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Re: SONAR OS X Alpha 2017/01/28 11:30:07 (permalink)
Yes I paid for the updates because I believed they were pursuing this. I haven't even downloaded since my purchase waiting on OS X. Is cakewalk committed to this.

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Re: SONAR OS X Alpha 2017/01/28 11:34:40 (permalink)
the only response from cakewalk regarding this was on the steam forums last month: http://steamcommunity.com.../1/154644928863808096/
"Still in development. Not much else right now besides that" - all mention has since been removed from the cakewalk website, so who knows?

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Re: SONAR OS X Alpha 2017/03/08 20:20:07 (permalink)
Where's the MAC?
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Re: SONAR OS X Alpha 2017/03/09 05:14:37 (permalink)
if it is still in development (and there has been no word it's not), it will get here when it's ready, if it's not, well . . . you know the drill . . . pitch forks and torches at the ready
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Re: SONAR OS X Alpha 2017/03/18 21:52:39 (permalink)
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if it is still in development (and there has been no word it's not), it will get here when it's ready, if it's not, well . . . you know the drill . . . pitch forks and torches at the ready




That's the real deal, isn't it. There has been no word, at all. They know where this place is. A simple 5 second "new" post saying "we are working on it" wouldn't hurt them, unless they aren't now. Either way I think this silence is a terrible PR move on their part.
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Re: SONAR OS X Alpha 2017/03/18 21:57:38 (permalink)
Cakewalk posted a response to a different thread about a week ago http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3572769
 
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Re: SONAR OS X Alpha 2017/03/18 22:12:11 (permalink)
Apparently not ALL references to OS X have been removed from the site. 
 
From the Cakewalk Blog June 14, 2016
http://blog.cakewalk.com/a-new-era-for-cakewalk/
 
Scroll down to "OS X Compatibility Coming".

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Re: SONAR OS X Alpha 2017/03/18 22:35:16 (permalink)
Too late for me now, I posted in the other thread but it seems closed/answered now so I can't delete my duplicate post (I don't find this a very friendly piece of board software). I have spent some time over the last week looking at Reaper as I have migrated completely to Mac and at long last have ki$$ed off Windows so it is either that or Logic X for me. I have been so pleased with what I have accomplished in a short space of time (my focus is MIDI but I have exercised some AU's and VST's as well as explored the MIDI and audio routing that tomorrow I will push the button on Reaper and there will be no going back. Adios, Cakewalk and Sonar, it has been memorable!
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Re: SONAR OS X Alpha 2017/03/19 02:05:39 (permalink)
all the best to you on your journey, i wish you well, reaper is an excellent and very powerful and daw, you could do much worse than reaper.
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Re: SONAR OS X Alpha 2017/03/19 02:54:56 (permalink)
Many folks around here use more than one DAW.  It's not always an either/or decision.  Some even use PC's and Macs.
 
All DAWs have features and pros/cons, so you need to assess you workflow and decide which tool you want to use for what task.

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Re: SONAR OS X Alpha 2017/03/19 04:11:29 (permalink)
@jamesattfield, i see from the other thread that you had pulled the trigger on life time updates, so if you pull the trigger on reaper as well it's only $60, if the mac version of sonar does materialize you'll still have access to it without any further expense, so you got can have it both ways, if reaper or logic happen to flick your switch your all good, and if the mac version of sonar materializes and you like it your all good. either way your all good, just choose what you like, what suits you best best and go with it.
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Re: SONAR OS X Alpha 2017/03/19 04:39:05 (permalink)
The OSX alpha is free for all. If you happen to have a Sonar Platinum lifetime updates you will also get the full OSX version of Sonar should it materialise.

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Re: SONAR OS X Alpha 2017/03/19 16:58:25 (permalink)
@abacab, your point well taken and I now know that I can work with Reaper as well but I will not work with Windows again so long as they continue down the Win 10 road. I have worked with Windows since it was distributed on diskettes so you can imaging the wrench. That kind of rules out Sonar for the moment.
 
@The Grim - actually I didn't go for the lifetime updates as I did not feel confident in Cakewalk's desire to deliver. If the OSX Alpha ever appears and is free to all I may give it a go out of curiosity, and if it offers something over and above Reaper, as abacab says, why have only one DAW although I would always prefer to know one well than several reasonably. Doesn't stop me buying many synths, though lol
 
@mudgel, good point, I might well be tempted to trial a free alpha BUT where is it? It' s nearly April now and information from Cakewalk is diminishing rather than increasing.
 
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Re: SONAR OS X Alpha 2017/03/25 09:39:17 (permalink)
Cakewalk said that we'd get more info in April.

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Re: SONAR OS X Alpha 2017/03/25 17:31:50 (permalink)
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Cakewalk said that we'd get more info in April.



I can confirm that April is looking like when the Mac direction will get worked out. However as was made clear from the outset, the alpha is to test the waters. So it remains to be seen whether the waters are smooth sailing or a nasty chop.

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Re: SONAR OS X Alpha 2017/03/25 18:58:39 (permalink)
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Cakewalk said that we'd get more info in April.



I can confirm that April is looking like when the Mac direction will get worked out. However as was made clear from the outset, the alpha is to test the waters. So it remains to be seen whether the waters are smooth sailing or a nasty chop.




