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2016/10/29 10:09:41 (permalink)

Migrating from Sonar X3e to Platinum

First, let me apologize up front for posting a thread which I'm sure has been submitted many times before and answered in plenty! :)
 
And secondly, let me thank all of you up front who reply to my questions. I've been a Cakewalk user for about 16 years now and have gone through the previous versions and have been till now, and quite satisfactorily might I add, using Sonar Producer X3e.
 
I have just made the leap and purchased Sonar Platinum with the lifetime updates. I mean really? What's to complain about with this fantastic offer? ;) 
 
I have a few questions and I will certainly make the effort to thoroughly review these forums for the expert advice given and to see if I can answer my own questions as well.
 
When I install Platinum, will all of my X3 settings be retained? And will I be able to use X3 if I should need any backwards compatibility? I am a registered user of the full versions of Addictive Drums 2 and TH2 (and numerous other VST's and VSTi's) and will the Platinum install overwrite any of my settings and will I be able to use these full versions within Platinum and not the LE / SE editions?
 
I have many more questions but as I stated, I will make the effort to seek them on my own either in this forum and the Internet overall (But I can't promise that this will be my one and only post on the subject!) :)
 
Thank you again to all who take the time to educate me on some of my concerns. i also welcome any tips and tricks that you may be willing to offer me. I'm psyched and can't wait to being using Platinum.
 
Best regards,
Steve
 
p.s. I am thrilled to see that Craig Anderton frequents these forums as I have been a fan of his FOR YEARS and welcome all of his experience and insights. I can't believe the knowledge that he puts out there for all of us to absorb!
 
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Re: Migrating from Sonar X3e to Platinum 2016/10/29 10:35:45 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby TrueGrit 2016/10/29 12:16:54
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I have just made the leap and purchased Sonar Platinum with the lifetime updates. I mean really? What's to complain about with this fantastic offer? ;) 

 
well done. you won't regret.
 
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When I install Platinum, will all of my X3 settings be retained? And will I be able to use X3 if I should need any backwards compatibility? I am a registered user of the full versions of Addictive Drums 2 and TH2 (and numerous other VST's and VSTi's) and will the Platinum install overwrite any of my settings and will I be able to use these full versions within Platinum and not the LE / SE editions?

 
yes. yes. and yes. meaning x3e will stay as a separate installation, nothing will be overwritten and you can use AD2, etc in either Platinum or X3e ... however, after a short while you won't go back to X3e anymore.
 

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Re: Migrating from Sonar X3e to Platinum 2016/10/29 10:40:20 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby TrueGrit 2016/10/29 12:16:59
 
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When I install Platinum, will all of my X3 settings be retained?

There is an option to migrate settings when SONAR Platinum is run for the first time. Cakewalk recommends you do not do it. Instead let the new SONAR setup with defaults and adjust it as needed.
 
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And will I be able to use X3 if I should need any backwards compatibility?

For the most part SONAR is backward compatible. Of course, new features will not be available in X3. One exception is projects containing patch points and aux tracks will not load in X3.
 
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I am a registered user of the full versions of Addictive Drums 2 and TH2 (and numerous other VST's and VSTi's) and will the Platinum install overwrite any of my settings and will I be able to use these full versions within Platinum and not the LE / SE editions?
The new install will not affect AD2 or the full version of TH2. You will get an AD2 product key for 3 more Kitpaks, 3 more MIDIPaks and 3 instruments. Plug-ins such as the bundled AAS and TruePianos are completely separate from the full versions.
 
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Re: Migrating from Sonar X3e to Platinum 2016/10/29 10:59:11 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby TrueGrit 2016/10/29 12:17:02
I was going to answer but Scook and Rob answered already. However, if you have a question and I have the answer I'll try to be the first to answer. LOL 
 
I think you are going to like the upgrade very much. 

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Re: Migrating from Sonar X3e to Platinum 2016/10/29 12:21:15 (permalink)
To Rob, Scook and John,
 
Many thanks for such quick replies!
 
I am certainly looking forward to using Platinum and I don't anticipate a lot of obstacles, if any, although i'm sure to come across some differences between Platinum and X3.
 
Regards,
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Re: Migrating from Sonar X3e to Platinum 2016/10/30 11:39:27 (permalink)
Question - I have previously purchased all of the Pro Channel modules. Will my Platinum install recognize these as being in my Cakewalk account and install them by default or will I need to download and install them separately? I am going to go with Scook's suggestion of not migrating my previous X3 settings so I'm not sure what the outcome will ultimately be.

