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Bouncing the Master bus to a track, and routing that track's output directly to Main Outs should give you an accurate rendering of the 'live' mix, and the resulting WAV file will be identical to an export of the Master bus. I do it all the time.

 
As do I. The only thing that trips me up is if I forget to "Select All" prior to bouncing when there's a track inside a track folder that's not selected, and I don't see it.
 
I often bounce mixes represented by different Mix Recalls so I can A/B rapidly between them.
 

bgl1
pwalpwal:
 
I cannot say for certain what prompted chuckebaby's response, but i'm guessing that since he rightfully believes that the way to automate tracks is by using lanes not automating on top of clips...and...exporting a mix is the way to create a stereo mix of a full session.
 
He's not wrong about these things, but if the manual says I can select automation on ALL selected tracks, no lanes required...and if the manual says I can bounce to tracks right inside the same session, but I can't do either of these things, despite all the tech support previously and all the updates...well...Sonar Platinum doesn't work as stated.
 
It doesn't get any simpler than that.

@bgl1  I have followed this thread with some small amusement I can completely relate to your problem and have experienced the same and other GUI glitches that Cakewalk has done nothing about ( some going back years) first let me say that I have been using cakewalk since the dawn of time and it has its issues for sure. I am also a computer tech and know how to set up a system optimized for audio production and I have been using Sonar full time everyday in a Professional environment for quite some time. 
 
1.) All those arguing about the OPs methodology are missing something You can have an "Automation View" of sorts that differs from using track lanes. When in Track View selecting from CLIPS to AUTOMATION in the drop down menu of the track pane then selecting the desired automation achieves this. Stop telling people to change the way they work to circumvent an obvious problem, the answer is to have the devs do their job and fix it not wasting time and efforts rolling out Theme Editors 
 
2.) I have had the same problem with automation lanes not showing up and not closing/opening As you have described I believe it is due to some form of corruption in the Sonar code ( My workaround is to make an entirely different automation selection then reselect the one I originally intended this fixed it mostly but was still a PITA My attempts at resolution through appropriate channels fell on deaf ears.
I choose not to use automation take lanes because they often times don't show all of my automation(another issue)
 
I can also confirm your issue with not being able to CTRL select multiple INSTRUMENT track automation lanes 
 
3.) Why would one use EXPORT to bounce a 2bus mix which would be taking it out of the Daw session? Bounce to tracks is the appropriate way to combine your tracks into a stereo image which can then be further processed in the mastering stage. After mastering you would then EXPORT that as a finished track. The EXPORT function would also be used for bouncing stems for use in another DAW. Obviously, there are many ways to work but before one comments they should at least take into consideration that someone may actually be experiencing a bug or flaw in the program and all of these different workflows should be working as advertised.
 
I feel your pain I love Sonar and its advertised feature set but the Devs lack of support and concern regarding real issues is getting old.
I am still waiting over a month now for a response to an email thread that just seems to have been abandoned by tech support? and having to continuously reinstall does not work in a production environment. 
 
Post your system setup Hard and Soft and we can compare notes hopefully we can convince the Devs to take notice if we can find more of us that are experiencing similar issues. 
Cheers, 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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pwalpwal:
 
I cannot say for certain what prompted chuckebaby's response, but i'm guessing that since he rightfully believes that the way to automate tracks is by using lanes not automating on top of clips...and...exporting a mix is the way to create a stereo mix of a full session.
 
He's not wrong about these things, but if the manual says I can select automation on ALL selected tracks, no lanes required...and if the manual says I can bounce to tracks right inside the same session, but I can't do either of these things, despite all the tech support previously and all the updates...well...Sonar Platinum doesn't work as stated.
 
It doesn't get any simpler than that.

 
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maybe the docs (manual) just needs updating to match the latest variation, if the function descriptions don't sync with the actual functionality?anyone involved in software development knows that the docs are the last thing to get done...
 
still i don't get the stroppy "We are not paid tech support" response - why bother responding at all?

 
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pwalpwal:
 
I think chuckebaby was trying to be helpful the way he understands that.
I sorta think that if it works for him it should work for anybody. well...that is partially correct but we all have our preferences.
 
as for updating docs...I had cakewalk tech support log into my PC a few times in the 1st half of 2016. each time they did not understand why things were not acting properly. even after all the updates yesterday, things are still not functioning properly...and I need to get some more music finished on a DAW that works as promised...and Sonar Platinum ain't doin' it.

 
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If the synth isnt mixing down properly - try freezing it.  The automation lanes are really convenient once you get used to how they work, and one of the ways Sonar can help you.  Sonar is capabale of a great many things, often when I can't get something to work the way I think It should, it has been because I unintentionally was telling it to do something else.
 
By Instrument track - what exactly are you referring to?  Soft Synth?  Every soft synth in sonar requires a midi input track, and an audio output track.

 
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I've learned one thing about Sonar,, there is always more than one way to accomplish the same task. So my answer was based on the method I found works the best, every time, for me. 
Automation used to be drawn over top of the track but this is one of the little things that changed with new releases and take lanes. At first I and many others hated take lanes, but then you "get it" and move on. If you don't like it you always have other Daw's. But I tried that too and Sonar still has most of what I need so I'm commited. 
I'm totally aware of bounce to track but as others have pointed out most would use that to tidy up an overcrowded project.
 Have you tried the export feature? 

 
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chuckebaby
I don't mind offering my help to people but when it appears as if those people don't want it, OR don't appreciate it. I have no further interest.
im guessing others will feel the same. We are not paid tech support, we are users just like you offering up our help free of charge because we like to see people like you be able to make music without issue.
with that being said, im done here.
 
Good luck

i can't tell from the thread what prompted this response?

its the quotes like : "Not true" ... or "Wrong again"  or the CAPS !!! that in particular find condescending.
 
I have no problem being wrong...I do that all the time .
 
as I said good luck.
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pwalpwal
maybe the docs (manual) just needs updating to match the latest variation, if the function descriptions don't sync with the actual functionality?anyone involved in software development knows that the docs are the last thing to get done... still i don't get the stroppy "We are not paid tech support" response - why bother responding at all?

well rather than looking for a reason what prompted my response why not help the guy out and open up sonar and try and repro it ?
that's what I did last night and here's what I found.

bgl1
just tried switching all selected tracks from waveforms to automation view and back.
still not working.

  
I just opened up a project held down control and clicked the edit filer button switched to automation/volume.
All 7 lanes opened automation in the waveform (not a lane).
 
so it does work. I was going to help him with his second issue but its not worth it.
im not going to open up sonar, repro, close sonar, come back here and try and trouble shoot a problem when I feel like im talking to someone who doesn't want my advise. or is going to tell me...
"wrong...or Wrong again...or the CAPS.
 
hey im a reasonable guy. I help people because I enjoy it.
im not enjoying this. im out. 
 
I hope this explains a little better in detail.
 

 
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