile of gold dreaming up ways to exploit the working classes, when in actual fact if they had just one minute's experience of starting and running a business they would be aware of how many business owners are just ordinary working class Joe's like me - not rich, not cigar chomping and at times struggling to stay afloat. What aren't I entitled to protection from potentially bad employees? This is my life and my livelihood and I've put years of blood, sweat and tears into it. 

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Re: Going through a list of job applicants....sheesh 2016/07/30 13:55:41 (permalink)
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Moshkito I'm serious, you missed your calling as a writer!  




That was the problem ... I was  a writer and artist a midst a bunch of child molesters, rapists and generally dishonest folks in management next to me in other restaurants! We haven't even mentioned the money "borrowed" from petty cash, yet!


OMG moshkito...so many of those here..we honest pervs get grouped in with those fools all the time:D:D
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Re: Going through a list of job applicants....sheesh 2016/08/04 08:33:14 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby sharke 2016/08/04 09:29:14
It seems to me the undertsanding about how average, everyday life actually is has somehow gotten corrupted.
So many, especially many of the ones with less resources/ambition for studies seem to think that it's "normal" to get through your life with some kind of gimmick. Becoming a Reality-TV star, playing Warcraft or webpoker as a professional, starting a really succesfull fashion blog that gets 10 million followers (plus the traditional ones, rock star or movie actor)...you name it. 
This kind of distractions are everywhere today. Kids have always had unrealistic ambitions, and it's ok,  but in the "old world" they were dropped down to earth much faster than today.
 
My son is in the game programming business, and partly due to that I've met/heard  quite a few young men whos total lack of realism is stunning. Also, very important, the hype around some of the great heros of computer world likes to present them as "ordinary, careless kids who just had and idea and became millionaires". It isn't emphasized anywhere, that practically all of them were/are in good universities studying hard when they got their ideas. That goes with the creators of Angry Birds, Max Payne and some others here in Finland as well. The guys mostly have high(est) level university education in economics and computer science etc. They haven't gotten where they are just drawing monsters in the bedroom.
 

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Re: Going through a list of job applicants....sheesh 2016/08/04 09:34:10 (permalink)
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It seems to me the undertsanding about how average, everyday life actually is has somehow gotten corrupted.
So many, especially many of the ones with less resources/ambition for studies seem to think that it's "normal" to get through your life with some kind of gimmick. Becoming a Reality-TV star, playing Warcraft or webpoker as a professional, starting a really succesfull fashion blog that gets 10 million followers (plus the traditional ones, rock star or movie actor)...you name it. 
This kind of distractions are everywhere today. Kids have always had unrealistic ambitions, and it's ok,  but in the "old world" they were dropped down to earth much faster than today.
 
My son is in the game programming business, and partly due to that I've met/heard  quite a few young men whos total lack of realism is stunning. Also, very important, the hype around some of the great heros of computer world likes to present them as "ordinary, careless kids who just had and idea and became millionaires". It isn't emphasized anywhere, that practically all of them were/are in good universities studying hard when they got their ideas. That goes with the creators of Angry Birds, Max Payne and some others here in Finland as well. The guys mostly have high(est) level university education in economics and computer science etc. They haven't gotten where they are just drawing monsters in the bedroom.
 



 
Bingo! I've always said that the current culture of social media/celebrity obsession has had a huge negative influence on the current young generation. They watch reality TV and they see completely and utterly untalented d-bags elevated from nothing into positions of fame and wealth and they presume that the same thing is available to them, without ever stopping to think that such a life course is only available to one in a million people. You've always had a similar kind of thing in the inner city hoods wherein a lot of kids grow up thinking that basketball and rap music are viable career paths because of the number of basketball players and rappers who started life in underprivileged conditions like them. But for every multimillionaire rapper there are thousands of wannabes who end up pounding the streets trying to sell amateur rap CD's to tourists. 
 
Not only that but reality TV is making people more and more confrontational. They see these fake confrontations set up for the cameras in which nothing is going to get too out of control because there's a production team and security staff on hand, and they start behaving like that in real life with the predictable consequences. I've noticed a lot of girls have adopted this head wobbling, finger wagging, hand on hip affectation that they've seen on TV. It's really unpleasant. 
 
