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Re: New Bechstein Grand from ... Bechstein
2016/12/17 22:15:50
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☄ Helpfulby pentimentosound 2016/12/18 09:14:00
Something you all might want, for the full pedal configs... found this little company out while searching for multi-cc pedals for expression/volume/breath controller to usb... Rob is an awesome dude: AudiofrontVery rapid response to my questions on his forum Reasons to use MIDI Expression- You want hands-free control of your DAW or other music software.
- You want to use different pedals without needing to mess with any settings.
- You want to turn your pedals and footswitches into MIDI foot controllers.
- You need a compact and hassle-free pedal interface for your live performances.
- You want to give your virtual piano all the pedals found on a regular piano.
- You want to trigger velocity sensitive notes with an expression pedal.
- You want a hands-free way to audition patch changes and presets.
Check out some videos and have a look at the manual to see if MIDI Expression is right for you. "Simplicity and reliability, what more do you need?" -- Brad from Canada OverviewMIDI Expression devices are class compliant USB MIDI pedal interfaces. Pedal sensing technology built into each device automatically loads custom presets when various types of pedals are plugged in, allowing them to support a whole range of pedals with zero fuss. This functionality is enhanced by a preset editor application that gives demanding users all the control they need and exposes powerful features that let you do more with your pedals. Intelligent Design Pedal Sensing Technology  Feature rich preset editor  Class compliant implementation  Parameter feedback and persistence  Polarity reversing inputs  Ultra compact and portable Do More with your Pedals Get two functions from one pedal  Fine tune pedal response curves  Send key commands  Trigger velocity sensitive notes  Use Linked footswtich modes  Rechannelize MIDI Data
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Re: New Bechstein Grand from ... Bechstein
2016/12/17 23:51:57
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Re: New Bechstein Grand from ... Bechstein
2016/12/18 09:32:11
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Re: New Bechstein Grand from ... Bechstein
2016/12/18 16:11:54
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pentimentosound
Well, after listening to the demos.... I'd better start saving up for Kontakt and the Bechstein! Wow.
and thanks Vastman for the AudioFront link didn't know about them. The only one I had found for breath control was http://www.tecontrol.se/products/usb-midi-breath-bite-controller-2
Michael
I agree! ew's Bechstein was boring to my ole ears but this is lovely... hope to make loads of $ on the house sale! Then I'll have time to learn to really play and become a piano slut like Fleer! Breath controller also on my list... Thanks, Michael!
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Re: New Bechstein Grand from ... Bechstein
2016/12/18 17:04:42
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You're quite welcome and I appreciate finding out about AudioFront!
Too cold here, to consider selling the house, maybe in the spring...... LOL
Maybe they'll both go on sale.....
Michael
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Re: New Bechstein Grand from ... Bechstein
2016/12/19 02:58:33
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Found this Uboob shoot out of virtual pianos made 2½ yrs ago from $30 to $679. Not surprising they all sound very similar but for very very slight improvement the higher priced they go. One of the NI's had a nasty side affect on a couple notes. The $679 example sounds best but way way too much. I'd put it on the same shelf as this one and the rest on the shelf below it. Today's prices may vary from 2014. Then there's this.
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Re: New Bechstein Grand from ... Bechstein
2016/12/19 07:12:44
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Fleer
Did you check the velocity issue with support? Would be interested to know their view on this.
I sent them the above info and a screenshot of the velocity histogram. Got a reply Sunday night: "thank you for your message and detailed feedback. We're working hard to find out whats going on here exactly. We will respond to your question shortly. Best regards"
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Re: New Bechstein Grand from ... Bechstein
2016/12/22 05:43:14
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☄ Helpfulby Fleer 2016/12/22 19:45:13
Velocity issue was mainly in the DETAILS tab SHAPE control and me not knowing what it was or how to use it. I set it to flat 50% and it evened things out. Cool that you can change this depending on your style of playing. Have to give their support response time and effort in helping customers a big thumbs up. They seem really interested in getting issues solved. 
