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Re: Poor MIDI Implementation Is Going To Cause Me To Leave Cakewalk
2017/01/04 00:29:05
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☄ Helpfulby microapp 2017/01/04 16:46:59
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Re: Poor MIDI Implementation Is Going To Cause Me To Leave Cakewalk
2017/01/04 00:35:10
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I will be recommended to install LoopBe which makes it so that my MIDI controller will always be selected.
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Re: Poor MIDI Implementation Is Going To Cause Me To Leave Cakewalk
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2017/01/04 09:37:23
I embrace your frustrations. Everyone uses music software in their own way. If the MIDI implementation is not able to do what you need, and you've exhausted all possible avenues of looking for workarounds (which is obviously NOT the ideal solution), submitting feature requests, etc., then there are two options: wait and hope (which clearly you have been doing faithfully) or move to a platform more suitable to your style. Reason IS fantastic for what it excels at, as is Sonar for many others, including myself. With Rewire technology you can have the best of both worlds. Of course that means paying for two DAWs, so it comes down to a cost/benefit analysis, like most decisions in life. I know this doesn't really provide you with any answers, but I wish you the best in finding your ideal setup and getting back to your flow while making some Kick A$$ music!
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Re: Poor MIDI Implementation Is Going To Cause Me To Leave Cakewalk
2017/01/04 00:57:59
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YolandaSupercute I embrace your frustrations. Everyone uses music software in their own way. If the MIDI implementation is not able to do what you need, and you've exhausted all possible avenues of looking for workarounds (which is obviously NOT the ideal solution), submitting feature requests, etc., then there are two options: wait and hope (which clearly you have been doing faithfully) or move to a platform more suitable to your style. Reason IS fantastic for what it excels at, as is Sonar for many others, including myself. With Rewire technology you can have the best of both worlds. Of course that means paying for two DAWs, so it comes down to a cost/benefit analysis, like most decisions in life. I know this doesn't really provide you with any answers, but I wish you the best in finding your ideal setup and getting back to your flow while making some Kick A$$ music!
Thank you Yolanda for the kind words. Yes I would have to purchase Reason, but at that point, I would just work all within Reason. No need for 2 DAWs. It's just so terrible Cakewalk couldn't keep up with the big boys of MIDI.
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Re: Poor MIDI Implementation Is Going To Cause Me To Leave Cakewalk
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and here's one I wrote about key switches and how it would be nice to be able to customize the piano roll-keys to make it easier to find them when editing MIDI: http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/2882167Edit: now with Native Instruments' Komplete Kontrol and its Native Kontrol Standard (NKS) it would be nice with a nice integration of this in Sonar, with the piano roll showing the same colors by its keys as the komplete kontrol hardware does. It would be a great feature even if you're not using a komplete kontrol hardware keyboard, just having something to show where the key switches are when editing MIDI.
post edited by Loptec - 2017/01/04 01:33:45
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Re: Poor MIDI Implementation Is Going To Cause Me To Leave Cakewalk
2017/01/04 06:50:00
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Thank you for pointing out all the things that seem to work for me.
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Re: Poor MIDI Implementation Is Going To Cause Me To Leave Cakewalk
2017/01/04 07:05:35
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Since I have commented in the other thread... While Sonar has quite some problems with MIDI, OP links are a mix of: a) real bugs / rather strange "features" ( just 2-3 in the list) b) inconvenience in Sonar (another 1-2) c) operator failure and (questionable) future requests (the rest) So I also wish OP a good luck with other products ( (c) will be the same, so not only luck is required for success  )
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Re: Poor MIDI Implementation Is Going To Cause Me To Leave Cakewalk
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☄ Helpfulby synkrotron 2017/01/04 07:57:03
SilverBlueMedallion I am sure I will catch heat from users on here who get emotionally worked up over a piece of software they didn't even write and/or don't have stock in... always happens.
