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2005/10/06 05:56:01 (permalink)

Trying to remove pops and clicks.

HI guys i need to ask i recoreded gutiars they came out great but there is a small pop in the middle anyway to fix it with out replaying it just is a great recoreding?
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RE: Trying to remove pops and clicks. 2005/10/06 06:38:35 (permalink)
You have a number of options for noise reduction software.

I'd recommend investing in Adobe Audition as a Wave Editor which integrates well with Sonar. It has a good selection of noise removal tools, including a spectral editing view.

You can use this view to visually identify the unwanted sound and very often just snip it out.

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RE: Trying to remove pops and clicks. 2005/10/06 10:59:51 (permalink)
Another wav editor that will let you draw out clicks and pops with a pencil tool is Sony Sound Forge.
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RE: Trying to remove pops and clicks. 2005/10/06 11:08:01 (permalink)
I have actually fixed these things in Sonar. Frank Coffey's sugestion is the best route. (Use an editor that allows you to redraw the wav form with a pencil tool).

But in a pinch I have done the following procedure:

1) grab a single sample that is above zero just in case.
2) grab a single sample that is below zero just in case.
3) Zoom in on the pop and determine how many samples are involved.
4) Select single samples and increase or decrease by 3 db as required to reshape the pop.
5) When necessarry replace a positve sample with a negative sample or vice versa and increase or decrease by 3 db until you have successfully redrawn your entire pop.

I have completely repaired a single pop a couple of times this way so that the results were indetectable.



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RE: Trying to remove pops and clicks. 2005/10/06 12:27:37 (permalink)
He, he NYSR, thats down right inovative.
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RE: Trying to remove pops and clicks. 2005/10/06 12:32:01 (permalink)
Thx for the help just man about 3 pops in the gutair riff but it was played so well dont want to loss the take
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RE: Trying to remove pops and clicks. 2005/10/06 13:33:40 (permalink)
HI guys i need to ask i recoreded gutiars they came out great but there is a small pop in the middle anyway to fix it with out replaying it just is a great recoreding?

I've often fixed problems like this by splitting the clip and then copying in a tiny clip of the same note from somewhere that didn't pop. With the right overlap and crossfades, this is undetectable. It might take a while to get it right the first time, but you'll be a whizz in no time.

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RE: Trying to remove pops and clicks. 2005/10/06 13:46:37 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: voyuers

Thx for the help just man about 3 pops in the gutair riff but it was played so well dont want to loss the take


The above suggestions are the next best thing and will work, but if you get serious about perfection you really should get a real wav editor some day and try it. The pencil tool in Sound Forge was just science fiction the first time I used it the thing blew my mind. Talk about playing God with audio there is nothing like the rush of fixing something you thought was impossible. I did a B side to a 45 once that was not available on any other media and went through inch by inch and drew out all the clicks and pops. It tooks weeks to finish it but the results were amazing. Every time I tried a plugin it messed up the tone but fixing each one by hand (and ear) I was able to completely restore the recording.

I don't know about other wav editors but Sound Forge will integrate with Sonar is a very nice way. It appears on the Tools menu in Sonar. When you click to select a clip you want to edit you can also make a selection within that clip while it's still in Sonar to make where the edit needs to be made. When you pull down the Tools menu and select Sound Forge it not only opens the clip in Sound Forge but it also transfers the selection within the clip you made in Sonar to Sound Forge so you are zoomed in and selected right where you need to be. I love it. That was very unexpected, it's rare with software works BETTER then you expect.
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RE: Trying to remove pops and clicks. 2005/10/06 13:48:41 (permalink)
I have to agree! Very inovative! Also what dcastle suggests works as I've done that before I had Sound Forge! Wildman
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RE: Trying to remove pops and clicks. 2005/10/06 14:12:51 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: T.S.

He, he NYSR, thats down right inovative.


Hey Verne, just tryin' to protect your mind from fallin' prey to a negative worldview.



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RE: Trying to remove pops and clicks. 2005/10/06 17:34:31 (permalink)
OhHey,

I've seen that most everybody uses SoundForge and drawing out clicks sounds indeed like voodoo.
However I have used soundforge 6 and looked also at it's manual and it seems like one cannot load an
effect plug-in and have is process in real time, but you can audition and apply the effect to the wav or part of
the wav.

If this is so, it seems a bit pre-historic and I could not use it for mastering only tools menu editing.
Can you confirm or deny this limitation?

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RE: Trying to remove pops and clicks. 2005/10/06 17:39:54 (permalink)
it seems like one cannot load an effect plug-in and have is process in real time

Ah, but that's not how you would use it. You would bring the offending clip into Sound Forge all by its lonesome and then clip that offending pop right out of the wave and put it back in SONAR for the song. SONAR and Sound Forge work very well together. I've done this and it is nothing short of a miracle.

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RE: Trying to remove pops and clicks. 2005/10/06 17:49:30 (permalink)
I've seen that most everybody uses SoundForge and drawing out clicks sounds indeed like voodoo.


Just a comment here to add a little light and more clarification ... although the method is different, you can (and I do!) draw out clicks, pops, grunts, farts and many other things in Adobe Audition, using its spectral editor. I'm still surprised how many Audition users even do not realise this. The best way I can describe it without being able to demonstarte is that it works more like editing a picture in, say, Phostoshop, or Paint Shop Pro. You identify the sound by matching it to its colour basically and then literally snipping it out. Until you've tried it, you can't realise how powerful it is.

I'm not knocking SF, but I believe that Sonar 5 (if mine ever gets here!) also has a pencil tool, which I am told is substantially similar to that in Sound Forge.

