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CA-2A + LP 64 EQ causing Runtime errors
Today I had one of the strangest Sonar experiences ever. I worked on a couple of songs today and then opened a 3rd song and got an error I’ve never seen Microsoft Visual C++ runtime error SONARPLT.exe R6025 - pure virtual function call I was using 64 bit Platinum 2016.09 and every single CWP file I tried to open crashed in the same way. I then decided I had a serious OS or Platinum corruption and I reverted my C drive to an earlier image that I saved on 11/8. To my surprise I still had the problem. I shut down the computer and rebooted my AVB Ultralite audio box and rebooted the computer. I then opened the default normal template and that opened fine. I then opened a song in the safe mode and after much testing I found that CA-2A and LP-64 EQ were both causing all the Runtime errors. Either one would cause the error. So I used Control Panel to uninstall CA-2A and reinstalled it from Command Center. Now only the LP 64 EQ would cause the crash. I tried the do the same uninstall and reinstall with LP-64 EQ. From Command Center I found out that it was part of the Engineering FX Suite, so I went to Control Panel and uninstalled it and reinstalled it using Command Center. For some reason it won’t install. I’ve tried to install it 3x from Command Center and it won’t install and so every CWP I open I get an error message saying it can’t find that plugin. In my templates for many months I’ve had Drum Bus Master which is an FX chain that I have in the FX rack of my Drum bus in the Bus pane. Drum Bus Master has LP-64 EQ as one the the FX in the chain, so this is why each song is looking for that plugin. So here’s what’s baffling. I would think that if CA-2A and LP-64 EQ got corrupted in some way that reverting my C drive to an image from 11/8 when everything worked fine would solve a problem like this – it didn’t. Cakewalk Content is on my D dive, but I find no references to CA-2A and LP-64 EQ there. Could it be that it’s some kind of internet connection to Cakewalk and that these 2 plugins were no longer getting the registration green light from Cakewalk to work? Like some kind of copy protection thing to prevent people pirating these plugins. And then there’s this lingering problem of why can’t I install FX Engineering Suite anymore. The other plugins in that suite are not showing up either – LP-64 Multiband, etc. Anyone have any clue about this puzzling problem?
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Re: CA-2A + LP 64 EQ causing Runtime errors
2016/12/02 08:37:07
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@gmp Please see my post on the exact same issue. "CA2A crashing every project + VST Scan Issues". I've tried reinstalling the CA2A and Engineering FX via CCC as well as rolling back. Neither helped. Have not done a System Restore yet, but per your post, this did not appear to solve the problem. It's a bit more than troubling. It's a showstopper. I'm continuing to troubleshoot, will post any progress on my thread.
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Re: CA-2A + LP 64 EQ causing Runtime errors
2016/12/02 08:45:32
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What do you mean by the Engineering FX Suite is not installing? Does the installer doesn't run or can't you find the plugin files it should have installed? The LP-EQ is a file "LPEQ_64.vst3" and will be installed in the VST3 folder "C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST3" (or a subfolder of it). This folder must be listed as a VST folder in the Sonar preferences and you need to rescan VST folders after installation for Sonar to find it. Are LP EQ and LP MB listed in the VST3 effects section of Plugin Manager? An Internet problem is unlikely, LP-EQ should not require any registration different from Sonar Platinum. Also, missing registration should not cause a crash, just the plugin would refuse to load. Some problem in the Windows Registry is more likely.
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Re: CA-2A + LP 64 EQ causing Runtime errors
2016/12/02 13:46:26
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ralf What do you mean by the Engineering FX Suite is not installing? Does the installer doesn't run or can't you find the plugin files it should have installed? The LP-EQ is a file "LPEQ_64.vst3" and will be installed in the VST3 folder "C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST3" (or a subfolder of it). This folder must be listed as a VST folder in the Sonar preferences and you need to rescan VST folders after installation for Sonar to find it. Are LP EQ and LP MB listed in the VST3 effects section of Plugin Manager? An Internet problem is unlikely, LP-EQ should not require any registration different from Sonar Platinum. Also, missing registration should not cause a crash, just the plugin would refuse to load. Some problem in the Windows Registry is more likely.
Engineering FX Suite did install as far as the install windows and such. Yet it didn't show up in plugin manager and I think you showed me why. I needed to run a VST scan. LP EQ and LP MB were showing up in plugin manager. I was using 2016.09 I intended to revert back to my 2016.09 image and mistakenly reverted back to the 2016.10 image and I still had the crashing with CA-2A and LP-64 EQ. Uninstalling and reinstalling CA-2A fixed it. Last night I discovered what I did and first saved an image of this problem and then this time reverted to 2016.09. Well thankfully all the CA-2A and LP-64 EQ problems are gone without any reinstalling or uninstalling.
