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Re: Xtouch and Track color 2017/03/13 21:41:07 (permalink)
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Good news, that is what is expected. And good that you have publish the screenshot: there is no "Device" in the Current Software State. That means the preset is not loaded. There is no errors when that happens, that means you have too "old" AZ Controller for the preset.
In the right lower corner, that should be: 0.5r4b356.
In preparation section, I have mentioned that you need Test version of AZ Controller: http://www.azslow.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=28
 

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Re: Xtouch and Track color 2017/03/13 21:45:51 (permalink)
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just figured I would throw in my offer if needed.
Not a touch, I use a Mackie MCU (older version) not sure if I can be any help, but if I can let me know.

Thank you for the offer, but original Mackie MCU does not have color display. Nor it speak Behringer protocol.
 
When we advance to the planing what to do with X-Touch (after we test the protocol), you can help with possible behavior changes. Since we are going to significantly modify the plugin or preset, we can also change something in logic as well.

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Re: Xtouch and Track color 2017/03/14 01:15:14 (permalink)
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chuckebaby
just figured I would throw in my offer if needed.
Not a touch, I use a Mackie MCU (older version) not sure if I can be any help, but if I can let me know.

Thank you for the offer, but original Mackie MCU does not have color display. Nor it speak Behringer protocol.
 
When we advance to the planing what to do with X-Touch (after we test the protocol), you can help with possible behavior changes. Since we are going to significantly modify the plugin or preset, we can also change something in logic as well.


Sounds good Azlow

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Re: Xtouch and Track color 2017/03/14 05:56:02 (permalink)
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In the right lower corner, that should be: 0.5r4b356.
In preparation section, I have mentioned that you need Test version of AZ Controller: http://www.azslow.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=28



Sorry, but i never saw the link to download this version in your thread. :(
Maybe should i need to be registered in your forum to see the links.
I'll make some test anyway with this new AZ controler.
 
 

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Re: Xtouch and Track color 2017/03/14 07:04:16 (permalink)
I have not put the link explicitly, I just wrote Test version from Downloads. So that is at least partially my fault.
Also a error dialog when preset can not be loaded because of version has to be implementers... I obviously never hit the problem myself.
 
On my forum no registration required to see/download anything. Only to post (because of spam...).

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Re: Xtouch and Track color 2017/03/14 07:28:50 (permalink)
Ok no problem.
 
Now i can see, in the Track 1 Blue|Blue
 
 

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Re: Xtouch and Track color 2017/03/14 10:14:24 (permalink)
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Ok no problem.
Now i can see, in the Track 1 Blue|Blue

Super!
I have re-uploaded fixed test, "XTouch Test 2" (in the same post).
You should see "Green" and "Blue" now. Please check that colors are also set, not only text.
 
So now, when you know that it works with MIDI->USB, can you check USB directly and MIDI over Ethernet? From everything in the Internet, that is not going to work. But costs not a lot to re-check...

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Re: Xtouch and Track color 2017/03/14 10:23:40 (permalink)
Track 1
  • TOP
    • Back ground : black
    • Text : Green
  • Bottom
    • Same
 
Track 2
  • TOP
    • Back ground : black
    • Text : Blue
  • Bottom
    • Same
 
 

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Re: Xtouch and Track color 2017/03/14 10:34:21 (permalink)
For your information
The XCTRL is available only with Eth and Midi Cable.
Not in USB.
Midi Over Ethernet should not work because i can't set any IP port here and if this one is master or slave.
 
If think that if you need to use XCTRL mode only, then for Eth link, get the socket port for this X-touch using IP address.
 
 

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Re: Xtouch and Track color 2017/03/14 11:04:36 (permalink)
To finish with colors: I uploaded "XTouch Test 3".
Most important is the difference between "White" and "White2". The RE documentation is unclear what it should be. Can you describe what you see (I mean the difference)?
 
For Eth link. I guess people will be more excited in case we can provide network solution. MIDI->USB/Interface has quite some disadvantages. But for that to happened, we need the "protocol" to use.
a) who connects? does XTouch tries to contact "the server" or it should be contacted first?
b) is it TCP or UDP?
c) how they really send the information? May be we can correlate what is going on with MIDI->USB with the binary content of the network traffic. Do you have an experience in network sniffing?
May be you have some links to some discussions?

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Re: Xtouch and Track color 2017/03/14 12:03:27 (permalink)
Track 1 :
Top BG: black
Top Text : red
Bot BG: Red
Bot Text: Black.
 
