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Re: One thing I've learned so far in this mess
2017/12/13 09:36:35
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Very well written, I do totally agree Rod !
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Re: One thing I've learned so far in this mess
2017/12/13 11:37:36
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Could have said AND can !!! At the moment I'm looking at Studio one Pro cross-grade, having looked at Cubase Elements 9.5 again as a cross-grade … Nothing comes close to Sonar Platinum for ease of use and functionality. I have used Cakewalk for many years as it allows me as a songwriter to run free without the need to think about why this or that isn't doing what it should, sure I've invested time and money in Platinum and all of it, I feel, worth while. The nearest to this software seems to be Studio one 3 Professional but it feels (at the moment anyhow) like a cheap knock off of what Platinum has become. I agree this whole think of dumping a really good well written bit of software is not the way Gibson should have gone regardless of Cakewalk's customer base and it doesn't make sence. I hope they are in more trouble that they let on, because as you say this sucks … really sucks! AND I don't apologise for MY rant
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Re: One thing I've learned so far in this mess
2017/12/13 14:00:23
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Anderton The reason why I'm using S1 as SONAR's successor is because it is fast once you learn the shortcuts and such, . . . . . .
One of the first things I did with S1 was to download a Pdf - file with keyboard commands. Very helpful. And what I really appreciate: from the very first contact I was guided to a bunch of learning stuff. Tutorials, Videos, Demos . . . great to get a foothold. That's perfect marketing ;) Not to mention some independent websites with tons of helpful material. Cheers :)
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Re: One thing I've learned so far in this mess
2017/12/13 14:46:58
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How is Studio One with control surfaces like the Mackie MCU?
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Re: One thing I've learned so far in this mess
2017/12/13 14:54:14
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Re: One thing I've learned so far in this mess
2017/12/13 16:16:32
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In the last 2 weeks, I've updated my Studio One 2 Artist, installed Reaper (with a "sonar x1" theme) and bought Samplitude Music Studio 2017 and Mixcraft 8 Home Studio (at Steam, promotional prices). First impression is the same as the thread's author. Nothing compares with Sonar's workflow. Reaper - mainly because the skin/theme - was the best to use. I've made a song, but to be honest, I'm still not comfortable using it. The other 3, were even more difficult. My decision is to keep using Sonar, until it dies or can't handle some important technology. But I'm not going to "freeze" my machine, hardware or software. I don't want to be "out of the world", in terms of musical stuff... Sadly, I don't believe in any form of Sonar "resurrection". The team is dismounted. The people that understand each part of the code will soon begin to forget it. I work with computer programming. Old code is the worst thing a programmer want to deal with! So, I'll keep using Sonar, but will try other DAWs as much as I can, even if my stomach aches, to find something that resembles the great DAW I've been using for so many years and now is gone...
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Re: One thing I've learned so far in this mess
2017/12/13 16:56:11
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jjj.fcc In the last 2 weeks, I've updated my Studio One 2 Artist, installed Reaper (with a "sonar x1" theme) and bought Samplitude Music Studio 2017 and Mixcraft 8 Home Studio (at Steam, promotional prices). First impression is the same as the thread's author. Nothing compares with Sonar's workflow. Reaper - mainly because the skin/theme - was the best to use. I've made a song, but to be honest, I'm still not comfortable using it. The other 3, were even more difficult. My decision is to keep using Sonar, until it dies or can't handle some important technology. But I'm not going to "freeze" my machine, hardware or software. I don't want to be "out of the world", in terms of musical stuff... Sadly, I don't believe in any form of Sonar "resurrection". The team is dismounted. The people that understand each part of the code will soon begin to forget it. I work with computer programming. Old code is the worst thing a programmer want to deal with! So, I'll keep using Sonar, but will try other DAWs as much as I can, even if my stomach aches, to find something that resembles the great DAW I've been using for so many years and now is gone...