I'm waiting for my registration codes and hopefully by tomorrow I'll have the install going.

Thanks.

Steve

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Re: Migrating from Sonar X3e to Platinum 2016/10/30 12:01:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby TrueGrit 2016/10/30 13:34:49
The ProChannel modules not bundled with SONAR are treated like any other plug-in. If they are already installed and running in X3, Platinum will pick them up. If they are not installed, you will have to install them as they are not part of the Platinum package.
 
If you purchased directly from Cakewalk, the registration information should already be in your account. If you purchased from a reseller, the registration information is placed in your account immediate upon entering the redemption code provided by the reseller on this page.
 
Depending on how you install Platinum, you may not need your registration information. Registration is handled automatically by the Command Center. You might want to take some time and review the installation process detailed in the help and the supporting videos


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Re: Migrating from Sonar X3e to Platinum 2016/10/30 12:15:15 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby TrueGrit 2016/10/30 13:34:53
Just a few more tips:
 
If you have already installed Melodyne with X3 skip installing it again with Platinum. It is the same product. Once installed all Melodyne updates are handled directly from your Celemony account
 
There is no need to install DPro or Rapture again. They are unchanged from X3.
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Re: Migrating from Sonar X3e to Platinum 2016/10/30 13:34:10 (permalink)
Scook,

Once again, thanks for the quick reply and information. I did order Platinum from a reseller and am waiting for the redemption code.

It's good to know that the install should be pretty seamless and that the Pro Channel modules will be picked up in the install process.

Regards,
Steve

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Re: Migrating from Sonar X3e to Platinum 2016/10/31 15:54:54 (permalink)
Okay, downloading Platinum now through the Command Center. Since I'm waiting, I have a question concerning Addictive Drums 2. I have the full version with practically all of the add on kits and MIDI paks. (with the exception of around 3 or 4. How convenient!) :)
 
Since my Platinum purchase includes 3 additional kits and paks, how do I go about adding them? Through my XLN installer or through the VST once it's opened up in Sonar? I would think that I will need a registration number with XLN and thus far (again, I'm still downloading so I'm basing this on first glance) I haven't seen any in my Cakewalk account.
 
Thanks again for any and all who reply.
 
Best regards,
Steve

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Re: Migrating from Sonar X3e to Platinum 2016/10/31 16:17:30 (permalink)
You already have the XLN installer so that part of these instructions can be ignored
http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013382/Addictive-Drums-2-Installation-Instructions but the rest applies. This is no different than if you purchased a custom bundle from a reseller. Once you have decided which 3 adpaks, midipaks and instruments you want either enter the product code in your account https://www.xlnaudio.com/myaccount-myproducts or register the product code in the XLN installer. Then make your selections and download/install the products.
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Re: Migrating from Sonar X3e to Platinum 2016/10/31 16:23:12 (permalink)
Scook,
 
Thanks as always for such quick informative replies. I'm looking forward to putting Platinum to work!
 
Best regards,
Steve

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Re: Migrating from Sonar X3e to Platinum 2016/10/31 16:42:42 (permalink)
My migration from Xe to Platinum went as smooth as silk. Now, however, when I record a MIDI track there is an audio track created at the same time. If I edit the MIDI, however, the audio does not change. I used to have to bounce the MIDI to create an audio track. How do I stop SONAR from making this audio track? Thanks!

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Re: Migrating from Sonar X3e to Platinum 2016/10/31 16:58:31 (permalink)
Well I sort of figured it out. If I only enable the MIDI track record button then it only records MIDI and does not produce an audio track. But in my former Xe setup the audio record button was not enabled by default. Is this a case of "it's not a bug it's a feature!"?
 
 

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Re: Migrating from Sonar X3e to Platinum 2016/10/31 17:04:50 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby reberclark 2016/10/31 21:05:15
Don't arm the audio track. One of the new features since X3 is soft synth audio recording. It allows you to record audio in addition to MIDI. You may want to review the changes since X3 here http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR&language=3&help=NewFeatures.001.html
 
Please consider posting questions not related to installation in a new thread.
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Re: Migrating from Sonar X3e to Platinum 2016/10/31 17:06:36 (permalink)
Ah! Thanks! And I will post anything else in the appropriate thread. 
 