Funnily enough the young guy I ended up hiring for the position I wrote this post about turned out to be someone who has been catapulted to Instagram fame. He was featured in national newspapers and blogs and went viral on social media for reasons I won't go into to preserve his anonymity, and now has a million+ followers. Companies offer him free stuff to promote on his Instagram. Despite this, he's managed to keep a head on his shoulders and realizes that social media fame isn't a career path, so he's going into the police department in a couple of years and needs a solid job to keep him going in the meantime. I guess the difference is he comes from a good family and has had common sense instilled in him. 
 
I also have a young employee who is starting his education in game production at night school and has no delusions as to the amount of work it's going to take to get into the business. His first kid has just been born too so he's been thrust into the start realities of life at a relatively early age. These types of kids have always turned out to be the best employees for me. When you meet someone with their head on their shoulders these days, they're like gold dust.
 
Funny you should talk about game developers because a few years ago one of my clients was a legendary game developer who created an extremely popular game series in the 80's which sold hundreds of millions of copies. I have no idea of his net worth but he funded his own trip into space for $30 million in 2008 to give you a sense of just how rich. And his games were programmed solo, in BASIC! No huge production team. Back then I think it was a lot easier to come up with a hit on your own, these days it requires a huge collaborative effort of technicians and artists to make something which meets modern video game expectations. But the rewards are there if you're prepared to make the effort and work your way up. I have a friend back home who, as a young stoner in the 90's, took a job as a game tester (yep, the ultimate stoner job) and worked his way up through the company into one of the country's top game producers. But it took years. For the vast majority of people, there are no shortcuts. 

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Re: Going through a list of job applicants....sheesh 2016/08/04 12:26:58 (permalink)

 
Ok.  Fine.  I'll think about a different career path... 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
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Re: Going through a list of job applicants....sheesh 2016/08/04 12:32:38 (permalink)
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Ok.  Fine.  I'll think about a different career path... 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 





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Re: Going through a list of job applicants....sheesh 2016/08/04 12:52:01 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jamesg1213 2016/08/04 13:25:12
Funny you should say that James.  I just happened to log in remotely to your computer and noticed that you have quite a few viruses on there!  Now I can help you get rid of them...

 
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Re: Going through a list of job applicants....sheesh 2016/08/04 13:06:33 (permalink)
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Funny you should say that James.  I just happened to log in remotely to your computer and noticed that you have quite a few viruses on there!  Now I can help you get rid of them...




I am having many many wiruses on my dextop!! O blimey!

 
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Re: Going through a list of job applicants....sheesh 2016/08/04 13:08:11 (permalink)
I found your private folder of Scottish wildlife to be particularly disturbing too...

 
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Re: Going through a list of job applicants....sheesh 2016/08/04 13:32:51 (permalink)
Crap! So what do I do, forward you my bank details and mother's maiden name?

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Re: Going through a list of job applicants....sheesh 2016/08/05 09:10:20 (permalink)
Now I'm depressed.
 
Why even try anymore?  There's no hope anywhere.
 
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Re: Going through a list of job applicants....sheesh 2016/08/05 14:21:43 (permalink)
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Now I'm depressed.
 
Why even try anymore?  There's no hope anywhere.
 
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Re: Going through a list of job applicants....sheesh 2016/08/06 07:07:30 (permalink)
Sometime when I have the time... I'm supposed to be somewhere else 2 minutes ago.... but I'm the boss so I can be late...... I will tell you about my adventures as an employer and why I work mainly alone.
 
It's hard to find qualified people who actually want to work. Try hiring for the skilled trades where no criminal record of any kind is allowed, and yes I have to ask. Electronic security business in NC.... you can't even have a DUI arrest on the record. I hired one guy...asked him specifically.... HAVE YOU EVER BEEN ARRESTED FOR ANYTHING?  He said no... 2 weeks later the State Board informed me I had to terminate him because he had a DUI arrest and something else on his criminal BGC.  His words to me... "I didn't think a DUI arrest was actually an arrest".... kid you not.  You're fired dip wad.
 
I have a crew I'm supposed to meet here very shortly.... (actually 3 minutes ago now) who are cleaning out my old farm house.  Mexicans.... they will no doubt, be on time, work their tails off, and be thankful for the opportunity to make the money. I left the door open and instructions with their crew chief so they can get started while I'm here typing this response to you.