Probably talking about me  No heat here. I simply feel as I have tried to help you with solutions on many of these threads but the solutions I (and others) have provided never seem to be good enough. So I got to a point where I felt like I was wasting my time. I can agree with you,. Sonar does need work in some areas and you have every right to feel like Sonar should do exactly what you want it to... But in 75% of these threads, it does everything you want it to... But just not how you like. You see Sonar is not a dedicated Midi editor, thus it has to share other features with Audio, Region FX among other things. If it was a dedicated Midi editor it would be aimed more towards what you are trying to accomplish. So I don't blame you for trying another DAW. I would too. I produce a wide variety of music, Sonar does that for me and does it well, do I wish there were easier ways to do my work, sure I do. But if Sonar wasn't doing what I wanted it to, I wouldn't waste my time. I'd already be moving on. Further more, I wouldn't post a thread with all my problems. What does this help ? Your time would be better spent working on music. Cakewalk has been decent enough to let us have this forum to work out our issues. And this forum right here is better than anything else I've seen on the net. The fastest turn around for solutions. So what ever DAW you choose next, I can guarantee you, there wont be people jumping to help you like are here. What ever you choose, I hope you find the software you are looking for. Good luck.
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Re: Poor MIDI Implementation Is Going To Cause Me To Leave Cakewalk
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☄ Helpfulby FLZapped 2017/03/07 17:05:44
It did start as a dedicated midi editor though, before it evolution to a DAW, and if it wasn't for that, it wouldn't have ever existed, for about the same amount of time it's been a dedicated DAW
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Re: Poor MIDI Implementation Is Going To Cause Me To Leave Cakewalk
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☄ Helpfulby tenfoot 2017/01/04 11:23:23
I agree that SONAR has drifted from its earlier focus on MIDI. It's sad because when I started with Cakewalk in the 80's there was literally nothing better around for MIDI, and that remained the case for 30 years. That said, I don't reach the same conclusion as the OP. I, too, am no casual MIDI user. I use it extensively. But unlike the OP I have not once been stymied by SONAR's MIDI implementation. Sometimes by my own lack of skill or imagination, but never by a bug or a missing feature. Sure, it could benefit from some high-level conveniences (e.g. a simple, reliable process for eliminating duplicate notes), but it's far from a "poor design". From this software designer's perspective, I'd characterize it as elegant and functional. But as with any software, there's always room for enhancements.
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Re: Poor MIDI Implementation Is Going To Cause Me To Leave Cakewalk
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☄ Helpfulby microapp 2017/01/04 16:47:43
I personally just find it way too cumbersome and it has reached a point where workflow is taking a back seat to workarounds.
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Re: Poor MIDI Implementation Is Going To Cause Me To Leave Cakewalk
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Re: Poor MIDI Implementation Is Going To Cause Me To Leave Cakewalk
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☄ Helpfulby microapp 2017/01/04 16:48:04
SilverBlueMedallion, just switch to a different DAW. I spent years arguing here for the bug fixes I need, posting evidence that things were broken, and nothing ever changed. Eventually I tried a new DAW and it beats Sonar in almost every way that matters to me, so I'm happy. I only come back to check on bug fixes that might help my many legacy projects, but even deploying bug fixes properly seems to be difficult to do. They've never seemed dismissive of problems, just unable to resolve them in a timely manner, probably due to a lack of resources. So it's best to just move on.
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Re: Poor MIDI Implementation Is Going To Cause Me To Leave Cakewalk
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☄ Helpfulby Loptec 2017/01/04 12:03:11
If you're going to buy Reason, check out ReWiring it into SONAR. SONAR has what Reason doesn't have. They're a great combination. That said, the specialty of one of Cakewalk's new engineers is MIDI. So the company realizes what needs to be done next, but I guarantee it won't happen next week.
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Re: Poor MIDI Implementation Is Going To Cause Me To Leave Cakewalk
2017/01/04 10:24:42
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bitman What ever shall we do?
knew there would people like this. Instead of actually making a proper argument or adding to the conversation, you decide to get all butthurt some stranger you dont know doesn't like the same DAW product you do. Emotional IQ of a 4 year old. Congratulations.
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Re: Poor MIDI Implementation Is Going To Cause Me To Leave Cakewalk
2017/01/04 10:28:46
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2 Anderton If you're going to buy Reason, check out ReWiring it into SONAR. SONAR has what Reason doesn't have. They're a great combination. That said, the specialty of one of Cakewalk's new engineers is MIDI. So the company realizes what needs to be done next, but I guarantee it won't happen next week.
