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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money? 2016/11/20 17:36:21 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Nino Vargass 2016/11/20 17:41:34
I use the Quadcurve EQ most if not all of the time. One big reason is in Platinum it has the very cool flyout display. If one has not seen or used it, I can see why one may want something more user friendly. I have all the modules for Pro Channel with a few third party ones. Understanding the power of the PC is not easily explained. Though Professional comes with the PC it does not include all the modules that come with Platinum. If you look around you'l find that Sonar was the first to have a channel strip but others have seen how good and useful it can be and have tried to copied it. However none is as good or as versatile as the one in Platinum because it is customizable.  
 
My view is that CW has never bundled poor quality plugins. I can name developers that have. If one is thinking because it comes with the program it can't be as good as a third party version you would be mistaken. I will amend my above statement to add that the only plugin I would count as not up to the quality that CW has always adhered to is Boost 11. Still many use and like it. But in fairness it was not meant for Platinum or the old Producer where it first appeared in Sonar. It was asked for by some vocal members when they saw it in Home Studio. CW added it because enough saw it and wanted it.   
 
Really I can't see how one can go wrong getting the top flagship version where CW puts all it expertise.  
 
With it one also gets lifetime updates. That alone should be the clincher.  

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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money? 2016/11/20 18:07:38 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby John 2016/11/20 18:12:57
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Closer to home, the different curves on the QuadCurve can make a huge difference. If you know how to use the functionality, you'll get a better sound...but that doesn't mean anyone will know how you got that sound.



@Anderton,
 
I think you're saying that there are two useful but independent attributes:
1) The sound quality of the processor
2) The functionality and user interface that make it easy to use the processor effectively
 
I think you're implying that the QuadCurve's sound quality is up to industry standards, but the functionality and user interface are what makes the QuadCurve exceptional.
 
Is that what you mean?
 



Yes, but of course with the caveat of exceptional for me. The reason why is I've learned what all the curves do, so I know which one to call up for a given application. The QuadCurve is already in the ProChannel...a couple clicks, done.
 
But really, this whole discussion of what's "better" or "best" does not lend itself to generalizations very well. If a track needs a 1.7 dB lift with a fairly wide bandwidth at 3.5 kHz, I defy anyone to tell the difference between just about any plug-in EQ made since 2005. However reverbs have very different sonic signatures because a) reverb is hellishly difficult to do, and b) different designers have different ideas of what sounds "good." For example Breverb does an excellent job of imitating old-school algorithmic reverbs and some people covet that sound. Softube's TSAR-1 is a much more transparent reverb that almost sounds synthetic, which I love for some applications. Which one is better? Depends on how you want to use them. 
 
I also think it's important to distinguish between what sounds "better" and what sounds "different." Again using reverb as an example, the early 12-bit hardware digital reverbs sounded grainy and coarse. To me just about any modern reverb sounds better. But is modern reverb A "better" or "different" than modern reverb B?
 
I agree with pwalpwal that if you've been around the block and have a lot of plug-ins, most if not all of the plug-ins in SONAR would be redundant. With a few exceptions they're clearly designed to give what's essential, not what's esoteric. However I don't agree that "long in the tooth" is an inherent problem. In the original post, I found it humorous that someone would say a synth is "outdated" when the standard of comparison many use to judge the quality of a virtual instrument is how close it can come to a 1972 Minimoog .
 
For example consider the Sonitus Delay. Despite having accumulated over 2,000 plug-ins over the years, I don't have anything that can do what the Sonitus does. But I also don't have anything that can do what the PSP Audioware 608 Multidelay can do, either. Similarly, I did an exact model of a Vox Clyde McCoy wah using the Sonitus Wah. Nothing else has come close other than models in amp sims.
 
I truly think plug-ins have very little do with the emotional impact of a piece of music on the listener, and here I agree with sanderxpander on the importance of the interface. If you can dial in the sound you want in seconds and maintain your creative flow, your music will have more emotional impact than if you spend time dialing in a "perfect" sound but lose your creative impulse in the process.
 