I'd say keep at it with Studio One. I used the free version previously and found it excellent. There are a huge number of shortcuts and I've actually found it to be less CPU intensive than SONAR is and a bit more stable generally (I get semi-regular audio engine dropouts in SONAR which I've not experienced in Studio One or Reaper). In addition to this, there are loads of shortcuts that make for quick access to various features - you just need to learn them. The reason I moved to SONAR was purely due to the ability to get a DAW where I can use 3rd party plugins, with the convenience of monthly payments. Once I got used to SONAR (which funnily enough, I hated to start with due to how busy the interface is compared to Studio One), I was fine with it. Familiarity breeds contentment when it comes to DAW usage. I'm trying to figure out whether I have enough spare cash to take up the Studio One Crossgrade offer before it expires at the end of the month, as at around £110 in UK currency it's an amazing deal. I already have the Voucher code from Presonus just in case.
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Re: One thing I've learned so far in this mess
2017/12/13 17:09:10
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kevmsmith81
jjj.fcc So, I'll keep using Sonar, but will try other DAWs as much as I can, even if my stomach aches, to find something that resembles the great DAW I've been using for so many years and now is gone...
Familiarity breeds contentment when it comes to DAW usage.
Is that another way of saying that we are institutionalised?
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Re: One thing I've learned so far in this mess
2017/12/13 19:14:19
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kevmsmith81 I'd say keep at it with Studio One. [...] Familiarity breeds contentment when it comes to DAW usage.
The lack of VST support on Artist edition kills that option. This seems so bizarre for me... Other DAWs (even the entry-level ones) have VST support... My Sonar is Professional, not Platinum...I don't need the buzzers and bells of the "top" editions. But I DO need VST... Obviously, the "best" DAW is the one we are used to, as long as it has all the minimum stuff we need (for instance: VST support...).
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Re: One thing I've learned so far in this mess
2017/12/13 19:38:15
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kevmsmith81 I'd say keep at it with Studio One. [...] Familiarity breeds contentment when it comes to DAW usage.
The lack of VST support on Artist edition kills that option. This seems so bizarre for me... Other DAWs (even the entry-level ones) have VST support... My Sonar is Professional, not Platinum...I don't need the buzzers and bells of the "top" editions. But I DO need VST... Obviously, the "best" DAW is the one we are used to, as long as it has all the minimum stuff we need (for instance: VST support...).
You can get VST support on Artist, but you have to pay for it as it's an addon.
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Re: One thing I've learned so far in this mess
2017/12/22 07:09:01
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☄ Helpfulby synkrotron 2017/12/22 08:10:07
Otari doesn't make parts for my 30ips 24 track machine, and even though it works fine, I am afraid in the future it might not work, so I'm trundling it out to the street with the trash. Probably throw my Neve board away too since I might not be able to get replacement slider knobs someday. I bought a new truck this year, but now I am worried it might not last forever, so will be driving it into the lake down the street in the morning.
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Re: One thing I've learned so far in this mess
2017/12/29 15:26:42
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What's frustrating, as I look for a new DAW to adopt, is that every "Best DAW" list I find, Sonar is on the list!
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Re: One thing I've learned so far in this mess
2017/12/29 15:54:26
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One of the things I had to ask the S1 community, and hopefully there's a good answer: Can multiple Layer events/clips be played simultaneously after comping, like you can do with Sonar's Lanes? So far, I don't see a way other than moving clips/events to new tracks, but I gotta ask. The key, 'K' was my friend. Also, note, once you move a clip into a Layer in S1, you can no longer move it. I really don't get that. What's the point of freezing it like that? I also noticed, S1 does a much better job at recording multiple takes of many tracks simultaneously, creating new Layers on each take. Sonar always struggled here, requiring new Projects for each take in many cases.
S1 also has Cue Mixes, assignable to multiple outputs! That's pretty awesome, if the latency is low enough. Obviously, if you use their hardware interfaces, you get the real benefit. And someone PLEASE convince Presonus to let us customize color schemes! hehe. I could totally go for making a Blue Aston S1 color scheme.
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Re: One thing I've learned so far in this mess
2017/12/29 16:13:35
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Interesting thread. Just to add a note about Gibson being heartless SOB's who won't sell SONAR, it appears that CW has been losing money the last six years. I don't know for certain, but my guess is Gibson tried to sell SONAR, but there were no takers.
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Re: One thing I've learned so far in this mess
2017/12/29 19:35:47
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I don't expect Gibson was being heartless, just unwitting. I feel CW was already hurting, and although Gibson maybe scored a great deal on CW, if a company like Roland sells CW there should be a really good reason. Gibson unwittingly took the bait, and they're paying for it dearly. What did Gibson expect to gain from all this that Roland couldn't?