That is nice to hear Anderton. I really hope they resolve these long standing issues. I truly believe the entire MIDI engine needs a re-code. I am a lifetime member, so I obviously am not going anywhere, and when it comes time for mixing I will probably be using Sonar, but for MIDI programming, I might have to jump ship, which is aggravating. Rewire seems like it might be cool, not sure I will need it, but will check. Thank You!
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Re: Poor MIDI Implementation Is Going To Cause Me To Leave Cakewalk
2017/01/04 10:42:02
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Anderton That said, the specialty of one of Cakewalk's new engineers is MIDI. So the company realizes what needs to be done next, but I guarantee it won't happen next week.
Did they lose all the staff that had midi expertise then? Surely they don't just have one now?
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Re: Poor MIDI Implementation Is Going To Cause Me To Leave Cakewalk
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Kamikaze
Anderton That said, the specialty of one of Cakewalk's new engineers is MIDI. So the company realizes what needs to be done next, but I guarantee it won't happen next week.
Did they lose all the staff that had midi expertise then? Surely they don't just have one now?
Of course not. I said it's one engineer's specialty.
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Re: Poor MIDI Implementation Is Going To Cause Me To Leave Cakewalk
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☄ Helpfulby dcumpian 2017/01/04 13:56:21
SilverBlueMedallion Emotional IQ of a 4 year old. Congratulations.
Some would say that applies to people who think it actually matters to other people what software they use... Objectively speaking, the OP did not initiate a discussion. You have simply posted a laundry list of frustrations, and as azslow3 has pointed out, they are not all of universal relevance by any means. The "discussion" is simple: Like all software, SONAR has limitations. Like all companies, the manufacturer is working on removing those limitations. Like all efforts to remove limitations, they don't happen fast enough for the company or its users. Unlike all companies, Cakewalk is willing to have a forum that tolerates noise as well as signal. There's a reason why Propellerheads and Ableton canned their communities, and also, why they won't be the only companies to do so. Find a solution, get back to work, and make music. If there is no solution, do what Ableton did - they wrote their own program that solved their specific needs (i.e., live performance).
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Re: Poor MIDI Implementation Is Going To Cause Me To Leave Cakewalk
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Anderton
SilverBlueMedallion Emotional IQ of a 4 year old. Congratulations.
Some would say that applies to people who think it actually matters to other people what software they use... Objectively speaking, the OP did not initiate a discussion. You have simply posted a laundry list of frustrations, and as azslow3 has pointed out, they are not all of universal relevance by any means. The "discussion" is simple: Like all software, SONAR has limitations. Like all companies, the manufacturer is working on removing those limitations. Like all efforts to remove limitations, they don't happen fast enough for the company or its users. Unlike all companies, Cakewalk is willing to have a forum that tolerates noise as well as signal. There's a reason why Propellerheads and Ableton canned their communities, and also, why they won't be the only companies to do so. Find a solution, get back to work, and make music. If there is no solution, do what Ableton did - they wrote their own program that solved their specific needs (i.e., live performance).
well that last response is really a nice way to wrap this post with a bow and softly kiss it away as 'no big deal'... but the fact is.... for over a decade the same MIDI bugs have existed within Sonar causing users to leave and/or have major problems with the product interrupting creative workflow. It's like saying "all parents hit their kids sometimes". Yes, its software and far more trivial than that, but the logic of saying "all software has their limitations" is really just a way to soften the intended impact of the post. When it comes to MIDI implementation, like I said, Sonar might be the worst or close to it. There are decade-long bugs out there that have been brought up by myself and others over the years. Without posts like these, the necessary visibility may not make its way up to the bakers as easily. My posts have often times led to private messages being sent from Cakewalk engineers themselves to me where we work on things together, infact I have one going on right now. The tone and subject matter, and writing style is crafted INTENTIONALLY to enhance the chances of visibility by the bakers. Who wants to get lost down in the flow?
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Re: Poor MIDI Implementation Is Going To Cause Me To Leave Cakewalk
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I've had Reason since v4. It still can't do simple things like many DAWs do like drag and drop midi, change instruments on a track without doing a drag and drop. It can't do something like groove clip looping like in most DAWs. Sure there is a duplicate function but not like most DAWs. There is also no assignable hot keys. While there is limits because it's proprietary it starts to be a cash cow with proprietary REs. I like it for what it is. There does seem to be common request and complaint that are on other DAW forums is improvement in MIDI.