Because a lot of my projects have hard and unforgiving deadlines, I use SONAR's plug-ins much more than any others because they're fast, have excellent sound quality, and I know how to get the sounds I want. FWIW no client has ever said "Y'know, it sounds like you're using bundled plug-ins. You really should be using more expensive third-party stuff."
 
 

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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money? 2016/11/20 18:22:49 (permalink)
One final plug-in story.
 
Sound on Sound magazine does a feature called "Mix Rescue" where they go to a reader's house and assist with a mix. They arrived at their host's, who went to make tea for them. While he was doing that, they bypassed all the plug-ins to hear what the raw tracks sounded like.
 
When the host came back to the studio with the tea, he said "Wow! That sounds so much better!! What did you guys do?!?"

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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money? 2016/11/20 18:32:33 (permalink)
I remember that story Graig. Its one we should all take to heart. 

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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money? 2016/11/20 18:42:36 (permalink)
We had the exact same thing happen on the forum, someone came in and said "after working on my mix for a few hours I hit 'E' and suddenly everything sounded much better... What does 'E' do?" :)
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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money? 2016/11/20 19:56:34 (permalink)
If Pro Audio 9 was the last DAW you played with, I think you'd be happier with Studio One 3.
 

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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money? 2016/11/20 20:31:22 (permalink)
Pro to Plat? I never really thought twice, never looked back. Splat with lifetime updates as well as platinum exclusives, well worth the price. Money well spent! 

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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money? 2016/11/20 22:59:03 (permalink)
Thanks to everyone for your comments and advice. To summarize so far, the most popular plugins include:
 
Exclusive to Sonar Platinum:
  • Addictive Drums 2 (This is the only specific instrument plugin mentioned.)
  • BiFilter 2
  • Breverb
  • Console Emulator
  • Drum Replacer
  • PX-64 Percussion Strip
  • QuadCurve EQ with zoom spectrum analysis
  • S-Type Bus Compressor
  • Theme Editor
  • TS-64 Transient Shaper
  • VocalSync
  • VX-64 Vocal Strip
On the other hand, some prefer 3rd party plugins. 
 
Other favorites, not exclusive to Platinum:
  • LP EQ linear phase equalizer (Platinum and Professional)
  • Melodyne (Platinum and Professional)
  • Nomad Factory Blue Tubes bundle (Platinum and Professional)
  • REmatrix Solo (Platinum and Professional)
  • Softube's TSAR 1 -- Not clear whether this is included with Sonar Platinum
  • Sonitus bundle (Included in all current versions of Sonar)
 
Reference
cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Versions
cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR&language=3&help=Plug-ins.1.html
 
This is all very helpful. Thanks!
Of course, further comments are welcome, whether you use Sonar plugins or prefer 3rd party plugins.
 
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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money? 2016/11/20 23:44:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby John 2016/11/21 00:54:55
Arizona

I'm trying to decide which version of Cakewalk Sonar to purchase. I've looked at the comparison chart here:
www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Versions#start

And I've looked at the plugins list here:
www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR&language=3&help=Plug-ins.1.html

Those pages are helpful, but Platinum's extra features do not represent benefits to me, because I've never used them. Hence, I'm not familiar with them, and I don't know how useful they are. Also, I've read somewhere that some of Platinum's virtual instruments sound a bit out-dated, in one reviewer's opinion.

So, I'm hoping to hear some personal opinions about which particular features in Platinum make it worth the extra money. (E.g. True Pianos? Or Lounge Lizard?) Alternatively, why is Sonar Professional sufficient for you? Please tell me why you yourself chose either Professional or Platinum. Are you happy with your choice?

By the way, I stopped using DAW software at Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 and Samplitude 6, so I'm a total newb with Sonar. I'm on Windows 8.1 with an Intel i7 Skylake processor, and about 32 GB RAM.



So I'm guessing that you don't have a rack of modern effect plugins and virtual instruments?  Get Platinum.

For one, the lifetime updates assures that you will have a DAW that keeps up with whatever Microsoft does to Windows in the future.  That could be huuuuuge!

Then the included effects and instruments should be fine to get you back up to date.  They don't suck.  You could spend hundreds, or even thousands, on software plugs to get a setup you like, ala carte.