And, oh yes, David's suggestion about copying and pasting an identical note into the track is also an excellent one - when it works, it's completely undetectable.

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RE: Trying to remove pops and clicks. 2005/10/06 17:51:58 (permalink)
Sorry, I was speaking of using SF standalone as a mastering platform.
If it would work with effects in real time then I would switch and also take
advantage of OhHey's process.

post edited by bitman - 2005/10/06 18:02:22
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RE: Trying to remove pops and clicks. 2005/10/07 01:46:05 (permalink)
THx for the help this might sound stupid but i have wavelab when i zoom in to find the clikcs and pops how do i know how they look like, and kill them.
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RE: Trying to remove pops and clicks. 2005/10/07 01:56:15 (permalink)
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THx for the help this might sound stupid but i have wavelab when i zoom in to find the clikcs and pops how do i know how they look like, and kill them.


When you have found a pop or click and can zoom in at the sample level you can see the difference. It is usually more radically busy for a crack and larger in velocity for pops. Pops tend to involve more samples than clicks.



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RE: Trying to remove pops and clicks. 2005/10/07 02:14:43 (permalink)
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OhHey,

I've seen that most everybody uses SoundForge and drawing out clicks sounds indeed like voodoo.
However I have used soundforge 6 and looked also at it's manual and it seems like one cannot load an
effect plug-in and have is process in real time, but you can audition and apply the effect to the wav or part of
the wav.

If this is so, it seems a bit pre-historic and I could not use it for mastering only tools menu editing.
Can you confirm or deny this limitation?



Yes, that is exactly how Sound Forge works. It doesn't have an "effects bin" where you can stack effects that are always on like a DAW, it's just an editor. In fact not all plugins have real time preview but all the ones I use do. Sound Forge is for operations that you want to do directly to the file, not on meta data like in Sonar. It's destructive editing not non-destructive (layout) editing like Sonar. A good example would be autotune where you need to work by selection and process a word or phrase and maybe use different settting on the next one you select. With an effects bin it just does the entire clip with the same settings and doesn't skip the parts you don't want it to touch. A wav editor is a different tool for a different job then a DAW.

What I call mastering almost never uses effects, that should have been done in the mix in Sonar even the master bus compressor. If I get to mastering and find out I need to process it with a bunch of plugins I just redo the mix till I get it right. It's not like the old days where a mix was a non-repeatable work of art, with a DAW like Sonar you can remix a hundred times if you need to and the export only takes a few mins.

Of the wav editors out there I think Wavlab can stack effects plugins like an effects bin and apply them all at once or render (export) just like a DAW. However, that's not what I need my wav editor to do, after all if I did need to do that I could use Sonar.

There are also some other processing effects in Sound Forge that are not plugins and are unique to Sound Forge and that's another reason why I have to have it. It's my fix it, convert it, re-sample it, dither it, save as any file format you can think of tool.

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RE: Trying to remove pops and clicks. 2005/10/07 11:23:41 (permalink)
And thank you again Frank!

Have a wonderfull Friday and weekend.

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RE: Trying to remove pops and clicks. 2005/10/07 12:02:08 (permalink)
I'll be in the studio ...
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Re: RE: Trying to remove pops and clicks. 2016/09/04 23:37:47 (permalink)
I must be the village idiot but all Sonar Pro will let me copy are "Events" which don't paste in Audition 3. Exactly how does one select and copy that selection to then paste in audition.
 
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Re: RE: Trying to remove pops and clicks. 2016/09/04 23:55:49 (permalink)
I'm not seeing what you're referring to, but this thread is over 10 years old, so all bets are off. ;)
 
I don't know about copying from Sonar and pasting into Audition, but you should be able to bounce a clip in Sonar, then import it into Audition.
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Re: RE: Trying to remove pops and clicks. 2016/09/05 13:12:43 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby telecharge 2016/09/05 15:45:35
You can add any wave editor to the tools menu in Sonar. You then simply highlight the track and go to the tools menu and select the wave editor. The track will open in the editor. You make your changes,, save the file in the editor and when you return focus to Sonar it will ask you if you wish to save the changes made to the track. 
 
There is now a utility that will add the wave editor to the tools. 
http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/kb/reader.aspx/2007013099
 
 
The other option is simply open your wave editor, browse to the cakewalk audio folder containing the track and open  edit and save. Always make a backup copy before proceeding. 
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Tools-Edit-Utility-m2671771.aspx
 
If you have older versions of Sonar I think you follow these instuctions
https://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013099/Adding-third-party-audio-editing-software-to-SONARs-Utilities-menu
 
 

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Re: RE: Trying to remove pops and clicks. 2016/09/05 13:27:49 (permalink)
If you have a polyphonic version of Melodyne, try creating a region effect and locating / deleting the offending 'pop' or 'click'. Hopefully, it will be displayed as an individual 'blob'.
 
I can't guarantee that it will work in every situation, but I've removed several unwanted noises this way :-)

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Re: RE: Trying to remove pops and clicks. 2016/09/05 15:04:28 (permalink)
For me, the best software for this task is iZotope RX5!!

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Re: RE: Trying to remove pops and clicks. 2016/09/05 15:24:58 (permalink)
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You can add any wave editor to the tools menu in Sonar. You then simply highlight the track and go to the tools menu and select the wave editor. The track will open in the editor. You make your changes,, save the file in the editor and when you return focus to Sonar it will ask you if you wish to save the changes made to the track. 
 
There is now a utility that will add the wave editor to the tools. 
http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/kb/reader.aspx/2007013099


Good stuff. More info here:
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Question-about-editing-in-an-external-wave-editor-m3384952.aspx
 
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