Bob In Portland
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Using VST arpeggiators
I am stumped. I've been using Cakewalk in its various iterations for decades, but I've never used a VST arpeggiator, like Cream or Obelisk, in my music. Now I'm trying and I'm stumped. I really need someone to point me to how to do this. I've looked in the Cakewalk manual online and I'm still having problems. Obelisk has examples of how to use it with different DAWs, but not Sonar. Can someone help? What goes out of where into what? Thanks in advance. I'm working with Sonar Platinum .
post edited by Bob In Portland - 2017/08/22 00:04:41
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Bob In Portland
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Re: Using VST arpeggiators
2017/08/21 23:16:16
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Ok. I have a midi track on track 1, I've got a soft synth on track two, I've got Obelisk arp on track 3 and a midi track on track four.
I send the midi from track 1 to track 2. Everything is checked for midi echo. The synth on track two plays the midi from track 1.
Now what? I can't get the arp to accept a midi echoing through the synth. How do I get track 3, with the arp, to accept a midi from the synth on track 2? Or am I not visualizing this correctly?
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Bob In Portland
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Re: Using VST arpeggiators
2017/08/21 23:44:50
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An alternate and not working attempt.
On track one is the original midi track. On track two is the synth track. The Obelisk arp in soft synth is inserted in the synth rack but not visible in the main track page. There is now an Obelisk primary on track three. No matter how I try to set it it defaults to the main audio out. Track four is a midi track which is undisturbed by track 3.
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Re: Using VST arpeggiators
2017/08/22 03:21:14
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I can't copy and paste the link right now, but there's a VST arpegiattor called Cthulhu, and if you search this forum for "How to use Cthulhu" and then scroll down, you will see that someone explains how to use it in Sonar.
It should be the same procedure with your VST arp.
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Brando
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Re: Using VST arpeggiators
2017/08/22 15:27:47
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Hangdog Cat
I can't copy and paste the link right now, but there's a VST arpegiattor called Cthulhu, and if you search this forum for "How to use Cthulhu" and then scroll down, you will see that someone explains how to use it in Sonar.
It should be the same procedure with your VST arp.
http://forum.cakewalk.com...-Cthulhu-m3455347.aspx
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Re: Using VST arpeggiators
2017/08/22 15:45:29
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I recalling having trouble getting it to work once or twice, or more like, it worked, but stopped working. A bug.
It became impossible to get it to work. Made a new project and moved things over to make it work again.
Hasn't happened in recent versions.
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Re: Using VST arpeggiators
2017/08/22 17:04:22
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frragnarsson
A bug.
Not that I don't believe you - but I have used chthulu and many other ' similar' types of vst/vsti's in SONAR for years - they work reliably and consistently. If I have an issue it inevitably gets back to my routing or missing some little thing that isn't immediately obvious. If there was a bug that prevented this from working correctly I must have missed it. Or it missed me.
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Re: Using VST arpeggiators
2017/08/22 17:33:38
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Brando
frragnarsson
A bug.
Not that I don't believe you - but I have used chthulu and many other 'similar' types of vst/vsti's in SONAR for years - they work reliably and consistently. If I have an issue it inevitably gets back to my routing or missing some little thing that isn't immediately obvious.
If there was a bug that prevented this from working correctly I must have missed it. Or it missed me.
It happened last winter. I very much doubt it had anything to to with the plugin. I was not using chtulu, but a similar vst. Actually trying to make up my mind about buying Cirnu Cream, trying out the Computer Music version. The only "strange" thing I did was replacing the synth it controlled couple of times, that by itself has very often caused crashes in Sonar. But not this time. This time it stopped working, no matter what, including synths that worked previously. I spent far too long time trying to find a reason for it, coming to the conlusion, it was a bug the creeped in the project. Restart or reload did nothing. I suspect it had to do with recent changes with routing in Sonar, that has probably been fixed by now.
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Re: Using VST arpeggiators
2017/08/22 18:04:30
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frragnarsson
I very much doubt it had anything to to with the plugin.
I was not using chtulu, but a similar vst. Actually trying to make up my mind about buying Cirnu Cream, trying out the Computer Music version.
Why (do you very much doubt it had anything to do with the plugin) - how are you certain it was (?) a SONAR bug? I also had issues from time to time resolving SONAR's routing, especially after the MIDI routing fixes you alluded to - which made it necessary to be more specific about device/port and channel. But I was always able to figure out where I had an error in my setup and go from there. One man's bug is another man's face palm. BTW - what version of SONAR?
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Re: Using VST arpeggiators
2017/08/22 18:06:02
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FWIW I have never owned Kirnu Cream and have heard that setting it up is challenging
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Re: Using VST arpeggiators
2017/08/22 19:58:03
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I'm with you Brando. I have used Cake products for 20 or so years (starting with Cakewalk 3 - not Sonar 3!).
I have a handful of developers who seem to have not tested their gear on all the available DAWs.
At an earlier phase in my life, I was an electronics engineer. While I did analog, wrote tons of programs to support my work. Small changes in an OS (here an IBM 370 vs a CDC Star 100) could make a program not port well to that second device. And that was 30 years ago!!!!
I used to run obelisk. I had issues constantly with it.
I have a lot of plugins (not quite 30x30, but approaching that!). The number that do not work with Sonar is small. I blame the plugin manufacturers.
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Re: Using VST arpeggiators
2017/08/22 21:37:21
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There are some strange replies here. Somehow user error are essentially always the problem, but bugs don't happen.
As a professional in the software industry for a few decades, it's rather alien, especially alien to exclude the possibility of bugs.
Especially when Cakewalk report monthly several bug fixes.
In my case it was impossible to have the project more simple or the routing of a plugin simpler, but I'm also thorough in making sure I'm not doing anything wrong, experience from the industry that I work in. I find and report bugs all the time.
The attitude towards other users is at times rather sad here.
Someone asked, I'm using Sonar Platinum and was at the time.
I'm a happy user and very satisfied in the progress Sonar has made since X3, especially in stability.
I actually owned a DOS version once, came with a Midi Cable for SB card.
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Bob In Portland
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Re: Using VST arpeggiators
2017/08/22 22:16:31
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Unfortunately, none of the above seems to work.
MIDI track into soft synth, soft synth into obelisk, obelisk into another midi track, second
midi track into soft synth.
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Brando
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Re: Using VST arpeggiators
2017/08/22 23:00:40
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☄ Helpfulby Bob In Portland 2017/08/23 20:15:41
frragnarsson
There are some strange replies here.
You said you very much doubted that it was the plugin. I asked why you presumed it was Sonar not the Computer Magazine demo plug-in you were using. You replied that you were a professional in the software industry. Is just the fact I questioned your expertise a "strange reply"? Nowhere did I suggest there are no bugs in SONAR. I've reported plenty and benefited from many bug fixes. Though I'm not a software professional (just an owner of a small studio) and clearly not as skilled as you in trouble shooting, I'm smart enough to not call something a bug without more to corroborate beyond what you have provided so far. Oh - and my midi ARP VSTi's work. Have yourself a fine day.
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Re: Using VST arpeggiators
2017/08/22 23:49:37
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They way I think about is: midi-track (typically cord or single note) -> arpeggiator -> soft synth (e.g. Zeta).
Since the VST-Arp is an instrument, you need to set input echo on it in order to feed the soft synth.
That being said, I have found the routing to be temperamental, and I think it has to with the auto-focus on tracks.
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