Just so you know, my opinion is based on someone who doesn't make a living with this stuff.  I am a music hobbyist who has been using music technology since the 80's. My first keyboard synth choice was between a Roland Juno xx-something, and the keyboard I ended up with.  Should have picked the Juno, LOL!

The first computer sequencer I saw was an Apple Mac demo at the local music store.  Way beyond my pay grade at the time.

My first Cakewalk product was Professional 6.  Before that, I'm embarrassed to say, but but my first PC sequencer ate my first real project, and I jumped to Cakewalk as a result!  Never looked back. I have tried other products too. 

Before that, it was an Alesis MMT-8 hardware sequencer, and a Boss DR-5 drum machine.

Over time I became very interested in the use of virtual instruments and real-time effects, as PC's became more powerful.  I upgraded to the Producer edition around Sonar3 (not X3) due to the included plugins. I think that Sonar Platinum offers a very broad feature package, out of the box.  There are plenty of tools that you can dig deep into, before exploring 3rd party plugins.  There seems to be an attitude that if something is free, or cheap, it must be worthless.  Not true.  There is mucho competition in this area.

Bottom line, is that there are many choices out there now.  If you are a pro, and make a living with this stuff, then it becomes a question of why not invest in the best tools?  If budget is not a consideration, then pick and choose the best tools for your trade.  If you know what that is.  Otherwise, Sonar Platinum offers an awesome cost-effective core baseline of capabilities for you to learn from, and then expand on from there ...

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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money? 2016/11/21 01:01:58 (permalink)
Also bear in mind there is a demo version available. For a period it went to 2 months in duration, but not sure if still active and does not allow saving the file. If you have old Pro Audio 9 projects, you can open them and play with features to see how they work.

In your situation the lifetime updates is a good deal, since a chunk of that resolves the "paying for bug fixes" complaint that had been occurring for years prior.

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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money? 2016/11/21 10:44:01 (permalink)
I have Platinum and I only use the included plug-ins.  It is a hobby for me and I probably don't produce "pro" sounding stuff (but that is more likely due to talent, creativity and experience) than the tools.
 
The instruments are good and the FX are good (especially the Pro Channel).  Sure, you can spend more money and get better, but its more money than you'd spend on the upgrade to Platinum.
 
Again, lifetime updates are the icing on the proverbial cake.

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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money? 2016/11/21 11:17:39 (permalink)
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Based on much of the advice given so far, I understand that the lifetime upgrades are the main advantage for Platinum. I was hoping someone would mention other *particular* features, but I guess the additional features are not very compelling. I guess it's better to buy third-party plugins instead. 
I owned Producer addition and made the switch to Platinum when the lifetime updates were offered. Like it or not, lifetime updates ARE a feature. And for me, that feature, and its impact on my wallet over time were more than compelling enough. 

That being said, here's what I have found useful since switching. The additional pro channel plugs are very useful. I use the 1176 and the EQ on just about every new project. The additional add packs for Addictive Drums are also something that I will actually use and likely would have bought anyway. Those two items alone are probably worth 90% of the cost of the upgrade for me. When you add the lifetime updates on top of that, it became stupid for me not to upgrade.

The bundled synths? I have never done more than just noodle with them. I can't say I'll never use them in a project because you never know. But I can say that none of them will ever be my goto instrument for anything.

But yeah the free lifetime updates alone make it a no-brainer. You could just own Producer and never update it and that works. I'm assuming since you're still using a version of Windows that is no longer supported in any kind of fashion, you're someone who chooses to not update at all ever. And that's fine and like I said, it works. Whatever works about your software will keep working and whatever is wonky will keep being wonky and if you can live with that, great.


But here's the thing. With Sonar, the updates are not just for fixing bugs. New features are added all the time. If you don't care about getting new features, then maybe Platinum isn't for you. I made the switch and I don't regret spending the money. I don't know of anyone who has made the switch that regrets spending the money. But I also don't know every person who made the switch.
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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money? 2016/11/21 13:13:22 (permalink)
Arizona, as to instruments...you get the full version of Rapture (not the newer Rapture Pro that also loads Dimension Pro files, the original one) with Platinum. This has been one of my absolute favorite instruments ever since it first appeared. I can't think of any track I've done over the past several years that doesn't use it somewhere, and several tracks have four or five instances. It was the first synth I found that could do extensive modulation, which made it perfect for EDM but it could also do straight ahead synth sounds - I posted a comparison online once of Arturia's Minimoog V playing the same thing as Rapture with big filter sweeps etc...no one could tell the difference.
 
