mettelus
Not sure why, but I get this terrible feeling Gibson's marketing had a hand in this product.

Why do you say that?

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Alex Westner [Cakewalk]

Mesh
Thanks Alex for the details.....it's just that subscription model that's putting me off. If there was a way we could purchase it outright, that would definitely change the outlook..... 

Interesting, I'd love to chat with you guys more about this.
 
During some customer interviews we did get objections about subscription models in general. With one guy, in particular, he said he just hated them.
 
So I said, "Would you pay $0/month for Momentum?"
 
He said, "Well, that's free, of course I would."
 
I followed up with, "So then what's the lowest dollar amount you'd pay above $0?"
 
He said, "Something like $3/month would be reasonable, I guess, but I don't think you guys would go for that."
 
I said, "No, that's great feedback, and it's in the ballpark of what we've been thinking". 
 
Then he said, "Well, what happens when I stop paying my subscription? Do I lose all my audio?"
 
I said, "No, the point of Momentum is to get your audio out of the platform so you can keep working on it. You can always drag-drop or copy audio out of Momentum and onto your Desktop or in your DAW. So before you stop paying, you'd just grab everything you want/need."
 
He said, "Ok, that's cool then."

Interesting story.... what's also interesting is he "hated" the subscription model, but still subscribed.....(must've been the money thing). 

I can't speak for others in here, but I personally just don't like being tied down/committed to a monthly subscription plan (even at $3). I understand there are costs in maintaining/supporting it and the subscription model will facilitate that well, but I'd rather pay a "little" extra (when initially buying) for that support and own it outright.
 
I suppose it's probably just having a peace of mind....(just the way I feel about owning Sonar Platinum and all the other software I bought).     

I understand the simplicity and security of owning something outright.
 
With the Momentum Plans, you wouldn't be "tied down" in that you could pay monthly and start/stop whenever you want.
 
And, you'd probably save a ton of money compared to what we'd have to charge as a one-time fee for unlimited, lifetime cloud syncing, which would could be so high as to not make sense. But, we could be wrong about that.
 
I can just ask you directly: considering a $2.99/month, $29.99/year subscription plan, what would you expect to be for a one-time lifetime fee instead?
 
Also, if you don't mind me continuing to dig in, can you say more about what "peace of mind" means to you? I'd love to learn other ways we can help provide this.

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Why do you think its half done? We have all the features we intended to release in the first version fully baked in what we released. Perhaps you are confusing early access which was done last week. Yesterday we released the full app.
Also I'm not sure what you are expecting from this app. It is NOT intended to be a DAW but its a quick access capture device for ideas and as such the features are streamlined for fast and easy capture without burying the user in features that are not key to this task. 

You are correct. I don't have my device so I've not been able to install it, myself and didn't know the companion tool was already released as I thought that was a "coming soon but not yet" feature so I was mistaken in that. That said, hopefully it works as intended without hitch in all DAWs and that they got extensive internal testing so as not to bugger up when someone goes to use it. I see far too many products released these days without the proper testing time to work the kinks out.

I don't have a subscription to Izotope, but they manage to take at least £100 a year off me in upgrade costs if not more. I paid a year upfront subscription to Noiiz and am no longer tempted by sample packs as they have more than I will ever need and it keeps growing, so I don't think there are any wrong answers with either model, You either see it as good value for you personally or not.

Mesh

Alex Westner [Cakewalk]

Mesh
Thanks Alex for the details.....it's just that subscription model that's putting me off. If there was a way we could purchase it outright, that would definitely change the outlook..... 

Interesting, I'd love to chat with you guys more about this.
 
During some customer interviews we did get objections about subscription models in general. With one guy, in particular, he said he just hated them.
 
So I said, "Would you pay $0/month for Momentum?"
 
He said, "Well, that's free, of course I would."
 
I followed up with, "So then what's the lowest dollar amount you'd pay above $0?"
 
He said, "Something like $3/month would be reasonable, I guess, but I don't think you guys would go for that."
 
I said, "No, that's great feedback, and it's in the ballpark of what we've been thinking". 
 
Then he said, "Well, what happens when I stop paying my subscription? Do I lose all my audio?"
 
I said, "No, the point of Momentum is to get your audio out of the platform so you can keep working on it. You can always drag-drop or copy audio out of Momentum and onto your Desktop or in your DAW. So before you stop paying, you'd just grab everything you want/need."
 
He said, "Ok, that's cool then."

Interesting story.... what's also interesting is he "hated" the subscription model, but still subscribed.....(must've been the money thing). 

