Momentum

Yes it’s on Apple store Momentum Music by Cakewalk...
https://itunes.apple.com/...usic/id1258325760?mt=8

Haven’t had a proper play with it yet.

Not compatible with my device, a Samsung Galaxy Tablet, so Play store tells me. Have installed on my phone but not tried it yet. If it's incompatible with a Galaxy Tab, that's rather poor.

Hear, hear. I mean, there, there.

ZincTrumpet
I had a quick look on my iPad and to be honest it seems like a simple 4 track audio recorder.
There are many similar apps for IOS which are cheap or free. I use LoopyHD which is $3.99 currently but I got it when it was on sale for less.
 
Even the free Apple Music Notes which admittedly only records a single track can then automatically recognise chords, add bass and drums and send the result to Garageband.
 
There's no way I would consider paying a subscription for Momentum and I cannot see myself using even the free version so I have uninstalled it. It should be free for anyone who owns or subscribes to Sonar.
 
One point made over on the AudioBus forum is that users of IOS Z3ta+ feel that it was abandoned by Cakewalk and wouldn't want to get stung again with Momentum.
 
 

Momentum is not a single app on a device. If it were, I agree with you, it would just be a free app.
 
Momentum works on every device you own, and any DAW you use. With automatic cloud sync, your musical ideas and snippets are always available.
 
Some people are using Momentum to record ideas on the smartphones and later drag-drop them into their DAW.
 
Some I spoke to are using it as a plug-in in one DAW to make beats, recording those beats into the Momentum plug-in and then loading the plug-in in their primary music production DAW.
 
Soon we hope to add inter-app audio and more collaboration features that will open up even more possibilities.
 
The bottom line is this—musicians we spoke to often complain they don't have time to make music. And then when they find the time, they just don't feel like wrestling with their DAW just to get an idea down. Momentum is attempting to solve that and help musicians get their ideas out and see them through.
 

is "automatic cloud sync" compulsory, or could i sync via local network, for example?

thanks, it seems there's quite some business logic in the middleman cloud

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TerraSin
You've already made one HUGE mistake: you cannot release a half-done product like this to the general public. 

Why do you think its half done? We have all the features we intended to release in the first version fully baked in what we released. Perhaps you are confusing early access which was done last week. Yesterday we released the full app.
Also I'm not sure what you are expecting from this app. It is NOT intended to be a DAW but its a quick access capture device for ideas and as such the features are streamlined for fast and easy capture without burying the user in features that are not key to this task. 

Mesh
Thanks Alex for the details.....it's just that subscription model that's putting me off. If there was a way we could purchase it outright, that would definitely change the outlook..... 

Interesting, I'd love to chat with you guys more about this.
 
During some customer interviews we did get objections about subscription models in general. With one guy, in particular, he said he just hated them.
 
So I said, "Would you pay $0/month for Momentum?"
 
He said, "Well, that's free, of course I would."
 
I followed up with, "So then what's the lowest dollar amount you'd pay above $0?"
 
He said, "Something like $3/month would be reasonable, I guess, but I don't think you guys would go for that."
 
I said, "No, that's great feedback, and it's in the ballpark of what we've been thinking". 
 
Then he said, "Well, what happens when I stop paying my subscription? Do I lose all my audio?"
 
I said, "No, the point of Momentum is to get your audio out of the platform so you can keep working on it. You can always drag-drop or copy audio out of Momentum and onto your Desktop or in your DAW. So before you stop paying, you'd just grab everything you want/need."
 
He said, "Ok, that's cool then."

TerraSin
I'm still waiting for my phone to get back to try this out but I fall into the category as the others: the subscription prices vs what you get with the subscription are ridiculous and if you don't change it quickly, you're going to get buried in bad reviews.
 
You've already made one HUGE mistake: you cannot release a half-done product like this to the general public. You are keeping this open to download on these app stores and without the features you're looking to put in already existing and easy to use/understand. You're going to kill the project before it even takes its first steps because the general public isn't interested in the whole 'early access' phase. They will download it, see it doesn't do anything special because the features aren't in place, see the price and damage the project by leaving bad reviews ensuring that this never takes off.
 
What you need to do is remove all public access to see the app on these stores and limit the downloading to people who are testing it and not launch the app until all the features are in and working. Then before you launch it, you need to come up with a more realistic price point because that alone is going to destroy you. There is no way in hell I'd pay $100 a year for something like this regardless of the ability to put the clips right into my DAW. Cloud storage is cheap these days and gimping your own apps ability in order to turn a profit as high as you're asking for is going to hurt you and ensure that your app goes nowhere while at the same time, damaging the reputation of both the app and of Cakewalk.

We've done enough work with customers throughout this entire process to know that we are delivering value that people want... today.
 
It may not be interesting to you, and that's OK.
 
Of course we will continue to grow the product and reach more people.

Starise
Is this similar to Sonar in that if a subscription lapses we can still use the app with no updates? I'm guessing since this is cloud based the answer is No.

If your subscription lapses, you'll no longer be able to sync with the cloud.
 
That said, you'll still be able to pull out all the music and audio that's in there. So, in this regard, you won't lose any of your own content.

Gotcha. So I can pay on a month to month basis, use it for how ever long I want. If I stop paying, my syncing options go away.
In theory I could buy for say two months as an example, transfer hundreds of tracks during that time. Let the sub lapse and I would still have my audio in the cloud only with no syncing.

Starise
Gotcha. So I can pay on a month to month basis, use it for how ever long I want. If I stop paying, my syncing options go away.
In theory I could buy for say two months as an example, transfer hundreds of tracks during that time. Let the sub lapse and I would still have my audio in the cloud only with no syncing.

Right. And just to clarify, no syncing would mean you wouldn't be able to access that audio in the cloud at all.
 
Momentum in this case would actually revert back to the Free plan, which caps the number of ideas at 3. 

Alex Westner [Cakewalk]

Mesh
Thanks Alex for the details.....it's just that subscription model that's putting me off. If there was a way we could purchase it outright, that would definitely change the outlook..... 

Interesting, I'd love to chat with you guys more about this.
 
During some customer interviews we did get objections about subscription models in general. With one guy, in particular, he said he just hated them.
 
So I said, "Would you pay $0/month for Momentum?"
 
He said, "Well, that's free, of course I would."
 
I followed up with, "So then what's the lowest dollar amount you'd pay above $0?"
 
He said, "Something like $3/month would be reasonable, I guess, but I don't think you guys would go for that."
 
I said, "No, that's great feedback, and it's in the ballpark of what we've been thinking". 
 
Then he said, "Well, what happens when I stop paying my subscription? Do I lose all my audio?"
 
I said, "No, the point of Momentum is to get your audio out of the platform so you can keep working on it. You can always drag-drop or copy audio out of Momentum and onto your Desktop or in your DAW. So before you stop paying, you'd just grab everything you want/need."
 
He said, "Ok, that's cool then."

Interesting story.... what's also interesting is he "hated" the subscription model, but still subscribed.....(must've been the money thing). 

I can't speak for others in here, but I personally just don't like being tied down/committed to a monthly subscription plan (even at $3). I understand there are costs in maintaining/supporting it and the subscription model will facilitate that well, but I'd rather pay a "little" extra (when initially buying) for that support and own it outright.
 
I suppose it's probably just having a peace of mind....(just the way I feel about owning Sonar Platinum and all the other software I bought).