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Recording latency goblins coming from?
Been working today and noticed some VSTs (RapPro so far) are giving me sputtering latency and dropouts when try and record. I thought it was everything but I loaded up NI's FM8 and it worked fine.
I've got DPC Latency Checker up and it's showing me green goodness the whole time. I'm running my Octa Capture at a 256 buffer size. I'm gonna go load up a few more contenders and see what's what, but figured I'd chime in first in case anyone had good troubleshooting tips.
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Re: Recording latency goblins coming from?
2017/09/21 14:35:27
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I'm gonna give this a bump to see if I catch any of the tech gurus on here. :-)
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Re: Recording latency goblins coming from?
2017/09/21 14:44:23
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Re: Recording latency goblins coming from?
2017/09/21 15:38:17
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Re: Recording latency goblins coming from?
2017/09/21 19:14:18
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Okee. Well after those depressing reads I realized I DO have a Focusrite SOLO sitting here from my laptop rig so I swapped that in instead. I'm running at 44.1/16 and have tried 256 and 512 for my buffers.
RapPro is still sputtering and laggy. FM8 (these examples are arbitrary at this point) is okay, records okay too.
DPC Latency is still in the green but right up against the 500microsec mark.
So, same result with different interface. :-(
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Re: Recording latency goblins coming from?
2017/09/21 22:17:26
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DID you increase your midi buffers? I use 1,200
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Re: Recording latency goblins coming from?
2017/09/22 06:40:11
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Does that happens with any patch in the RP? Check RAM/CPU consumption on the system (with Windows resource monitor). Note that DPC is only a part of the story, f.e. I have dropouts when recording (only) audio (only) under low settings (in Sonar only), while DPC shows everything is "green". I mean I can record MIDI at that settings in Sonar, I can just play with echo monitoring on (without recording) in Sonar and I can record in Waveform. But under the same conditions, I have to increase the buffer to record in Sonar (my current guess that is something to do with graphics  )
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Re: Recording latency goblins coming from?
2017/09/22 17:40:34
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MIDI buffers: increased (I'm assuming the main ones, not the playback ones listed further down in options)
Still there, only with more latency now?
Certain patches in RapPro DO play a little better, but what can that be a horsepower issue? I'd think my rig could handle it. It WAS handling it a few months back.
Gonna try cycling through plugs and make a rough list, but my gut tells me the problem is somewhere else.
Plus, with all the buffer (audio and MIDI) and driver settings tweaks my latency is pretty high now. I had better latency on my old Firebox! (I loved that unit)
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Re: Recording latency goblins coming from?
2017/09/22 20:09:45
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My experiance is that setting midi buffers high has zero effect on midi latency. What it does is allow Sonar to store more data in it's buffers so if there is a LOT of data it will not get missed causeing a midi drop out.
As far as I can tell the higher the number the better. Not sure what the perfect number is but I just cranked it to 1,200 and I have no problems. 800 might also be fine. But the default, 250 is not enough for most of us
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Re: Recording latency goblins coming from?
2017/09/22 21:27:23
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Re: Recording latency goblins coming from?
2017/09/24 17:01:49
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Gotcha, will DL and test tomorrow when I'm home for the day!
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Re: Recording latency goblins coming from?
2017/09/26 23:24:45
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Hey all, I'm back.
Been using LatencyMon to check what's going on after doing some Windows maintenance (just running utilities and making sure everything else like RAM, HD's, and whatnot are running ok).
So back in my SONAR project, which only has RapPro and FM8 in it. FM8 again plays well and records well, RapPro does not. LatencyMon has me no higher than 85microsecs (note: not milisecs) and I'm running at 256 in the Focusrite ASIO panel.
Actually, a little clarification: FM8 does eventually and intermittently have some latency and noise issues. I'm gonna sit down and roll through a few different VSTs and see what happens.
In addition, my wireless mouse gets a little sluggish at times too. Performance overall is just in the toilet. My hunch is some driver or background service is not playing nice. But I wanted to check in to see if anyone had a good recipe for hunting this down.
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Re: Recording latency goblins coming from?
2017/09/27 00:37:10
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Re: Recording latency goblins coming from?
2017/09/27 03:16:31
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Well here's a random update: after some more utilities running and research it looks like my main audio drive is failing! I'm running chkdsk now on it. Sigh.
Fortunately I just backed up last week, which is a good reminder to all of you out there! ;-)
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Re: Recording latency goblins coming from?
2017/09/27 13:05:56
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Re: Recording latency goblins coming from?
2017/09/27 14:43:15
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Well glad your found the problem, I have a similar issue with Sonar crashing randomly on longer sessions. Mine points to my C drive is going south. It's a 4 year old SSD one of the first gen Samsung EVO's it's only a 120 GB
At least your only facing swapping a data drive,, that's easy :)
I'm just waiting for a sale on a new SSD 240 Gig.
