Can you spare a little therapy for a struggling musician/audio engineer/songwriter?

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Jim Roseberry
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Re: Can you spare a little therapy for a struggling musician/audio engineer/songwriter? 2017/08/18 13:36:35 (permalink)
tonyzub999
Thanks Jim. I really appreciate your expertise. Is there a way to check to see whether a Firewire driver is in the laptop and if so which one? I guess another more important question is whether I need a Firewire driver or whether the thunderbolt 3 is backward compatible. This is all way beyond technical knowledge.



Hi Tony,
Look in Device Manager.
You should see a section called 1394 Bus Host Controllers.
Your Firewire controller should be listed under there.
If not, the machine isn't recognizing it... (and thus nothing connected to it would be recognized/function).

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Re: Can you spare a little therapy for a struggling musician/audio engineer/songwriter? 2017/08/18 13:50:07 (permalink)
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It looks like you are trying to convert a FireWire audio interface to Thunderbolt 3 at the PC end.
 
FireWire Audio <=====> Converters <=====> Thunderbolt 3 over USB-C (no FireWire port on PC)



On paper, the chain should work... but both these components can potentially be incompatible (especially on PC).  Running both increases the odds of an issue.
  • Apple Thunderbolt-3 (USB-C) to Thunderbolt (Thunderbolt-2) adapter
  • Apple Thunderbolt to Firewire
We've had very good luck with the Apple Thunderbolt-3 to Thunderbolt-2 adapter.
It's worked on every PC and Mac configuration we've tried (desktop and laptop)... but it was used to connect a Thunderbolt audio interface (not daisy-chained with another adapter).

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Re: Can you spare a little therapy for a struggling musician/audio engineer/songwriter? 2017/08/18 14:16:21 (permalink)
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tonyzub999
Thanks Jim. I really appreciate your expertise. Is there a way to check to see whether a Firewire driver is in the laptop and if so which one? I guess another more important question is whether I need a Firewire driver or whether the thunderbolt 3 is backward compatible. This is all way beyond technical knowledge.



Hi Tony,
Look in Device Manager.
You should see a section called 1394 Bus Host Controllers.
Your Firewire controller should be listed under there.
If not, the machine isn't recognizing it... (and thus nothing connected to it would be recognized/function).




The Dell Precision 5510 that the OP is inquiring about has these ports listed.  Don't see any FireWire.  I assume that is why he is attempting to daisychain his Focusrite Liquid Saffire 56 into his Dell via USB-C.
 
5510 Ports and Connectors:

Audio • One headset port (headphone and microphone combo)

USB 3.0 • two USB 3.0 ports with PowerShare

One Thunderbolt 3 port with PowerShare (USB-C)

Video • one HDMI 1.4

Memory card reader  SD 4.0

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Re: Can you spare a little therapy for a struggling musician/audio engineer/songwriter? 2017/08/18 14:52:51 (permalink)
Focusrite support told me to use the adaptors. It's the only way to make the connection between the Saffire Liquid 56 which is firewire 400/800 9 pin and my new laptop which is thunderbolt 3.
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Re: Can you spare a little therapy for a struggling musician/audio engineer/songwriter? 2017/08/18 14:53:29 (permalink)
Thanks Jim I will try that tonight.
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Re: Can you spare a little therapy for a struggling musician/audio engineer/songwriter? 2017/08/18 14:55:04 (permalink)
Abacab, Correct
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Re: Can you spare a little therapy for a struggling musician/audio engineer/songwriter? 2017/08/19 19:18:31 (permalink)
Jim, Abacab and others, I did not see a 1394 Bus Host Controller anywhere.  Here's what's there
 
Under Audio inputs and outputs I have
     Microphone (Realtek High Def Audio)
     Speakers/Headphones (Realtek High Def Audio)
 
Under Sound, Video and Game Controllers
     Intel(R) Display Audio
     Realtek High Definition Audio
 
Universal Serial Bus Controllers
     Intel(R) USB 3.0 eXtensible Host Controller-1.0 (Microsoft)
     USB Composite Device
     USB Root Hub (USB3.0)
 
Is there somewhere else I should look?  I checked every folder in Device Manager and didn't see anything.
 
So now I am still confused.  Several users said that their drivers were loaded with Windows.  I checked my Windows and it said I was up to date.  I didn't see anything for Thunderbolt or USB-C either. Not sure why it's not in there.  I saw an article in Microsoft in how to manually load 1394 legacy drivers.  Should I do that
 
So do I need both the 1394 and Thunderbolt?  Now what???  I'm still confused. 
 
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Re: Can you spare a little therapy for a struggling musician/audio engineer/songwriter? 2017/08/19 19:44:44 (permalink)
Well clearly, if you had a 1394 (FireWire) controller aboard, your problem with the Saffire 56 would be solved.  No adapters needed either.
 
But unfortunately most laptops today do not ship with 1394 (FireWire).
 
I do not have USB-C or Thunderbolt in any of my machines, so I am not clear how it should present itself in Device Manager.  Maybe somebody who has it will chip in here!
 
But I assume that if the USB-C hardware device is equipped, and enabled in the BIOS, there should be SOMETHING in there.
 
Maybe it is disabled in the Dell BIOS by default, and needs to be enabled?
 

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Re: Can you spare a little therapy for a struggling musician/audio engineer/songwriter? 2017/08/19 19:56:28 (permalink)
I know usually disable devices and busses not in use. It's less of a problem these days with ACPI/EFI BIOS although I do that by default.

I have computer stuff.
 
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Re: Can you spare a little therapy for a struggling musician/audio engineer/songwriter? 2017/08/20 20:20:17 (permalink)
If there's no 1394 Bus Host Controller section in Device Manager, the Thunderbolt to Firewire adapter isn't working.
If it were working, there would be a Firewire controller listed.

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Re: Can you spare a little therapy for a struggling musician/audio engineer/songwriter? 2017/08/31 19:30:14 (permalink)
In Power Options, I always set PCI Express -- Link State Power Management -- OFF.
I don't know if this helps or hurts, but I think it keeps Firewire from ever going to sleep.

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