I am on lifetime updates.
However I have to say, I cannot appreciate the fact the Cakewalk left its potential Mac users hanging with no info till april 17, while something was promised for the fall of all 2016.
Before this I was using Sonar on bootcamp windows 10.
This last month however I began using Reaper 5 on Sierra and really enjoying it.
 
For the moment I am doubting I will ever return to Sonar.
Time will tell. But Cakewalk really pissed me off.
Also I don't like the new Bakery nor the new pricing ( although I have lifetime updates).
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Re: SONAR OS X Alpha 2017/03/25 21:07:22 (permalink)
This is exactly why Cakewalk never used to announce delivery dates, or say what was planned for future updates. But people got really pissed off at that, too. 
 
Fortunately CW was smart enough not to announce the PRV updates until they were known to work well. Meanwhile they had to deal with all the forum posts about how sucky SONAR's PRV implementation was, how they didn't listen to their customers, and how it would never change. You can't win...so you just do the best you can.

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Re: SONAR OS X Alpha 2017/03/25 22:17:57 (permalink)
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This is exactly why Cakewalk never used to announce delivery dates, or say what was planned for future updates. But people got really pissed off at that, too. 
 
Fortunately CW was smart enough not to announce the PRV updates until they were known to work well. Meanwhile they had to deal with all the forum posts about how sucky SONAR's PRV implementation was, how they didn't listen to their customers, and how it would never change. You can't win...so you just do the best you can.




How about correctly informing your customers? Just tell them what is going on.
No marketing b*****t.
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Re: SONAR OS X Alpha 2017/03/26 15:52:59 (permalink)
I already 
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This is exactly why Cakewalk never used to announce delivery dates, or say what was planned for future updates. But people got really pissed off at that, too. 
 
Fortunately CW was smart enough not to announce the PRV updates until they were known to work well. Meanwhile they had to deal with all the forum posts about how sucky SONAR's PRV implementation was, how they didn't listen to their customers, and how it would never change. You can't win...so you just do the best you can.




How about correctly informing your customers? Just tell them what is going on.
 



What was going on was Cakewalk could not make a definitive statement one way or the other. I suppose they could have said "We don't have anything definitive to say" but I think what people wanted was a definitive statement and CW was not prepared to give that. And the ground is always shifting, like the surprising recent survey that showed 50% of Mac Pro Tools users who were going to get a new computer would choose Windows. This article explains why Pro Tools performance continues to improve steadily on Windows and deteriorate equally steadily on Mac OS X. I doubt anyone at CW expected this kind of ongoing performance drop when the Mac version was first contemplated.
 
I agree Cakewalk could have been more transparent and said "you'll most likely still get something, someday" but let's get real, slipping dates is common in this industry, and most companies that announce something and fail to meet a release date clam up because once bitten, twice shy. 
 
FWIW fall 2016 ended on December 21. So technically speaking, the delay in announcing definitive news about the April release was about 90 days. That doesn't seem so incredibly out of line. 

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Re: SONAR OS X Alpha 2017/03/26 16:41:44 (permalink)
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And the ground is always shifting, like the surprising recent survey that showed 50% of Mac Pro Tools users who were going to get a new computer would choose Windows. This article explains why Pro Tools performance continues to improve steadily on Windows and deteriorate equally steadily on Mac OS X. I doubt anyone at CW expected this kind of ongoing performance drop when the Mac version was first contemplated.

I hope Cakewalk also understands that the vast majority of that 50% of Mac Pro Tools users will NEVER be Sonar customers so their opinion on platform selection is not really a good yard stick for whether or not a market for Sonar will materialize on the Mac platform.
 
There was a time when every word printed in the news media was written on Macs. When that changed, Microsoft didn't say well I guess we should just give up on making Word for the Mac because all the pros are switching to PC.

 
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Re: SONAR OS X Alpha 2017/03/26 19:59:05 (permalink)
Funny...  Pro Tools is not even on this list.  Still looks like a tough crowd. 
 
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Re: SONAR OS X Alpha 2017/03/26 20:01:07 (permalink)
I'm just curious if there are technical hurdles what they might be. It was just about a year ago that Cake posted videos showing a base version of SONAR up and running on a Mac. I know full implementation presents more challenges than just showing the UI up running audio files...but I wonder what is giving them the most headaches.

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Re: SONAR OS X Alpha 2017/03/26 21:11:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby tlw 2017/03/26 21:43:11
I imagine that the biggest hurdle is the difference in computer OS architecture and the audio systems between Windows and Mac OS X.
 
Mac OS X is a Unix system, with some custom UI and other stuff like audio bolted on by Apple (This is not intended to be a comprehensive statement.  It's a deep subject.  Any questions, just Google it).
 
Cakewalk and Sonar have always been very tightly integrated with Microsoft and the Windows audio system.  That is one reason why it can perform very well on Windows.  But they are having to start from scratch with the Apple stuff.
 
If the bakers are going to attempt this at all, the first alpha release needs to be 100% stable and high performance, even if it is lacking a few features.  Otherwise the criticism will be deafening.  I really don't envy the guys doing this, the pressure must be tremendous!

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