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Re: Recording latency goblins coming from?
2017/09/27 14:58:11
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Cactus Music
Well glad your found the problem, I have a similar issue with Sonar crashing randomly on longer sessions. Mine points to my C drive is going south. It's a 4 year old SSD one of the first gen Samsung EVO's it's only a 120 GB
At least your only facing swapping a data drive,, that's easy :)
I'm just waiting for a sale on a new SSD 240 Gig.
The Samsung EVO 850's were on sale recently. I have been using one daily for almost 2 years, and it is still at 100%. Great performer!
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Re: Recording latency goblins coming from?
2017/09/27 16:56:09
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What is the best way to check the health of your hard drives? I am getting suspicious of mine, as well.
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Re: Recording latency goblins coming from?
2017/09/27 18:51:09
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I just ran the Windows built in one , https://windowsinstructed.com/run-chkdsk-windows/ It repaired some bad sectors and then said all was good and since then I had only one crash. The disk is at 68 % and I can't really ditch anything from it. I found one on sale for $128 CAN so I ordered it. I'm not looking forware to the Cloning and see what happens deal. I've never messed much with W10. I still have my W 8.2 original disk if all else fails.
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Re: Recording latency goblins coming from?
2017/09/27 19:01:04
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Re: Recording latency goblins coming from?
2017/09/27 19:13:15
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Cactus Music
I just ran the Windows built in one ,
https://windowsinstructed.com/run-chkdsk-windows/
It repaired some bad sectors and then said all was good and since then I had only one crash. The disk is at 68 % and I can't really ditch anything from it.
I found one on sale for $128 CAN so I ordered it.
I'm not looking forware to the Cloning and see what happens deal. I've never messed much with W10. I still have my W 8.2 original disk if all else fails.
The Samsung disk migration utility that came with my SSD did a great job for me. If your new SSD comes with a utility, that is probably the best option. Some backup/imaging tools also offer a cloning option. Disk imaging and cloning are very similar procedures, except for one major difference. Imaging makes a copy of your disk into a file container, for archival or restore purposes, where cloning is a disk to disk copy. A cloned drive should be ready to plug and play, where with an image, you would need to deal with restoring the image file to a physical drive first. There are generally two options for connecting the new drive for cloning: 1. Use a spare SATA port temporarily if on a desktop PC. 2. Use a USB docking adapter for a 2.5" SATA drive (this would work in either a desktop or laptop). After the cloning process is complete, just power off, swap the old drive with the new, and boot up! 
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Re: Recording latency goblins coming from?
2017/09/27 19:17:59
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It also probably should be said, that if you have any plugins or any software with activation schemes locked to your hardware, you might want to de-activate them before swapping drives, just in case.
I don't think anything with iLok License Manager software activation would be affected, but some vendors have been known to have issues.
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Re: Recording latency goblins coming from?
2017/09/27 19:50:09
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Try renaming aud.ini and restarting Sonar. ( I have Octa-Capture)
This helped me a few times in the past. Right now I am SPLAT latest, Win 10 latest, and I am running rock solid and have been for a few months now after a few rough months.
Biggest performance boost I ever got from anything was a SSD !
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Re: Recording latency goblins coming from?
2017/09/27 20:25:58
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auto_da_fe
Try renaming aud.ini and restarting Sonar. ( I have Octa-Capture)
This helped me a few times in the past. Right now I am SPLAT latest, Win 10 latest, and I am running rock solid and have been for a few months now after a few rough months.
Biggest performance boost I ever got from anything was a SSD !
JR
You should read the thread. The OP discovered his audio drive is failing.
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Re: Recording latency goblins coming from?
2017/09/28 00:11:21
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That's okay. The only reason I haven't marked the thread "solved" is because I want to get a new drive in there and see if the problem goes away. Sometimes you fork off the path and find other problems. Grr.
Big ups on the previous suggestion of a USB drive dock. I keep an open USB extension on the desk and when it's backup time I just plug it into the dock and do backups.
I keep three drives: OS SSD gets a full image backup because it's, y'know, the OS. D Drive is my virtual instruments and samples for them drive. This gets a file backup I can dig manually into if necessary. E Drive is my active audio drive for SONAR, my personal samples collection, and video stuff. It also gets a file backup.
I was shocked to find 1TB drives now go for just $50! Amazing.
But back to my drive issue, CHKDSK completed and I noted several hundred file block repair attempts. I ran it with all three options active so I was expecting to see the next ping on it show it to have less capacity but it doesn't. That makes me suspicious.
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