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Re: CA-2A + LP 64 EQ causing Runtime errors
2016/12/02 15:55:02
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False alarm - I now have the same problem with 2016.09 - a newly restored image file. Last night it worked fine with loading 1 song, but today it crashes. I uninstalled and reinstalled CA-2A and uninstalled Engineering FX suite. Now I have no audio, I have to shut down and reboot my AVB Ultralite. I'm still wondering if something frothe internet is doing this. It makes no sense at all. Or is Command Center doing something strange. CA-2A is not showing up after a few reboots, so I did a VST scan both check boxes and it's stuck on CA-2A. Close and reopen Plat and this time hit reset and then scan, Stuck on Rapture. Since I hit reset now it can’t find crucial plugins like Ivory, etc. I’ll revert back to the 2016.09 image and this time disconnect the internet and won’t open Command Center. Cakewalk needs to give us some kind of explanation. This is really weird.
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Re: CA-2A + LP 64 EQ causing Runtime errors
2016/12/02 16:02:59
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I did seem to determine the problem with mine is associated with the ASIO driver which is Roland Octa-Capture. However I have been using this driver and version for almost a year, which means it's brought on by cakewalk. You might want to check this if you haven't already.
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Re: CA-2A + LP 64 EQ causing Runtime errors
2016/12/02 16:19:33
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robert@gmwmusic.com I did seem to determine the problem with mine is associated with the ASIO driver which is Roland Octa-Capture. However I have been using this driver and version for almost a year, which means it's brought on by cakewalk. You might want to check this if you haven't already.
I have an AVB ULtralite for my audio not a Roland, so I'm not following what you're suggesting. Please explain thanks,
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Re: CA-2A + LP 64 EQ causing Runtime errors
2016/12/03 13:03:51
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Want I meant is checking your USB interface driver. ASIO is the driver you would use with todays USB 3.0. This appears to be the root of my problem which by the way I still haven't resolved.
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Re: CA-2A + LP 64 EQ causing Runtime errors
2016/12/03 20:47:45
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I'm having exactly the same problem on Sonar Platinum running on Windows 10. Reinstalling the latest C+++ redistributables and reinstalling Sonar did not help. I did find a workaround that enables me to use Sonar (including using LP-64) until such time as a real fix appears. a. Start Sonar b. Open a project that has LP-64 installed (I've installed it on an aux bus--I don't know if it would work if it was on a channel bus). c. When the project loads you should see the R6025 error—just ignore it (if you click on OK, sonar will crash and you’ll have to reboot to unload it). For me, even with the error window open, Sonar still works d. Delete LP-64 and save the project (I think you have to save it, maybe not) e. Exit Sonar via File/Exit i. After Sonar closes, the error message box should close on its own. If not, select OK to close it manually. f. Restart Sonar: It will now work, including being able to loading projects with LP-64 (until the next reboot and then you have to go through this again)
This has worked for me so far. I hope it works for others. And of course I hope this gets fixed soon!
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Re: CA-2A + LP 64 EQ causing Runtime errors
2016/12/03 21:43:29
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boblev I'm having exactly the same problem on Sonar Platinum running on Windows 10. Reinstalling the latest C+++ redistributables and reinstalling Sonar did not help. I did find a workaround that enables me to use Sonar (including using LP-64) until such time as a real fix appears. a. Start Sonar b. Open a project that has LP-64 installed (I've installed it on an aux bus--I don't know if it would work if it was on a channel bus). c. When the project loads you should see the R6025 error—just ignore it (if you click on OK, sonar will crash and you’ll have to reboot to unload it). For me, even with the error window open, Sonar still works d. Delete LP-64 and save the project (I think you have to save it, maybe not) e. Exit Sonar via File/Exit i. After Sonar closes, the error message box should close on its own. If not, select OK to close it manually. f. Restart Sonar: It will now work, including being able to loading projects with LP-64 (until the next reboot and then you have to go through this again)
This has worked for me so far. I hope it works for others. And of course I hope this gets fixed soon!
Brilliant solution. Man it’s good you think out of the box. I had no idea I could leave that error screen open and Plat wouldn't’ close. I did just what you said and deleted the LP-64 FX and saved it and now I don’t’ get that error when I reboot and open that file and get no error when I open CWP files after that.. You may want to check out my recent post that was clearly computer hell. Well since then, I went ahead and reverted again to my 10/23 image and this time before opening Plat I got all the latest Win updates and now when I open a CWP I get the runtime error for the 1st song, I was letting it close. Then fortunately I was able to open a 2nd CWP and it never happens again. Only on the very 1st file that I open from a fresh boot. So that’s quite an improvement. Yet your new method is even better. My usual way of working is whenever I have a new Plat version to install I 1st do all the Win updates, and then install the new version. I don’t’ like the auto updates, because I want to have a chance to try out the new version without throwing another variable of constantly changing OS updates.