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Re: Migrating from Sonar X3e to Platinum 2016/10/31 20:29:44 (permalink)
The install went without a hitch!
All seems fine thus far and I've been opening up several saved projects and I'm happy to say that all of them are loading and playing as they should be and all VST'S that are part of the projects are loading as they should as well. And man, do I love the default color scheme and I know I'm going to have fun with changing themes and the various screen elements!
 
When I first opened Platinum I got a Windows task bar prompt stating that Platinum was in demo mode and saving was disabled but after opening up the Command Center and then closing and reopening Platinum, all was operating as normal and saving was then enabled. 
 
Next up is getting my Addictive Drum add ons and THEN start resuming to MAKE MUSIC!
 
One thing I'd like to ask is how often do most users check for updates or will Cakewalk send out an email whenever an update is available?
 
And lastly, I can't thank Scook enough (and initially Rob and John) for replying so quickly with the questions I asked and I will certainly touch base with the good folks in this forum should I need any professional assistance.
 
Regards,
Steve
 
 

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Re: Migrating from Sonar X3e to Platinum 2016/10/31 20:42:36 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby reberclark 2016/10/31 21:05:03
There is a release every month. About a week before the official release, an early release version announcement in placed in the sticky section of this forum. The official release is accompanied by an email. Should there be an update to an official release, Cakewalk sends out an email. The official announcement includes a link to an ezine which contains information about the update. There is also a page contain past (including ezine back issues) and future update information here. Do not feel obligated to update every month. All updates are cumulative. The Command Center will show you which installers have been updated.
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Re: Migrating from Sonar X3e to Platinum 2016/11/01 12:28:15 (permalink)
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When I install Platinum, will all of my X3 settings be retained? And will I be able to use X3 if I should need any backwards compatibility? I am a registered user of the full versions of Addictive Drums 2 and TH2 (and numerous other VST's and VSTi's) and will the Platinum install overwrite any of my settings and will I be able to use these full versions within Platinum and not the LE / SE editions?

 
I just did the same a few months ago.
Platinum grabbed all of my settings other than the theme, which was an easy change back to making it look like X3e.
Addictive Drums 2 worked from the gitgo - AND - I got 2 (maybe it was 4? can't remember) more free kits with the upgrade to Platinum - BUT - it wasn't easy to figure out how to actually get them.
See this thread for how to get it done:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/Help-understanding-whats-included-in-Platinum-Addictive-Drums-m3478482.aspx#3478734

One other thing that I needed to do was disable plugin window recycling.
P > VST Settings > uncheck the box.

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Re: Migrating from Sonar X3e to Platinum 2016/11/01 14:11:50 (permalink)
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When I install Platinum, will all of my X3 settings be retained? And will I be able to use X3 if I should need any backwards compatibility? I am a registered user of the full versions of Addictive Drums 2 and TH2 (and numerous other VST's and VSTi's) and will the Platinum install overwrite any of my settings and will I be able to use these full versions within Platinum and not the LE / SE editions?

 
I just did the same a few months ago.
Platinum grabbed all of my settings other than the theme, which was an easy change back to making it look like X3e.
Addictive Drums 2 worked from the gitgo - AND - I got 2 (maybe it was 4? can't remember) more free kits with the upgrade to Platinum - BUT - it wasn't easy to figure out how to actually get them.
See this thread for how to get it done:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/Help-understanding-whats-included-in-Platinum-Addictive-Drums-m3478482.aspx#3478734

One other thing that I needed to do was disable plugin window recycling.
P > VST Settings > uncheck the box.


Steve,

Glad to hear that the migration went smoothly for you. And I actuality like the default Platinum theme. To me the black kinda pops out and is easier on my eyes. But I am going to have fun with changing up the themes and elements.

Regarding AD2, Scook was right on with his post. All I had to do was input the serial number that Cakewalk provided me in my account and register it with XLN Audio through the online installer. Once I did that, I was immediately offered a choice of Kits, MIDI paks and kit pieces that I didn't already have.

I have a question for you - What do you mean by 'disable plugin window recycling'?

Regards,
Steve

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Re: Migrating from Sonar X3e to Platinum 2016/11/01 14:15:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Steve_Karl 2016/11/01 14:52:42
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Re: Migrating from Sonar X3e to Platinum 2016/11/01 14:27:11 (permalink)
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Plug-in Window Recycling
 




Thanks for enlightening me once again Scook. This is good information to know.
 
Regards,
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