NOTE: Please don't let my Gibson-bashing come off as subversive or abusive to Gibson. I've got no real issues with them, personally, but I just feel they're a bit naive and I sort of feel sorry for them.
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Re: One thing I've learned so far in this mess
2017/12/29 22:15:33
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I want to add my experience with Studio One as well. AWESOME! I tried S1 while I still was using Sonar and my reaction was "this is crap!" Really, I never even cracked it open. When you already have a workflow anything else seems clumsy. Put it this way, if Sonar did come back I'm gone already. S1 has everything I need once I found out how things worked it was a breeze. Maybe it's not for everyone but if I can do it you guys would kill it!!! Also, I wouldn't advise trying two or three different workstations at the same time. You'll end up hating them all equally. A testimony, Studio One was offering a cross-grade from Cakewalk. I sent them the screenshot but a few days later I had no reply so I said the hell with it. Paid $399 so I could get on with it. A day later here comes the email "You qualify for the discount". Not expecting much I emailed support and told them I had already purchased S1 and its probably nothing they could do. One day later a got an email. Dear Mr. Oliver a refund in the amount of $250 will be credited back to your account. Please allow 5-7 business days. What! The very next day it was posted in my acct. I'm sorry, but the stability and customer service like that was very much welcomed. S1 seems like I always had it now. It is simply solid. My only hope is they stay on track and not listen to us cry too much about changing what is now a dream come true. Everything works for me. No workarounds. I have my parallel compression and side-chaining is super easy and intuitive. Maybe in a month things will be different. I love Sonar too, but after witnessing Studio One I'm sold. Besides this is their forte. Some of the console views are very inspiring. Thanks Cakewalk for many years of service! And thank all of you for helping me through my issues.
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Re: One thing I've learned so far in this mess
2017/12/29 22:38:47
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Interesting thread, I've been watching this forum since the demise of Sonar, doing research...preparing for the inevitable. Although Jeff and a few others say a GUI is a matter of taste, Sonar's console view was always the best in the business...And I've used Cubase, Logic and Pro Fools. Logic was reasonable, and functioned like a console but it was very toyish. Cubase's console screen - wasn't even a full screen, and is very limited. Pro Fools just felt like the dog puking his breakfast up ;). Sonar's console screen will be the one thing, that is impossible to replace. As for a replacement DAW, there is only Reaper that has Sonars' other two most important features - 64bitFp from recording to rendering, and upsampling -although I've got to test this last feature because it's very convoluted the process. The mix screen is a dog's breakfast, but them's the breaks.
And for those who consider spending 1500 bucks on something like Nuendo or Magixs' top DAW offering, and indeed consider Reaper a toy...It's the tool operating the tools so to speak, and because of the maturity of DAWs across audio land...the gaps between DAWs is non existent. What is really odd to me, is some so-called high end software don t have two of the most important functions - 64bitFp recording and rendering, and upsampling. These should be the two features that are non negotiable for all looking at purchasing a new DAW.
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Jeff Evans
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Re: One thing I've learned so far in this mess
2017/12/29 23:15:54
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It is best to install the 64 bit version of Studio One anyway. There is a double precision setting which I have engaged all the time. Many plugins themselves offer upsampling within the plugin itself. But as you say for those that do not, then the upsampling mode is very good. I do know from experience that Native Instruments Prism sounds quite different at 96K compared to 44.1K. (for some patches not all)
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Re: One thing I've learned so far in this mess
2017/12/30 02:21:05
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jeff oliver Not expecting much I emailed support and told them I had already purchased S1 and its probably nothing they could do. One day later a got an email. Dear Mr. Oliver a refund in the amount of $250 will be credited back to your account. Please allow 5-7 business days. What! The very next day it was posted in my acct. I'm sorry, but the stability and customer service like that was very much welcomed.
That is very cool Jeff. I sent the screenshot but made the mistake of inadvertently sending it using a different email to the one I'd already registered with at PreSonus. I raised a ticket telling them what I'd done and they sent me all the details I needed to crossgrade straight to my 'correct' account within a few hours. Now that sort of service is what gets people to part with their dosh.
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