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Re: CA-2A + LP 64 EQ causing Runtime errors
2016/12/04 13:52:51
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Gerry, So glad this worked for you, too. I was able to do a full day's work yesterday after going through the workaround. No reoccurrences of the error message, LP-64 worked fine, and so did everything else. Fingers crossed! Bob
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Re: CA-2A + LP 64 EQ causing Runtime errors
2016/12/04 14:02:40
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This indicates that this runtime error should not even be happening, because nothing really is wrong. Otherwise Sonar would not be working properly after that.
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Re: CA-2A + LP 64 EQ causing Runtime errors
2016/12/05 15:31:55
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I just ignore it. It first occured after the latest W10 install. Took me 3 days to figure out that you just can ignore the message.
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Re: CA-2A + LP 64 EQ causing Runtime errors
2016/12/05 16:00:33
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Not sure I agree. I tried ignoring these and get; "SONARPLT.exe stopped working" every single time I tried to insert one. Not that I needed them, but there is definitely something wrong.
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Re: CA-2A + LP 64 EQ causing Runtime errors
2016/12/05 16:16:42
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jackson white Not sure I agree. I tried ignoring these and get; "SONARPLT.exe stopped working" every single time I tried to insert one. Not that I needed them, but there is definitely something wrong.
It looks like there are a few variations of this same runtime error problem. Most of us can simply not click on ok when the runtime error window comes up. If you click on ok then it closes and then it closes Platinum. I've done a lot of experimenting with this and I've had some more severe times when it seemed I couldn't' do anything except start over with a new image file. I still don't understand why I'm all of a sudden having this problem and I haven't ever updated to 2016.11. Thanks for keeping us updated.
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Re: CA-2A + LP 64 EQ causing Runtime errors
2016/12/05 22:10:47
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@gmp Can you please confirm that you did not update to 2016.11 and that you are seeing these problems with 2016.10? It's quite possible that (at least in my case) the issue was just coincidental with the update to 2016.11. I rolled back to 2016.10 which did NOT fix the problem, but wondering if something core had been corrupted that was not covered in the rollback. If you are seeing the problems on 2016.10 (which was rock solid for me) then we might to look a bit deeper into any Win10 updates.
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Re: CA-2A + LP 64 EQ causing Runtime errors
2016/12/05 22:35:25
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jackson white @gmp Can you please confirm that you did not update to 2016.11 and that you are seeing these problems with 2016.10? It's quite possible that (at least in my case) the issue was just coincidental with the update to 2016.11. I rolled back to 2016.10 which did NOT fix the problem, but wondering if something core had been corrupted that was not covered in the rollback. If you are seeing the problems on 2016.10 (which was rock solid for me) then we might to look a bit deeper into any Win10 updates.
I did not update to 2016.11 after seeing several complaints I was leery. I used 2016.10 for about a week and it had a few problems for me, but not the runtime problem, so I reverted back to my 10/23 image of 2016.09 on 11/17. The last Win updates I did were on 10/23. Then last week this crazy runtime error problem cropped up. Since last week 2016.09 hasn't worked well for me until I started over by reverting again back to the 10/23 image and then did all the Win updates. Now at least things are manageable, all I have to do is ignore the runtime error screen, being careful not to hit ok and then no other projects cause a problem. All the plugins work fine. The most baffling thing is if I disconnect from the internet, then revert back to my 10/23 image, I don't get the runtime errors at all. So for me this is all triggered by something with the internet, I assume either something with Cakewalk or MS, like an internet database. My guess is MS is doing something that's causing my unique problem, and possibly everyone's problem with these runtime errors. My post below has my detailed account of this: http://forum.cakewalk.com...VST-scan-m3523271.aspx
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Re: CA-2A + LP 64 EQ causing Runtime errors
2016/12/06 10:10:58
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@gmp Thx for the feedback, much appreciated. I'm blocking out time this Thur to do more troubleshooting and will try both an earlier System Restore as well as rolling back to an older SONAR update. I've only tried 2016.10 because it had been rock solid for me. I still suspect it's a wider, more complicated issue. I plan to dig deeper into potential configuration changes as the result of a Win10 update but also thinking/hoping CW might have noted something as it is a fundamental system requirement. "Do you have the latest update?" seems to be a standard troubleshooting response. Will post any insight on the thread I started.
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Re: CA-2A + LP 64 EQ causing Runtime errors
2016/12/06 10:32:03
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I haven't had a Win10 update since Nov. 18th and I'm not seeing any of these crashes on my daw or laptop.
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Re: CA-2A + LP 64 EQ causing Runtime errors
2016/12/06 10:39:29
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gustabo I haven't had a Win10 update since Nov. 18th and I'm not seeing any of these crashes on my daw or laptop.
My computers running windows 10 both agree the last update available for windows 10 was 11/9/2016
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Re: CA-2A + LP 64 EQ causing Runtime errors
2016/12/13 17:48:06
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Having the same crash issue as above. Using safe mode pinpointed the LP-64 as causing the crashes, runtime error etc. Just upgraded to the latest Sonar Platinum with lifetime updates, LP-64 still makes it crash. Latest Windows 10 build
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