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Re: Going through a list of job applicants....sheesh 2016/08/06 07:57:05 (permalink)
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Sometime when I have the time... I'm supposed to be somewhere else 2 minutes ago.... but I'm the boss so I can be late...... I will tell you about my adventures as an employer and why I work mainly alone.
 

 
I have some similar stories from when I ran a signmaking company...50% of the stress of that business came from the employees. I swore I'd never hire anyone when I started my gardening business in Scotland.
 

 
I have a crew I'm supposed to meet here very shortly.... (actually 3 minutes ago now) who are cleaning out my old farm house.  Mexicans.... they will no doubt, be on time, work their tails off, and be thankful for the opportunity to make the money. I left the door open and instructions with their crew chief so they can get started while I'm here typing this response to you.




Ditto for the Eastern Europeans over here, they have an undeniable work ethic. The only person I would have employed in the last 12 years is Hungarian.

 
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Re: Going through a list of job applicants....sheesh 2016/08/06 10:32:09 (permalink)
Ditto with me and immigrants. My absolute hardest workers hands down have been Columbian and Equadorian. I've told this to people before and got "yeah right I bet it's because you can exploit them." NO! I pay them exactly the same as anyone else and it's all above board - many Ecuadorians for instance are here legally because of the TPS amnesty which was put in place after the earthquake in 2001 and are fully legal to work. It's not that they're easily exploitable - they're not, they wouldn't take any crap like that. They don't need to allow themselves to be exploited because they're such good workers and hence like gold dust to an employer.

I'll tell you what's funny is when you bring this problem with the Millennial work ethic up around Millennials. I common response I hear is "it's not us. It's that you're a bad employer who doesn't know how to run a business. You have to adapt to us. We're different. We're not robots like your generation. Hopefully you'll go out of business and lose to someone who knows how to run their business around our lifestyles." I'm not even joking! Boy are these kids in for a shock when they start businesses of their own and realize that things like punctuality and reliability aren't just draconian forms of punishment to frustrate people's whims.

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Re: Going through a list of job applicants....sheesh 2016/08/06 13:49:31 (permalink)
 Human Resources is an oxymoron.
 
 There have been stories of when people were being interviewed that were asked for their facebook password. Some states are considering laws against this invasion of privacy.  Many working professionals have dumped social media.
 
 To work in public education after spending an hour or two filling an online application next comes the Gallup "survey". Many have warned to answer them as politically correct as possible.
 
 

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Re: Going through a list of job applicants....sheesh 2016/08/06 14:02:40 (permalink)
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Ditto with me and immigrants. My absolute hardest workers hands down have been Columbian and Equadorian. I've told this to people before and got "yeah right I bet it's because you can exploit them." NO! I pay them exactly the same as anyone else and it's all above board - many Ecuadorians for instance are here legally because of the TPS amnesty which was put in place after the earthquake in 2001 and are fully legal to work. It's not that they're easily exploitable - they're not, they wouldn't take any crap like that. They don't need to allow themselves to be exploited because they're such good workers and hence like gold dust to an employer.

I'll tell you what's funny is when you bring this problem with the Millennial work ethic up around Millennials. I common response I hear is "it's not us. It's that you're a bad employer who doesn't know how to run a business. You have to adapt to us. We're different. We're not robots like your generation. Hopefully you'll go out of business and lose to someone who knows how to run their business around our lifestyles." I'm not even joking! Boy are these kids in for a shock when they start businesses of their own and realize that things like punctuality and reliability aren't just draconian forms of punishment to frustrate people's whims.



 Sometimes with immigrants I think knowing a culture is far better than language.  This week I had some "immigrants" using my electricity for a condo project.  For political correctness sake some are used in areas of customer service'
 
As for Millennials I could exhaust the internet on that. Most of the blame is on public education an universities where the standards were set by people who couldn't hold a different job.  I'm not talking about knowledge but relationships where authority is involved.  They are conditioned to believe there is no consequence disrespecting a teacher but reality hits when they have a boss.   I'm seeing more entry level jobs fill by adults and the elderly. I do believe part of that is they are more responsible, respectful, and not on their phone ever single second. Watch kids working in a grocery store. When they have to walk to an aisle out comes the phone.
   

