Am I Wrong To Be Disappointed With Dim Pro?

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RE: Am I Wrong To Be Disappointed With Dim Pro? 2006/05/21 15:04:15 (permalink)
Guitars_yes percussion_yes. Vocals_ it has some (2) but lacks a nice selection. But I do have third party stuff that fills my needs and the ability to port these sounds to Dpro. But guitars, percussion, almost everything else is good to go. The list can be viewed at the Dpro site? It is very large, with vocals being the only weak spot on the list. Since choirs are to taste somewhat I'm just fine by this. I did get a few thrid party sets before Dpro came along anyway.
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RE: Am I Wrong To Be Disappointed With Dim Pro? 2006/05/21 16:27:10 (permalink)
Gotcha. Thanks for the info! One quick question: How many options does it have for classical nylon string guitar patches? My roommate in music school was a classical guitarist. I can't live without a resonably good classical guitar patch now.
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RE: Am I Wrong To Be Disappointed With Dim Pro? 2006/05/21 19:17:12 (permalink)
Martin Nylon(bright)25mb
Martin Nylon(natural)25mb
Martin Nylon(slide)46mb
The specific model sampled escapes me now. But it is very impressive. Guitars covers just about everything. from acoustic, 12 string, e175, power cords, hammer ons to distortion, Les Paul. The vocals prog's cover 9 different sets not 3. Male/female ahh on seperate progs with scat type riffs to roundout out on 7 different progs.
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RE: Am I Wrong To Be Disappointed With Dim Pro? 2006/05/21 21:29:56 (permalink)
...but no $5000-20,000 Australian classicals (Sheridan, Smallman, etc.). I didn't REALLY expect those. If anybody finds a sampler with Sheridan and/or Smallman samples, LET ME KNOW!

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RE: Am I Wrong To Be Disappointed With Dim Pro? 2006/05/21 22:21:08 (permalink)
I've made myself quite a few sets. When I first got started It was with this intent. I simply could not find articulations I wanted so I set out to teach myself how to build sample sets using the soundfont format. And well I just kept going. If you can locate someone with that particular guitar and your willing to collaborate I can make sfz sets for your Dimension. with velocity regions the whole nine yards. All I need is good captures of the scale on any guitar and we are set.

I forgot to mention that the captures for Dimension were in a world class studio with a grand assortment of some of the finest equipment/mics to be had. And this translates well into some fine sets for your sequencing pleasure.
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RE: Am I Wrong To Be Disappointed With Dim Pro? 2006/05/22 02:01:58 (permalink)
Well.....my former roommate is a classical guitar performance graduate of the Eastman School of Music. He studied with Nicholas Goluses at Eastman and is now at Yale working with Ben Verdery -- a personal friend of John Williams (guitarist). He owns a nicely aged Sheridan, and I have x2 SM81 microphones. Does that sound like a winning combination?

My preamps leave some things to be desired, and I only have a Delta 44 for input to Sonar....but it might be worthwhile anyway.


Oh...and I have yet to buy DimPro.
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RE: Am I Wrong To Be Disappointed With Dim Pro? 2006/05/22 21:08:14 (permalink)
Sounds like you have the inside edge. I'd be reading up on everything it would take to build my own personal soundset. Why? Well when it comes to sample sets, well thought out articualtions are the berries. They jam. This is the difference between good and great when it comes to sequencing. And while I'd go berries to snag you buddies sound. BTW, IMHO Dpro and the SFZ format are the cream when it comes to building up a custom set. Ya do a 24 bit cap- with as pristine a variation/selection as you can get. And you now have what no one else has. Variation means really big sets ;)+). But that's what it takes. You won't put that one together in an afternoon. But if it's worth doing, it's worth doing right.
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RE: Am I Wrong To Be Disappointed With Dim Pro? 2006/05/22 22:42:46 (permalink)
I've considered learning to create my own sample sets.

1) It seems like all the big boys do
2) I've got some GREAT connections [my prof. at Eastman plays a Strad, among other things & I know several folks with Gaglianos]
3) I'm never completely happy with what's in any given sample collection
4) I'm a classical musician, so the sound can ALWAYS be better
5) I think I already have most of what it takes (software and hardware) to make decent samples
6) I'm interested in sound design as well -- the two skills seem closely related

Do you have any suggested reading (books, web pages, etc.) on sample creation and sample-set building? Long-term, I'd like to get into the GigaSampler world, as that seems to be one of the mainstream systems. (I know of Kontakt also, but Giga seems to have less bugs and more scaleability -- i.e. for really BIG arrangements.)
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RE: Am I Wrong To Be Disappointed With Dim Pro? 2006/05/22 23:42:55 (permalink)
Well the guy with a strad has to sit for ya first? Talking your way into that is quite a sell. Ya know I looked for a time for a step by step. I just didn't run across one. But-lets say your serious here. One way to sonic nirvana is to snag an editor along with a fine set you can admire. Then pull up the samples and take a look. See what your going to be up against. That in it self is an education. The details are there, Ya just gotta be smarter than a wave file. What you see is what you want. And getting that is not as easy as it looks but once you at least have an inkling what you need you can start small and work your way up ;)+) The map is within that set. You won't see all thing's right away. But as you work up to it you will begin to understand why for everything. Giga is biga. And well you can handle it right. Giga does have an editor? I do believe so with the big one. And it might very well be so for the smaller ones as well. Get those hands wet, throw one together, see what works and what does not. You will know if you sequence it. Takes a few tries, then it gets good. It's work/prep. Planning and execution.

I'm never completely happy with what's in any given sample collection


Well the small ones do leave ya wanting more ;p But with DAWS and samples it's not what you got it's how you use it.
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RE: Am I Wrong To Be Disappointed With Dim Pro? 2006/05/23 07:14:39 (permalink)
I've been listening to the Strad nearly every week for 5 years -- in lessons. It's too bad I can't hardwire a 96/24 recorder to my ears.

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RE: Am I Wrong To Be Disappointed With Dim Pro? 2006/05/24 23:16:24 (permalink)
On a scale of 0 to 5

0 - Oasys - Ridiculously thin, complete lack of dynamics.
1 - Sample Tank - The higher notes are ok. The rest is a bit better than Oasys, yet, still poor.
2 - Hypersonic - Triton without the clarity. Sounds like an over-eq'ed and otherwise rather poor sample set.
3 - Triton - Overall has a nice clarity, but still sounds artificial. Yet, from here on, we get sounds that work.
4 - The Grand - Pretty good, some problems with the midrange, but manages to combine clarity and depht.
5 - DimensionPro - Not perfect, but my favorite of the bunch, by far...

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RE: Am I Wrong To Be Disappointed With Dim Pro? 2006/06/06 11:59:16 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: kudzu

the final kicker that got me to purchase Dpro was one of Rene's(or maybe B-rocks?)compositions posted in the project5 forum a few months ago. It was mainly guitar and it ROCKED!


Hi Kudzu,
Can you provide either a link, or the name so we can check it out?

Thanks!
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RE: Am I Wrong To Be Disappointed With Dim Pro? 2006/06/14 20:11:57 (permalink)


Am I Wrong To Be Disappointed With Dim Pro?


Yes-you are wrong to be disappointed with Dimension Pro...Get happy and then come back and play with it again...It only sounds great when the user is happy :) ajw

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