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Re: New Bechstein Grand from ... Bechstein
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/02/14 08:09:51
"Until some genius comes up with the solution for having the other 87 strings vibrating in sympathetic harmonic resonance when you strike a single key, then all we will have is yet another beautifully sampled piano, discrete, dry and disconnected from the cornucopia of musical vibration that is .... a piano." - thehightenor (Gearslutz) Revisiting this thought since I did a simple comparison on a real piano. 1st, when you sample a single key, you're getting whatever resonance it makes along with it in the sample, no?! So... ehh! Maybe, maybe not. 2nd, I recorded samples of each note in one octave. Then recorded a few 2 and 3 key chords from that octave, placed them all in Sonar to compare and... to my surprize.... and disbelief.... the layered individual notes played together sounded nicer and fuller than the single chord samples. So why do sampled pianos sound so "flat"? We may need to ask Mr. Owl. 
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Re: New Bechstein Grand from ... Bechstein
2017/02/14 09:07:35
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I have a foot pedal that came with my Alesis QS7.1 keyboard that hooks up via (I believe) a 1/4 inch jack. I only use my keyboard as a midi controller.....will that foot pedal work on the midi controller? (as you can tell, I'm not a keyboardist and haven't really looked into it )
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Re: New Bechstein Grand from ... Bechstein
2017/02/14 09:26:50
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2017/02/14 15:48:35
Mesh It will work as a sustain pedal in all probability, but not as any kind of expression controller. It's on or off and "temporarily latched on" (meaning while you hold it down). The polarity of the pedal may require you plugging it in and then turning on your keyboard, so it can "work out" which polarity to use.
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Re: New Bechstein Grand from ... Bechstein
2017/02/14 09:40:41
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Thanks Michael.......will try plugging it in & turn on the Alesis. I was watching some of those BBC2 vids and that's a very nice tool to have.......just no way I can justify buying that though (especially with my (lack of) keyboard skills). 
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Re: New Bechstein Grand from ... Bechstein
2017/02/14 09:52:09
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My pleasure, Mesh. I still haven't got the BBC2, though I think it would be a blast to mess with. I, too, am a guitarist with less keyboard skills than I'd like to have! But I love to play mine and have done, for 50 years off and on. I doodle on them, everyday, but ought to take some lessons/advice on how to advance my skills "more and faster". I have 2 good friends who are expert at it, and would love to learn "a few (like billions!) things".
Good luck with the pedal. I'm sure it will work. Most keyboards have been able to "adjust to the pedal's polarity" for some time.
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Re: New Bechstein Grand from ... Bechstein
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2017/02/14 15:48:28
If you're playing while recording MIDI, most single pedals will work as a sustain (64) trigger. Pushing down adds a 127 cc (full ON). Lifting up adds a 0 cc (full OFF). In Sonar, any value above 0 will be read as full ON. Of course, you can add these values manually in PRV & STAFF view so a pedal isn't required, tho that can be pretty tedious. The On/Off action is somewhat limiting as a real pedal can be controlled throughout the full range between ON and OFF, but few if any synths can do that. Read up in your manual if there's any thing else it will do. My synth can use a double pedal ( VFP2). The left one can be set to sostenuto (66), an on/off switch for the built in sequencer, or unused. The right one can be set to sustain (64) or an on/off switch for the built in sequencer. It also has a 2nd jack for CVP-1 pedal that can be set as a Volume (7) pedal, a Modulation (4) pedal, or a Touch controller which controls how hard the keys are played (soft, medium, firm, & hard). Some synths can use a triple pedal ( VFP3).
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Re: New Bechstein Grand from ... Bechstein
2017/02/14 15:48:18
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Mesh - here's a clip from your Alesis manual: The QS keyboard has three back-panel pedal jacks, marked [SUS PEDAL], [PEDAL 1] and [PEDAL 2]. [SUS PEDAL] is designed to work with any standard momentary footswitch. It doesn’t matter whether the footswitch is normally open or closed, so long as you plug it into the jack before powering up your QS; the instrument will automatically sense the footswitch’s polarity and calibrate itself accordingly. [PEDAL 1] and [PEDAL 2]. are designed to work with a Roland EV-5 volume pedal (or its equivalent). The QS’s factory defaults assign sustain to the [SUS PEDAL] jack and overall instrument volume to the [PEDAL 1] jack, but you can change these settings at any time if you want to. There are lots of interesting possibilities to explore. A starter example: using a footswitch to turn vibrato on in a program, and using a volume-type pedal to control vibrato speed. If your sustain footswitch responds backwards (i.e., notes sustain unless the footswitch is pressed), then turn off your QS and make sure the footswitch plug is fully inserted into the [SUS PEDAL] jack. When it is, turn the instrument’s power back on while keeping your foot off the footswitch.
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