You also get Dimension Pro which has a large library, and Rapture Session. To me the presets/samples are hit-and-miss. Some are useless, some have become go-to presets. Admittedly the fact that I use mostly my own samples and presets factors into that opinion.
 

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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money? 2016/11/22 00:40:31 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby John 2016/11/22 01:04:52
Tonight, I was reminded of one more thing about Cakewalk plug-ins: no iLok :)

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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money? 2016/11/22 10:29:06 (permalink)
Yes, the number one feature that makes PLATINUM worth buying is the current offer of lifetime updates.  This alone is worth the money.  I may go 2 or 3 years without updating the core software, but at least the option is there.
 
I still run win 7 pro.  I have an M-audio ProFire 2626 (firewire).  When I went to update to Windows 10, I got a rude awakening.  M-audio is not going to update the driver for the profire 2626.  The unit is good and functional, I rolled back to win 7 pro for that 1 piece of equipment. 
 
I bought a laptop with Windows 10 ugh.... Went to put Sonar X3 on it... it did NOT play nice.  Sometimes the hardware that you have and works great with what you already own for now but will not work correctly with newer, more modern equipment.  I can't update my hardware in the sense of downloading an update.  So I am happy that I can at least get lifetime updates, whether I need them or not, for my Sonar software.  Now if Cakewalk goes out of business next year, my "lifetime" updates will be useless.  Who knows if the next version of windows won't break sonar? 
 
The soft synth plugins of Platinum are just fine.  The main one that I use is Addictive Drums 2.  LOVE...LOVE....LOVE IT!  I do not do a lot of synth creativity, but when I do, I go to dimension pro A LOT.  I purchased Native Instruments KOMPLETE ULTIMATE and within a month, realized I dumped a lot of money on something that bogs down my system.  Does Komplete have great synth sounds? Sure.  Do I like waiting what seems like an eternity for any of the synths to load?  No, I don't.  DPro, Rapture and Z3ta load up just fine and play fine enough sounds for my sonic palate.  And these are not terribly resource hungry.
 
A good way to compare is which works better the ProChannel PC2A plugin or the Native Instruments VC2A plugin?  For me the sound so close that eq will take care of any difference.  So do I pop in PC2A in the prochannel and keep moving or do I bog my system down waiting for VC2A to verify I have a legal right to use it?  I'll go ProChannel for timeliness.
 
FX Plugins.  I've used Sonitus since forever.  Remember the ad in the movie "Crazy People" about Volvo... "They're boxy, but da.. good"  Same thing here.... "Sonitus, They're ugly, but da.. good."  I find myself using the Blues Tubes plugins more than the prochannel modules.  I liked the blues tubes so much that I found Nomad Factory's ISP 3 suite on sale and snatched up all of the nomad factory plugs.  The BREVERB plugin...I liked it so much that I bought the full blown version.  I don't have any complaints about the quality of the ProChannel modules.  They are good,  I just get lost in the collapsing and expanding of channelstrips.  When I lose my place two or three times, and I realize I've adjusted the wrong plugins two or three different times, I realize that it is just easier for me to load individual plugins and click on the plug when I need to adjust it. 
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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money? 2016/11/22 13:17:45 (permalink)
Tastes may differ but to my ear DimPro sounds aren't even near in quality to Komplete. Not that Komplete is the end to all sound quests.
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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money? 2016/11/22 13:57:37 (permalink)
Regarding Platinum's included plug-in instruments, I would add that having the full Dimension Pro and Rapture classic is a big plus.  Dimension Pro has a large sample library, and offers a lot of sound programming tools.

As Craig said earlier, Rapture is an excellent sounding synth with some very deep programming tools.  It also comes with a ton of presets. 
 