I can't speak for others in here, but I personally just don't like being tied down/committed to a monthly subscription plan (even at $3). I understand there are costs in maintaining/supporting it and the subscription model will facilitate that well, but I'd rather pay a "little" extra (when initially buying) for that support and own it outright.
 
I suppose it's probably just having a peace of mind....(just the way I feel about owning Sonar Platinum and all the other software I bought).     

I have to agree here, I already have a lot of monthly payments to deal with. I would rather own my software than rent it, just sayin.

Alex Westner [Cakewalk]

Fleer
I’m thinking $50 as a one-time lifetime fee instead. At least offer this during an introductory period to gain, well, momentum.

Sounds reasonable, but I'm not sure the business model could afford it. With our estimated cloud costs alone, we'd start losing money at this price point in a little over a year.

Meant as an opening offer. Just for a week or so. To build momentum 

How have you used Momentum so far? I haven't had the chance to download it yet.
 
I don't see myself playing with small devices so much as maybe using it for track transfer between larger daws.
 
What specifically does it do in terms of acclimating one daw to another? I know it syncs tempo. What else? Does it take the keys across platforms? It seem to do that. What else? What about tracks with ARA written into them? Can they be sent between daws and retain the ARA info. 
 
Once tracks are transferred, does Momentum retain the authority to that track? IOW, are we tied to the cloud from then on, or is a transferred track now in full possession of the end user no strings attached?

For some reason I don't understand, it is compatible with my Android 6.0 phone but not my Wife's Android 6.0 tablet.

To the nourishment and creativity of music
Using things for their positive creativity
Momentum
Music / Song / Idea Tool
Remote DAW Plug-in (RDP)
 
Not a final production tool:
Meaning.. not a final audio output, ready for release application, thats where the DAW comes in. The music, sounds or vocals you record into Momentum can only be as good as the mic in your phone.
Momentum is an “Idea” production plug-in:
Produces “Ideas” ready for production.
Specializing in working directly with your DAW as a Remote DAW Plug-in (RDP)
Changes from an “Idea” plug-in to a production tool in the DAW.
 
Simple Creative Use:
Building a rhythm section.... “Idea” to final product....
A. Set tempo in Momentum (using Metronome).
B. Set track for record.
C. Start recording (use the phone like you are talking into it).
D. Make a clicking noise, with your mouth, where you would like a percussion instrument to hit.
E. Use other tracks and make another noise listening to your last recorded track.
F. Make a new project in your DAW or open one with the same tempo.
G. Bring your new rhythm to your DAW as an “Idea” plug-in.
H. Using Melodyne turn the tracks into midi notes.
I. Use the midi notes to trigger the percussion instruments that you wish.
J. Using your powerful DAW you open your “idea” into a production tool. Right from making clicking noises to triggering real samples that you use everyday.
 
Band Practice / Song creation tool / Recording preparation application: 
... Practice your idea ready to make happen....
A. Set tempo in Momentum (using Metronome).
B. Set track for record.
C. One at a time (just like at a studio sometimes) and lay down your part listing to the other parts in the head phones. Hand the phone and headphones to the next person.
E. Lay down vocals (use the phone like you are talking into it) etc.
F. Bring the whole thing back as a “Idea plug in”.
G. Record new real tracks into your DAW using the plug-in as an “Idea” or as a reference.
H. Using Melodyne turn the tracks into midi notes. Your melody “Idea” becomes a Remote DAW Plug-in (RDP) production plug-in.
 
Notes: Find how your phone handles recording different instruments. Try a different distance to get a reasonable sound, knowing its an “Idea” not a finished recording. Use a selfie stick to hold the phone closer to instruments like an acoustic instrument or maybe an amp.
 
Melody Creation tool
A. Set tempo in Momentum (using Metronome).
B. Set track for record.
C. Hum the notes of your melody. (use the phone like you are talking into it) Try to hum them as cleanly as you can)
E. Use the other tracks to hum counter melodies or parts.
F. Bring the whole thing back as a “Idea plug in”.
G. Record new real tracks into your DAW using the plug-in as an “Idea” or as a reference.
H. Using Melodyne turn the tracks into midi notes. Your melody “Idea” becomes a Remote DAW Plug-in (RDP) production plug-in.

Momentum as a product:
Example: The cost of a cloud space on GoogleDrive is around $1.99 per month. All the drive features are free for the cost of the drive space. Use this as example of cloud space and cost.
 
Momentum:
Application is free. You pay for drive space and specialized Remote DAW Plug-in (RDP) interfacing.