WallyG
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[Solved] Softsynths have a mind of their own?
Whenever I finish inputting notes on a softsynth via one of my keyboards, I always set the softsynth input to "none". The same with MIDI tracks. I'm finding though that if I open a project that I have been working on and add a MIDI channel I find that the keyboard is also triggering a softsynth that I know I set to "none". When I look at the softsynths input it shows almost all my MIDI channels (i.e. my synths, breath controller, etc.) I made sure I saved project with the input set to "none" and also saved my default Lens. Anybody else experienced this? Walt
post edited by WallyG - 2017/03/29 17:45:11
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Re: Softsynths have a mind of their own?
2017/03/29 17:19:01
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This has been the subject of much discussion over the years Walt. For reasons best known to Cakewalk none does not mean none. Rather it seems for the most part to be identical to omni, which you might reasonably expect to be the opposite.
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WallyG
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Re: Softsynths have a mind of their own?
2017/03/29 17:44:36
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This has been the subject of much discussion over the years Walt. For reasons best known to Cakewalk none does not mean none. Rather it seems for the most part to be identical to omni, which you might reasonably expect to be the opposite.
Bruce, Thanks. Now that you mention it, I remember it being discussed. Thinking about it I've never used none before. When I was done with a MIDI track, I would record the audio and mute the MIDI track. With this particular softsynth, I wasn't sure if I was done "Puttsing" with it, so I didn't bounce to a track and mute the softsynth. My workaround is to assign a MIDI port that I am not using. If I save, close, and reopen it the input shows the unused port. Thanks for jogging what's left of my memory... Walt
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Re: Softsynths have a mind of their own?
2017/03/30 10:12:00
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WallyG
My workaround is to assign a MIDI port that I am not using. If I save, close, and reopen it the input shows the unused port.
Thanks for jogging what's left of my memory...
Walt
I use the same approach Walt. It's easy to forget the workarounds we have been using by default for so long!
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AdamGrossmanLG
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Re: Softsynths have a mind of their own?
2017/03/30 15:24:28
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Re: Softsynths have a mind of their own?
2017/03/30 15:36:50
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Re: Softsynths have a mind of their own?
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Re: Softsynths have a mind of their own?
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Re: Softsynths have a mind of their own?
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Re: Softsynths have a mind of their own?
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Re: Softsynths have a mind of their own?
2017/03/31 14:55:41
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Once you record a track from a soft-synth, can't you just remove the soft-synth and keep the recorded track?
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AdamGrossmanLG
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Re: Softsynths have a mind of their own?
2017/03/31 15:51:30
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nope, no problem at all. I was told this is simply USER ERROR. That's right. The issue is ME... not the software.
NONE=ALL in Cakewalk world. GOT IT? GOOD. Make sure you get it good before people attack you.
http://forum.cakewalk.com/MIDI-Input-of-None-Actually-Means-ALL-m3540426.aspx#3540429
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Poor-MIDI-Implementation-Is-Going-To-Cause-Me-To-Leave-Cakewalk-m3540421.aspx
Those threads are confusing me, because it quotes the user "SilverBlueMadallion" but has your name next to them.
i changed my username.
Wow I didn't know that was possible. How do you do that ? is it in profile settings or something ?
So many people blocked him, maybe he thought changing a username might change things?
Lol!
nope. changed my username because the "SilverBlueMedallion" I converted to an artistic project for use at another time. Would rather not flood google searches with this content. Of course leave it you to come here to post something about me. You seem unstable to be honest. You follow me from post to post to post snarky comments about me.
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WallyG
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Re: Softsynths have a mind of their own?
2017/03/31 16:35:02
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Studioguy1
Once you record a track from a soft-synth, can't you just remove the soft-synth and keep the recorded track?
Yes. What I do though is to "bounce to track" the soft-synth and then "mute" and "hide" the soft-synth. This way if after listening to the project several times, I find that sometimes I need to tweak something I missed earlier. I can got back and modify the soft-synth and then bounce to track again. Walt
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Re: Softsynths have a mind of their own?
2017/03/31 22:42:47
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Studioguy1
Once you record a track from a soft-synth, can't you just remove the soft-synth and keep the recorded track?
Yes.
What I do though is to "bounce to track" the soft-synth and then "mute" and "hide" the soft-synth. This way if after listening to the project several times, I find that sometimes I need to tweak something I missed earlier. I can got back and modify the soft-synth and then bounce to track again.
Walt
why not just freeze the track then? so much easier and more organized.
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Re: Softsynths have a mind of their own?
2017/04/01 17:48:33
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Once you record a track from a soft-synth, can't you just remove the soft-synth and keep the recorded track?
Yes.
What I do though is to "bounce to track" the soft-synth and then "mute" and "hide" the soft-synth. This way if after listening to the project several times, I find that sometimes I need to tweak something I missed earlier. I can got back and modify the soft-synth and then bounce to track again.
Walt
why not just freeze the track then? so much easier and more organized.
I used to do that, but to quote "Bitflipper": "My biggest issue with frozen tracks is you cannot add volume automation because if the track is subsequently unfrozen the automation will be lost. So I routinely bounce soft synths to a separate audio track in a separate folder, where it can then be treated like any normal audio track. I'll typically freeze the synth and then CTL-drag the frozen audio into a new track, archive and hide the original. Now you're doing a straight all-audio mix. Effects and automation can be freely added, removed and tweaked without restrictions. And your CPU won't break a sweat, no matter how many heavy-duty soft synths you used. The only downside to this technique is that it's a hassle to go back and edit the original MIDI, so I usually hold off until I'm happy with the MIDI, basic EQ/compression and starting volume levels. I'll also do some MIDI volume automation prior to bouncing, especially for orchestral swells and crescendos." I personally like the way this works and it only takes seconds to bounce a track. (I bounce to track vs Ctrl-drag) Walt
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Re: Softsynths have a mind of their own?
2017/04/01 18:33:19
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Once you record a track from a soft-synth, can't you just remove the soft-synth and keep the recorded track?
Yes.
What I do though is to "bounce to track" the soft-synth and then "mute" and "hide" the soft-synth. This way if after listening to the project several times, I find that sometimes I need to tweak something I missed earlier. I can got back and modify the soft-synth and then bounce to track again.
Walt
why not just freeze the track then? so much easier and more organized.
I used to do that, but to quote "Bitflipper":
"My biggest issue with frozen tracks is you cannot add volume automation because if the track is subsequently unfrozen the automation will be lost. So I routinely bounce soft synths to a separate audio track in a separate folder, where it can then be treated like any normal audio track. I'll typically freeze the synth and then CTL-drag the frozen audio into a new track, archive and hide the original.
Now you're doing a straight all-audio mix. Effects and automation can be freely added, removed and tweaked without restrictions. And your CPU won't break a sweat, no matter how many heavy-duty soft synths you used.
The only downside to this technique is that it's a hassle to go back and edit the original MIDI, so I usually hold off until I'm happy with the MIDI, basic EQ/compression and starting volume levels. I'll also do some MIDI volume automation prior to bouncing, especially for orchestral swells and crescendos."
I personally like the way this works and it only takes seconds to bounce a track. (I bounce to track vs Ctrl-drag)
Walt
I add volume automation all the time to a frozen soft synth. MIDI volume no, audio yes.
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