Both of these synths are great if you like to look under the hood and get your hands dirty.

True Pianos Amber is a great sounding grand piano. 

Then there are also the bundled AAS instuments:
AAS Lounge Lizard Session - Sonar Edition, with some great modelled Rhodes piano sounds.  
AAS Strum Session - Sonar Edition, which models acoustic and electric guitars, as well as chord voicing and strum patterns.
AAS Ultra Analog Session - Sonar Edition, a modelled VA synth.

Then when you consider that you also get the full Pro Channel modules and additional FX in the boutique suite, you really get a lot more content with Platinum.  I really like BREVERB Sonar and the QuadCurve EQ flyout
 
Overall I don't use all of the tools in Platinum, but I don't think I would want to give them up.  It's nice to know they are there if I ever need them.  It's a great core collection to start out with, before spending more money on 3rd party plugins 

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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money? 2016/11/22 14:13:46 (permalink)
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Tastes may differ but to my ear DimPro sounds aren't even near in quality to Komplete. Not that Komplete is the end to all sound quests.



Well yup, but you're talking about another $600.  Apples to oranges ...

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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money? 2016/11/22 14:42:23 (permalink)
In a way, but the question is is it worth to spring for Platinum or better to save money and go third party.
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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money? 2016/11/22 15:00:17 (permalink)
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In a way, but the question is is it worth to spring for Platinum or better to save money and go third party.

Its better to do both. I use some of the sounds in Dim Pro. I particularly like the bass sounds as well as some of the organ sounds.
 
There are plenty of other useful sounds with it. I also have Kontakt with a lot of third party libraries for it. I also have Sampletank 3. As well as GOP. Plus I just picked up Arturia's V collection. I have a few of Musiclabs guitars too. In other words I have an extensive sound library to draw from and still use Dim Pro.    

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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money? 2016/11/22 16:50:16 (permalink)
One thing that is often overlooked is how are we defining "sounds better" when comparing instruments?
 
How is a fair comparison to be made?  The bottom line is the perception and intended use by the end user.

Are we judging the samplers and synths in the same way?  Based on what? Sample quality, factory presets, sound source (sample playback, analog modeling, physical modeling), the sound architecture, the available expansion packs, the ease or depth of programmability?

Some folks just want preset sounds to quickly set up an arrangement.  That's fine.  Others may want to develop their own sounds and presets.  So they want more capability under the hood.   Different styles of music have varying sonic expectations.  I doubt there is one instrument that meets everybody's needs.  Just look at the sheer number of the available plugins and libraries.  None of them sound inherently bad.  But there are good and bad patches everywhere.
 
That said, I like Dimension Pro, but I wouldn't buy Platinum just for that.  I don't think that Dimension was ever intended to compete with the other commercial sampler libraries, but was intended to provide a starting point for creative sound design.  It came with a library as a bonus.  It is unique.  It's a synthesizer that uses samples for a sound source.

But the synth technology that RGC audio (Rene Ceballos) developed, which was bought by Cakewalk, is a good one. It underlies all of the major Cakewalk synths - Triangle, Square, Pentagon, Dimension Pro, Rapture, Z3TA+ 2, etc.  The original RGC audio z3ta+ is still considered great by many.  I think Rene was possibly way ahead of the current pack of synth developers.
 

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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money? 2016/11/22 17:16:13 (permalink)
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In a way, but the question is is it worth to spring for Platinum or better to save money and go third party.

I didn't hear any mention of 3rd party plug ins in the OP or his following posts.
not sure how we keep getting side tracked on that (I include myself as well / my previous posts)
He just wants to know if its worth it to spring for platinum vs. professional. and said he heard a review someone said the virtual instruments sounded dated.
 
So I guess the question is, is it worth it ?
 

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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money? 2016/11/22 17:17:28 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby John 2016/11/22 17:44:28
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One thing that is often overlooked is how are we defining "sounds better" when comparing instruments?
 
How is a fair comparison to be made?  The bottom line is the perception and intended use by the end user. 

 
Yup. I'll give you an example that is by no means typical, but it demonstrates the "slippery slope" of simply assuming that something is going to sound better.
 