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Re: Poor MIDI Implementation Is Going To Cause Me To Leave Cakewalk
2017/01/04 11:38:39
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kitekrazy1 I've had Reason since v4. It still can't do simple things like many DAWs do like drag and drop midi, change instruments on a track without doing a drag and drop. It can't do something like groove clip looping like in most DAWs. Sure there is a duplicate function but not like most DAWs. There is also no assignable hot keys. While there is limits because it's proprietary it starts to be a cash cow with proprietary REs. I like it for what it is. There does seem to be common request and complaint that are on other DAW forums is improvement in MIDI.
yea I realize that, I am looking more into Cubase. It seems to be the Grand Daddy of MIDI
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Re: Poor MIDI Implementation Is Going To Cause Me To Leave Cakewalk
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kitekrazy1 I've had Reason since v4. It still can't do simple things like many DAWs do like drag and drop midi, change instruments on a track without doing a drag and drop. It can't do something like groove clip looping like in most DAWs. Sure there is a duplicate function but not like most DAWs. There is also no assignable hot keys. While there is limits because it's proprietary it starts to be a cash cow with proprietary REs. I like it for what it is. There does seem to be common request and complaint that are on other DAW forums is improvement in MIDI.
yea I realize that, I am looking more into Cubase. It seems to be the Grand Daddy of MIDI
I agree. Even their users complain about midi problems. I didn't think that was possible.
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Re: Poor MIDI Implementation Is Going To Cause Me To Leave Cakewalk
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☄ Helpfulby Sheanes 2017/01/04 13:02:08
If you are leaving, just leave. Don't stand there with the door half closed looking back saying "I'm leeeaaavvving" - does anybody (sniffle) care? Seriously? With all the DAWs out there, just go make yourself happy. You can bad mouth us all from over there in their forum.
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☄ Helpfulby joel77 2017/01/04 21:21:27
Cubase will frustrate you in other ways. Been there, done that. Same with Reaper. Never tried Logic because I don't use a Mac, but I create lots of music with Sonar. Could it be better? Sure, but I don't have time to dwell on it. Dan
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☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2017/03/07 22:56:24
bitman If you are leaving, just leave. Don't stand there with the door half closed looking back saying "I'm leeeaaavvving" - does anybody (sniffle) care?  Seriously? With all the DAWs out there, just go make yourself happy. You can bad mouth us all from over there in their forum.
why even respond? why should I "just leave"? and like I said earlier, I will still use Sonar for its audio editing piece once I export my MIDI to WAV in another DAW. Who have I bad mouthed? Why are you so butt hurt over this post? Why should there be a specific way I need to act? I am simply making a post with my gripes about the product. You only want "I Love Sonar" posts?
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☄ Helpfulby williamcopper 2017/03/07 10:10:46
bitman If you are leaving, just leave. Don't stand there with the door half closed looking back saying "I'm leeeaaavvving" - does anybody (sniffle) care?  Seriously? With all the DAWs out there, just go make yourself happy. You can bad mouth us all from over there in their forum.
I hate posts like this. It's like "since you refuse to be part of our fanboy club get out". It's so reminiscence of what this forum use to be and it's reputation was known to outside users. Ever heard "beat down Sonar style"? A phrase used some years ago in other forums.
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Re: Poor MIDI Implementation Is Going To Cause Me To Leave Cakewalk
2017/01/04 14:22:40
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kitekrazy1
bitman If you are leaving, just leave. Don't stand there with the door half closed looking back saying "I'm leeeaaavvving" - does anybody (sniffle) care?  Seriously? With all the DAWs out there, just go make yourself happy. You can bad mouth us all from over there in their forum.
I hate posts like this. It's like "since you refuse to be part of our fanboy club get out". It's so reminiscence of what this forum use to be and it's reputation was known to outside users. Ever heard "beat down Sonar style"? A phrase used some years ago in other forums.
totally agree. I posted this to hopefully get the bakers attention and for users to read. Not to piss anyone off. Its amazing how emotionally attached some people get to their DAW...as if I am insulting their mother's cooking.
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☄ Helpfulby dwardzala 2017/01/06 18:22:23
If you want the Baker's attention, submit feature requests and/or problem reports as required.
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