CA-2A crashes Sonar when inserting during playback

As the title said, all of a sudden, inserting CA-2A hard crashes my Sonar Platinum x64 if I do it during playback. Don't even get the fault reporter. If I do it with audio stopped, there's no issue at all. I'm on the November release. Can anyone confirm or is it just me? Happens with both the ProChannel (presumably VST2 based) and the regular fx bin (VST3) version btw.

Known issue triggered by Windows update; Bakers are working on it. See this sticky post:
 
     http://forum.cakewalk.com...-updates-m3526221.aspx

brundlefly
Known issue triggered by Windows update; Bakers are working on it. See this sticky post:
 
     http://forum.cakewalk.com...-updates-m3526221.aspx

Ha, thanks! Good to know, obviously the workaround isn't too horrible. Just glad it's not just me, all the better if the bakers are already fixing it!

RSMCGUITAR

Sanderxpander
Right. Just wondering why you replied at all then I guess, as it in no way added any new information to the thread.

Perhaps because it suggests a 'best practice.'

+1 I am many like BJ, I don't insert plug ins during play back.
In my opinion, your simply taking an unnecessary risk.
Ive asked myself many times... Would I benefit from inserting plug ins while the transport is rolling ?
I also throw in the same along the lines of "Should I try to save my project while the transport is rolling".
The short answer is no.
 
However for testing purposes, I just tried in order to repro, all good here .
I would like to add, im on Windows 8.1. I hope this later part of my comment helps.
 

Carry on doing what you're doing then and continue experiencing crashing.
 
What I said wasn't patronising and I resent the accusation. 
 
I offered you a workaround to which you took umbrage: your problem, not mine.
 
If you have indeed "been doing this for years" then i would suggest you've been extremely fortunate. This is NOT an analogue board where you could just grab hold of any control and adjust it. The analogy actually falls short because on a hardware mixing desk, all EQ's are already active. In order to achieve the same thing in a digital world you should start by engaging all EQ's & other plugs before you start mixing. Would you attempt to patch in a hardware compressor whilst the transport was rolling? I wouldn't, but I've only been going this for 20+ years so what do I know.

Bristol_Jonesey
Carry on doing what you're doing then and continue experiencing crashing.
 
What I said wasn't patronising and I resent the accusation. 
 
I offered you a workaround to which you took umbrage: your problem, not mine.
 
If you have indeed "been doing this for years" then i would suggest you've been extremely fortunate. This is NOT an analogue board where you could just grab hold of any control and adjust it. The analogy actually falls short because on a hardware mixing desk, all EQ's are already active. In order to achieve the same thing in a digital world you should start by engaging all EQ's & other plugs before you start mixing. Would you attempt to patch in a hardware compressor whilst the transport was rolling? I wouldn't, but I've only been going this for 20+ years so what do I know.

 
calm down. no need to get upset.
 
since the "insert audio fx" option is not greyed out (deactivated by the software) while playback is running, there is no reason to assume that inserting plugs while playback was not meant to done ...
 
it does work. i do it and i think it needs to work - also because for the user there is no difference to switching plugs on/off or changing FX order in the FX bin. i'm with Sander on this, it does make sense to do it ... it's ok if it causes a brief glitch in the playback (or if too heavy a task stops the audio engine/playback) ... but there is no reason for this to crash the software.
 
 

chuckebaby

RSMCGUITAR

Sanderxpander
Right. Just wondering why you replied at all then I guess, as it in no way added any new information to the thread.

Perhaps because it suggests a 'best practice.'

+1 I am many like BJ, I don't insert plug ins during play back.
In my opinion, your simply taking an unnecessary risk.
Ive asked myself many times... Would I benefit from inserting plug ins while the transport is rolling ?
I also throw in the same along the lines of "Should I try to save my project while the transport is rolling".
The short answer is no.
 
However for testing purposes, I just tried in order to repro, all good here .
I would like to add, im on Windows 8.1. I hope this later part of my comment helps.
 

It has always been my habit to stop any playback before doing anything to a project. This includes inserting FX. BTW some FX requires a bit of time to function due to lookahead buffers and such. In the distant past Sonar would do all sorts of crazy stuff if one inserted things will nilly. I recall the push for a "Gapless Audio Engine". CW has shortened the gap but not fully eliminated it. Some of us remember how it used to be and can still be under the right conditions. Stop in the name of sanity! 
 
I think BJ was simply making a point without making a big deal out of it. 

That project, with CA2A in it, failed to open normally afterwards. Strangely it opened normally on the third attempt. On a later session, I had to use SHIFT to disable it.

Sanderxpander
Good to know, obviously the workaround isn't too horrible.

I can't find the workaround you mentioned. Could you point me to it? I can't load CA-2A at all.
 
Thanks

@neirbod
 
I've been able to open / play / edit projects with the CA-2A by starting the MS tool Process Monitor first and then closing it after the project is open. (Thx to bitflipper for the insight.)
 
It's quite possible inserting a new instance of CA-2A without Process Monitor running will cause a crash but if you're just mixing this hack has been working for me. 

Jackson,
 
Thanks to Bitflipper's tip about running Process Manager, I've managed to avoid these crashes. But I'm curious about your advice to close PM after you open the Sonar project. Is that to save resources? I just leave it running.
 
Mitch

I'm going to try Procman.  I have the CA-2A issue on insert (Pro Channel).  I have rebooted several times, same issue.  I miss my CA-2A!
 

Yes, I got it for free, started using it and then Windows updates and WHAM....