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Re: Going through a list of job applicants....sheesh 2016/08/07 00:08:45 (permalink)
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 There have been stories of when people were being interviewed that were asked for their facebook password. Some states are considering laws against this invasion of privacy.  Many working professionals have dumped social media.



I think you'll just find that they changed their name on their Facebook and Twitter and set everything to "private." I have a few Facebook friends like that. One guy I know goes by a girl's name on Facebook and has his gender set to female. Of course he doesn't use his real profile pic either. Honestly in this day and age I'm always amazed by people who leave all their social media stuff public. 

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Re: Going through a list of job applicants....sheesh 2016/08/07 00:16:16 (permalink)
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As for Millennials I could exhaust the internet on that. Most of the blame is on public education an universities where the standards were set by people who couldn't hold a different job.  I'm not talking about knowledge but relationships where authority is involved.  They are conditioned to believe there is no consequence disrespecting a teacher but reality hits when they have a boss.   I'm seeing more entry level jobs fill by adults and the elderly. I do believe part of that is they are more responsible, respectful, and not on their phone ever single second. Watch kids working in a grocery store. When they have to walk to an aisle out comes the phone.
 

 
You might like this story about a outraged young intern who started a petition against the dress code at work and was shocked when he got fired. It made me laugh anyway. 
 
http://reason.com/blog/20...dress-code-petition-is
 
 
 

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Re: Going through a list of job applicants....sheesh 2016/08/07 04:03:44 (permalink)
Love it!!! 

 
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Re: Going through a list of job applicants....sheesh 2016/08/07 04:26:59 (permalink)
As someone who is going to have to have surgery on both of my feet in the near future, I have radically different opinion about the above post.  I personally are not looking forward to losing feeling in a large part if not all of both of my feet when they surgically remove the damaged nerves.  It will be a relief to be able to walk without pain though.
 
The cause of my trauma is probably a combination of genetics and the long term use of unsuitable footwear.  The footwear I have worn during my working life has been of the type required by my employers, whether it be leather soled dress shoes to match a three piece suit, or steel capped work boots at a factory, the latter which I was supplied with, I have complied with the wishes of my employers and relevant government health and safety standards.
 
I do not currently have access to pubmed at home as I am not a doctor or a currently enrolled medical student, so I cant easily pull up a long list of supporting research for my opinon.
 
Below is a link to the first page of one study I was able to quickly find on google, which should give u rough idea though
http://jbjs.org/content/76/10/1586
 
Personally I think that if an employer enforces a dress code then they should be finacially held liable in future for any medical claims that are a result/partial result of such a requirement, ie, should be sued for damages.

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Re: Going through a list of job applicants....sheesh 2016/08/07 06:24:18 (permalink)
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Personally I think that if an employer enforces a dress code then they should be finacially held liable in future for any medical claims that are a result/partial result of such a requirement, ie, should be sued for damages.




 
What if a building contractor didn't enforce the wearing of safety equipment such as steel-toed boots and hard hats? Should they be sued if someone was injured through not wearing such?

 
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Re: Going through a list of job applicants....sheesh 2016/08/07 08:28:13 (permalink)
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Personally I think that if an employer enforces a dress code then they should be finacially held liable in future for any medical claims that are a result/partial result of such a requirement, ie, should be sued for damages.




 
What if a building contractor didn't enforce the wearing of safety equipment such as steel-toed boots and hard hats? Should they be sued if someone was injured through not wearing such?


To clarify in some work places you are required to wear a certain BRAND and STYLE, as approved by management, unfortunately when it comes to humans, one size does not fit all, and foot sizing and shape are no exception.
 
In my country the qualifier is that an employer must provide a safe working environment for their employees, no matter if its a building site, shop or an office, and the appropriate level safety gear is required to be in supply and worn, it is a shared responsibility in that regard.
 
As far as I am aware, there is no requirement that the safety gear be comfortable or proper fitting in order to prevent long term harm to an employee.  The safety equipment is tested for external trauma, not trauma from extended use of ill fitting equipment.
 
To put it into a better perspective, If you wear ill fitting or badly designed shoes for long enough, you will have to see a foot doctor for some kind of issue, or just put up with the pain providing of course you live long enough.  If you were inadequate safety footwear, then you increase your risk of injury in the case of an accident which may or may not happen.  One is guaranteed cost in the future, the other a risk of a cost.
 
