Simplest (but good) soundcard for Sonar?

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February 07, 05 4:27 AM (permalink)

Simplest (but good) soundcard for Sonar?

I've gotten rid of all my external synths and moved totally to software and I now need the most basic soundcard with good latency and sound. I've looked at E-mu 0404 (or Proteus X/Emulator X), how're those with Sonar? Are there any good alternatives?

All I/O's I need are basically 1/4 analog outs for my monitors. Edit: RCA could be an alternative.

I'm not going to spend very much money for this, as I may be moving to a laptop next summer/autumn.

Thanks!
post edited by Raymond Wave - February 07, 05 5:57 AM
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    bubblefish
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    RE: Simplest (but good) soundcard for Sonar? February 07, 05 8:02 AM (permalink)
    All I/O's I need are basically 1/4 analog outs for my monitors. Edit: RCA could be an alternative.


    how many outs in total?

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    Raymond Wave
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    RE: Simplest (but good) soundcard for Sonar? February 07, 05 9:00 AM (permalink)
    Left/right for my monitors. No need for any aux sends or so. I could use a few inputs just in case I need to record something someday.

    I looked at Audiophile 192 and 2496 also, as those are Cakewalk recommended. 192 looks better with 1/4 connections (i'm a little cautious with RCA), but is quite a lot more expensive also.

    Oh, midi would be good also and these all seem to have it.
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    RE: Simplest (but good) soundcard for Sonar? February 07, 05 9:35 AM (permalink)
    Behringer BCA2000.

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    Raymond Wave
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    RE: Simplest (but good) soundcard for Sonar? February 07, 05 10:03 AM (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: manwslohand
    Behringer BCA2000.


    This looks like one weird thing. Do I understand correctly, that this is a external USB soundcard, midi-interface, mic pre amp and a simple mixer combined for a bit over 200 euros? It looks quite good, as I also do need mic pre amp and a basic mixer working as a "volume knob".

    Thanks

    Edit: This thing is huge in size btw, 30 cm x 30 cm on table. Not a good thing.
    post edited by Raymond Wave - February 07, 05 10:16 AM
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    manwslohand
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    RE: Simplest (but good) soundcard for Sonar? February 07, 05 10:06 AM (permalink)
    You forgot the ADAT lightpipe and SPDIF options.......oh yea, and you can do 3 channels of audio thru the built-in converters. It's a great little box. The limiter is weak but I LOVE the 100mm sliders on it. Really gives it a real console feel to it. So far, the drivers are working flawlessly. I haven't had to think about config issues for a minute.

    It put the joy back into DAW recording for me.
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    RE: Simplest (but good) soundcard for Sonar? February 07, 05 10:11 AM (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: manwslohand

    You forgot the ADAT lightpipe and SPDIF options.......oh yea, and you can do 3 channels of audio thru the built-in converters. It's a great little box. The limiter is weak but I LOVE the 100mm sliders on it. Really gives it a real console feel to it. So far, the drivers are working flawlessly. I haven't had to think about config issues for a minute.

    It put the joy back into DAW recording for me.


    It does look appealing, but I think it may be a bit of an overkill for me. I don't need all the I/O and the size is a definate turnoff in my case. One of the reason for moving into software was getting rid of all the junk on my appartment :). I can have bigger installations on my studio, but this card is gonna be for home use.
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    RE: Simplest (but good) soundcard for Sonar? February 07, 05 10:43 AM (permalink)
    it seems the general opinion on the emu's (i've been
    watching & considering it) is that they are great sounding
    cards, especially the preamps and converters but driver
    behaviour and performance is spotty. for some it's flawless
    and for others it's simply doesn't work.


    take a look at the m-audio 1010lt...lots of i/o, solid
    performance, solid drivers...works great with sonar.
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    RE: Simplest (but good) soundcard for Sonar? February 07, 05 10:49 AM (permalink)
    I don't need all the I/O and the size is a definate turnoff in my case.
    It's a bit bigger than a straight converter box but it's still not big by any stretch. Trust me, the feel you get from real sliders is worth it in my book.
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    RE: Simplest (but good) soundcard for Sonar? February 07, 05 12:35 AM (permalink)
    Echo MiaMIDI..... 2 Ins, 2 Outs and MIDI.

    S/PDIF also.
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    RE: Simplest (but good) soundcard for Sonar? February 07, 05 1:03 PM (permalink)
    I would recommend that you look into an outboard firewire audio interface. As basic as you can find. It seems to me that you might as well get something that you can use when you get the laptop. Just a thought...

    Having said that, Chaz pointed out the echoaudio MiaMidi. It's excellent and easy to use. I have had one for almost 2 years and it's never given me any trouble and it sounds great!
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    RE: Simplest (but good) soundcard for Sonar? February 07, 05 3:48 PM (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: patrickhamm

    I would recommend that you look into an outboard firewire audio interface. As basic as you can find. It seems to me that you might as well get something that you can use when you get the laptop. Just a thought...

    Having said that, Chaz pointed out the echoaudio MiaMidi. It's excellent and easy to use. I have had one for almost 2 years and it's never given me any trouble and it sounds great!


    MiaMidi looks good spec-wise, actually quite the same as Emu 0404, but is 50 euros more expensive. At the moment it seems to be either

    E-mu 0404 ~95 e
    Echo MiaMidi ~150 e
    M-audio Audiophile 192/2496 ~175/88 e

    E-mu actually seems to have most features for almost least the money.

    The Firewire point was a good one, quick look turned out M-Audio Firewire Solo or Audiophile. Prices are around 230-270 e. Bit more expensive, but definately a good point there. Have to do some reading on those.
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    RE: Simplest (but good) soundcard for Sonar? February 07, 05 6:19 PM (permalink)
    I just got a Firewire Solo for my laptop. It works really well, and it's quite convenient. The mic pre built-in sounds decent, very clean, not much oomph to it. I've used it to record things like voiceovers for radio commercials. Though when I'm tracking real music, I use one of my outboard mic pres.

    Also, when I set the latency very low, I will sometimes get some pops and clicks in playback; I can live with them as a) I need low latency, and b) they are only on playback, the pops and clicks aren't recorded.

    Overall, this unit was the best bang for the buck I could find, has all the features I need for mobile use, and works as advertised.
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    RE: Simplest (but good) soundcard for Sonar? February 07, 05 7:13 PM (permalink)
    Raymond,

    FWIW.... Echo drivers are some of the most stablest drivers I have ever come across.
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    RE: Simplest (but good) soundcard for Sonar? February 10, 05 6:46 AM (permalink)
    Thanks all, very helpful. Still haven't quite decided tho :), but I think I now have the alternatives figured out.
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    RE: Simplest (but good) soundcard for Sonar? February 10, 05 10:45 AM (permalink)
    Just an addendum to my previous post: since I started using an external firewire harddrive, the pops and clicks I was hearing went away. I'm quite happy with the Firewire Solo, lots of bang for the buck.
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    RE: Simplest (but good) soundcard for Sonar? February 10, 05 8:11 PM (permalink)
    My vote for the Audiophile 24/96 from M-audio. Two ins, two outs, midi in/out, and SPDIF if you have a digital 2 channel source. sounds very good to my ears.

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    RE: Simplest (but good) soundcard for Sonar? February 13, 05 9:05 AM (permalink)
    The M-Audio 2496 has worked great for me. I only record one instrument at a time and the inputs are more than enough for that. The sound is good. Good support from their website. Not too expensive.

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    RE: Simplest (but good) soundcard for Sonar? February 15, 05 9:10 AM (permalink)
    M Audio Delta series ROCKS
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