I'm a huge Kontakt fan, which is probably not surprising since I wrote the manual for version 1. It's supported by a number of excellent libraries, and the scripting capabilities are extremely sophisticated. There's nothing quite like Action Strings, for example. Also, NI has produced superb content; they didn't just rely on third parties to do the job.
 
However it does take time to load some of the bigger libraries and as I've mentioned in various articles, I often use simple instruments as placeholders while creating a song, then substitute while mixing.
 
In one song the choir was TTS-1 and the strings were SI-Strings. When it was time to mix, I could not find anything in Kontakt that fit the song better. The latter is important, because if you listened to the libraries in isolation, the Kontakt ones sounded "better." But they didn't sound "better" when mixed in with the rest of the tracks. Why? I don't know, but the TTS-1 choir and SI-Strings ended up in the final mix. 
 
This is why I find generalizations pretty much meaningless. The only real answer is to know whatever tools you have, and always keep an open mind. Cost and sophistication may matter...or they may not. As the late John Simonton said, "A real musician can make music with two spoons and a glass."
 

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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money? 2016/11/22 17:44:20 (permalink)
Very good point Graig. I use a Sound Canvas to start things off often. Its an SC 8850. That is old and dated however there some sounds on it that are impossible to find elsewhere. As you say it may not be the sound itself but how it integrates in the song. 
 
In the end of all this, don't we all actually agree having more sounds at ones disposal is better than having a limited set? With Platinum one is given a good start on building a good sound set.
 
 

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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money? 2016/11/23 08:00:41 (permalink)
I guess I did a lackluster job of explaining "worth" and "value" versus "speed" and "simplicity"  I find value in the complete package of Platinum.  Can I go elsewhere sure?  I'm like Craig, I like the Native stuff just fine but when I'm on a roll, I want to move quickly and keep the flow going.  I could probably buy the Artist Version and do everything I want to do. 
 
But lets look at value
Artist $105                Pro:  $209         Platinum:     $499
 
If I have to buy Artist every three or for years, I will pay 300 to 400 dollars... it just depends on updates.
Pro, if I update twice, there's over $400 dollars.
 
Do I find value in the lifetime updates?  I sure do.  A windows update could break sonar.  Access to the update that fixes the functionality--- Priceless.
 
The extra goodies? It may be a big fat question that only your own soul will answer.  Upgrade pricing helps some.  Starting at the bottom of the rung and working your way up financially may also be beneficial.  I didn't start of Pro, I started with Music Creator #2 and tinkered until I decided if I wanted to take the next step.  My next step was Cakewalk Sonar X1 pro... you don't have to dive in to the deep end, take it slow... learn along the way.
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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money? 2016/11/23 10:56:21 (permalink)
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But lets look at value
Artist $105                Pro:  $209         Platinum:     $499
 
If I have to buy Artist every three or for years, I will pay 300 to 400 dollars... it just depends on updates.
Pro, if I update twice, there's over $400 dollars.
 
Do I find value in the lifetime updates?  I sure do.  A windows update could break sonar.  Access to the update that fixes the functionality--- Priceless.

 
Yup!

Value. That's really the bottom line for the sake of this discussion in 2016.  Lifetime updates for Platinum until Dec 31st.
 
If we were having to answer the question about value after Dec 31st, it would probably be in favor of Sonar Professional, based on the OP's stated needs.
 
I feel that the investment in Platinum w/lifetime updates was a no-brainer for me.  I was comfortable with Sonar X3 Producer and would have been OK with sitting on that.  But I already have a couple of other expensive software packages that I no longer qualify for upgrade pricing with, that Microsoft broke with Windows 10.
 
I like knowing that my DAW will always be compatible, regardless of whatever Microsoft does to Windows.  Or possibly even Mac, if it comes to that.  Without spending another buck to buy a new version.  Done.

DAW: CbB; Sonar Platinum, and others ... 
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Re: Sonar Professional or Sonar Platinum? Is Platinum worth the extra money? 2016/11/25 17:54:46 (permalink)
This thread has been very helpful. Thanks to everyone for your comments and advice. 
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