I do not know if you have worked in management or in government, or if you have had any training on site safety risk assessments which are in my country compulsory for all, if not the majority of work sites. You may or may not bew familiar with FREQUENCY vs PROBABILITY RISK ASSESSMENT methodology, which is the most commonly used tool for determining what level of protective clothing or other safety measures are needed in the workplaces I have been in.  I am also sure that I am not qualified to teach you if you do not.
 
What I do know from personal experience is, that if you complain about footwear being uncomfortable, you will be laughed at, told 'stop complaining and get back to work'.  You may even be told that 'it is normal, do not worry about it', or even, 'I have the same problem, you will get used to it'.  If you persist, depending on the management you have, and your relationship with them, there is a good chance you will be fired and told 'good luck elsewhere'.  These are things I have witnessed, or been part of, not imagined examples.
 
Sorry for the long answer, but you did just ask a how long is a piece of string type question.
 
If you let people where comfortable shoes that fit the safety profile of the work site
 
Anyway, I did not argue that people should not wear safety gear, I was stating that wearing a compulsory uniform can be harmful to a person, so for health reasons alone, there needs to be at least some flexibility in choice, before you get to the stage where you start having to produce medical certificates to exclude you from the company dress code, and if an employer prevents you from such a choice and you develop a problem, they should be at least partially accountable.  Someone has to pay the medical costs, either the insurance company, government, patient or employer, and in the case of the employer stating 'you must wear this', should they not be accountable?
 
 

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Re: Going through a list of job applicants....sheesh 2016/08/07 09:34:22 (permalink)
You're really just talking about shoes, aren't you? I really cannot imagine any other 'enforced dress code' that would do you medical harm over time.
 
Here's what I'd do - if I was required by the company I work for to wear a certain type of shoe, and they supplied me shoes that hurt my feet, I'd buy myself some shoes in the same style that fitted properly. In other words, I'd take responsibility for my own well-being.
 
Anyway, that's enough imaginary scenarios for one day. I hope your surgery goes well.
 
 

 
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Re: Going through a list of job applicants....sheesh 2016/08/07 09:48:24 (permalink)
So... a bit more on the guy who didn't think a DUI arrest was an arrest that "counted".  He was supposed to be an experienced electrician. 
 
Day one.... he shows up with no tools. I asked... he lost his tools.  So I go buy him the basics to get started. I asked ... can you run EMT conduit?  Yes sir!!  OK I need a conduit from here.... across the ceiling, turn it down the wall and into a box,  there. Total of less than 40' and most of it a straight run. I even bent and installed the first piece to get him on the ceiling and the chalk line.  I left to do some other work with the instructions to come get me when you finish. It was 8am.  9am..... 9:30am...... 10am..... no helper. This should have been a 20 minute job and it was past 2 hrs.  I walked to the room, looked through the door and saw my "experienced helper"  had run ONE piece of straight conduit and it was hanging with one strap. I walked in and asked what seemed to be the holdup. he says,,,,Man this is hard.... I had to finish the run.... and it took me all of 5 minutes.
 
By the end of the day, he had managed to screw up several other things including a wire pull by not following my instructions..Pull 2 wires from here to there and four wires from there to the panel....he pulled 2 the entire way so I had to have him go back, and do the other 2 wires..... and I had to help him because once again, he took more than twice as long to pull those wires as it should have. Then he seemed to fail to grasp the simple concept of adding two more wires...... Aye Carramba!!! We were out of town, so I simply bit my tongue and had him sweeping up. I fired him when we got back to town which I came back a day early and went back the following week alone to finish the job correctly.  I fired him but the state had also sent me a letter requiring me to fire him.....PLUS.... the social services office sent a letter requiring me to pay them directly a part of his weekly paycheck for child support.... By the time I deducted all that and the tools, he ended up with a few dollars total.

After that, I never hired another guy to assist me again. The guy before him was pretty good and was a good helper but liked to take a few days off now and then and finally he just didn't show up. He was actually learning to do the advanced stuff like the final wiring of the systems at the doors and doing it correctly and with perfect alignment on the hardware.

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