Same  for each tracks with colors 1-8:
Red, Green, Yellow, Blue, Pink, Cyan, White & white2
 
There's no difference between White and White2.
But, my eyes can not be sure. Maybe White2 is more clear. I don't know.
 
a) I feel that X-Touch is client and X-Air is server.
  • At first, when i set the X-touch for X-Air, i need to select Network
  • Next, setting up the slave IP address (X-Air).
  • Next, the console ask : Scan and when the X-Air is found, the link is good.
b) i don't know. I need to use wireshark for that. No idea. I could make the test later in afternoon  or end of day.
c) Sure, i think that, catching the datas into the Port should give the same datas like with MIDI.
 
I could make some traces for you, but just waitting.
 
send me a MP and i can give you my personal email address for exhange these datas.
 
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Re: Xtouch and Track color 2017/03/14 12:22:31 (permalink)
For the colors, may be we test later. RE documents specify different values for the same color. So I was thinking may be that are grades of it...
 
For preset. I will start with Mackie preset for AZ Controller, way more simple to change. I will map Xtrl messages so we can use normal functions. That can take some time. It can take much less if we do this online or you do this, since you can just touch/press/move/turn some control and press "Assign" while I have to generate all that messages manually... Than I will add colors to the preset.
 
For network we probably can discuss directly on Skype, when we both have time for that...

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Re: Xtouch and Track color 2017/03/14 13:01:24 (permalink)
Indeed, if you can do it with normal function like MC, i could use it like before (Midi Over Eth).
Using this console under XCTRL is not useful i guess.
Let me know. ;)

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Re: Xtouch and Track color 2017/03/14 15:16:08 (permalink)
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Using this console under XCTRL is not useful i guess.

If colors are only possible with Xctrl (and it looks so), there there is no choice.
Functionality will be the same, so till we find solution with direct networking, that is
USB/MIDI over ethernet without colors vs MIDI->USB cable with colors.
I guess that can be useful, but inconvenient.
 
But lets try to understand Xctrl network protocol first, that will see.

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Re: Xtouch and Track color 2017/03/14 16:52:59 (permalink)
ok good
 

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Re: Xtouch and Track color 2017/03/18 23:18:15 (permalink)
Since our test went offline, I want to inform other about the progress.
 
Xctl (the protocol used between X-Touch and XAir mixers, the only known way to set colors on X-Touch display) is understood. RE documentation mentioned before (and not coming from us) describe the protocol when used throw MIDI cables.
 
We have checked that the same protocol is used when devices are communicating throw the network. Communication is technically done with UDP packets on port 10111. These packets consist of binary MIDI data "as is". No headers or separators. One UDP packet can transmit arbitrary (probably there is some limit) number of MIDI messagers, including SysEx messages. X-Touch understand MIDI running status and XAir actively use that.
 
I am going to support the communication in AZ Controller and then create X-Touch preset with color strips.

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Re: Xtouch and Track color 2017/03/19 05:24:36 (permalink)
Nice job any case :D
 

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Re: Xtouch and Track color 2017/03/19 18:41:13 (permalink)
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Since our test went offline, I want to inform other about the progress.
 
Xctl (the protocol used between X-Touch and XAir mixers, the only known way to set colors on X-Touch display) is understood. RE documentation mentioned before (and not coming from us) describe the protocol when used throw MIDI cables.
 
We have checked that the same protocol is used when devices are communicating throw the network. Communication is technically done with UDP packets on port 10111. These packets consist of binary MIDI data "as is". No headers or separators. One UDP packet can transmit arbitrary (probably there is some limit) number of MIDI messagers, including SysEx messages. X-Touch understand MIDI running status and XAir actively use that.
 
I am going to support the communication in AZ Controller and then create X-Touch preset with color strips.


Thank you to share your progress.
 
It sounds great man !
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Re: Xtouch and Track color 2018/10/02 14:07:39 (permalink)
I recently purchased the X-Touch Extender to go along with my X-Touch in BandLab Sonar. (I own cakewalk producer and migrated to the Latest bandlab version when they took over. I have read pages and pages about the different protocols and connectivity methods etc. I am still confused on one point. Will these devices display color on the LCDs to match what you choose in the Sonar software without any additional hardware using rtpMidi and a network cable under Windows 10 x64 using the AZController software? If so will it still maintain all other functionality identical to its use as a generic Mackie controller? 
 
Thanks for any help you can provide.
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Re: Xtouch and Track color 2018/10/03 06:48:29 (permalink)
Sorry, the plans was changed at the end of the last year... I was about to finish my controller emu (since I do not have them all) and then add XCtl. Went to REAPER (Sonar->REAPER converter) and in slow progress with REAPER controller instead.

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