Sage K
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Which version of UAD-1 for Sonar 5?
Hi, I'm currently running UAD-1 3.9 (1 card) with Sonar 4.0.2. It's working pretty good, but I do get the occasional err=21 problem when I install too many UAD plug-ins. I'm okay if I freeze a few tracks and keep other FX not too loaded up. I'm getting Sonar 5 because I want some of the new features. Anyone have experience on which version of UAD-1 works better with Sonar 5? Is my current configuration (UAD 3.9 and Sonar 4.0.2) better? Thanks for any tips!
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Sage K
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RE: Which version of UAD-1 for Sonar 5?
April 01, 06 9:42 AM
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Bump: Anyone have experience on which version of UAD-1 works better with Sonar 5?
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Alndln
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RE: Which version of UAD-1 for Sonar 5?
April 01, 06 9:57 AM
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ORIGINAL: Sage K I'm okay if I freeze a few tracks and keep other FX not too loaded up. I thought freeze didn't work properly with UAD/Sonar,something about it not releasing recources(don't remember the exact terminology) according to Cakewalk. That was the main reason I didn't buy one. Are you refering to freezing other native plugs in the same project?
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Sage K
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RE: Which version of UAD-1 for Sonar 5?
April 01, 06 10:12 AM
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When you frezze a track, whatever plug-ins are inserted in that track are affected. Freezing does seem to free up CPU load and resources. Freezing is kindof like mixing down the track, except you can undo it when you un-freeze, and you can still adjust the volume and a few other things.
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Alndln
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RE: Which version of UAD-1 for Sonar 5?
April 01, 06 10:26 AM
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ORIGINAL: Sage K Freezing is kindof like mixing down the track, except you can undo it when you un-freeze, and you can still adjust the volume and a few other things. I know what freeze is,I use it all the time natively. I'm just referring to what Cakewalk said about freezing not working properly with UAD plugs.
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RE: Which version of UAD-1 for Sonar 5?
April 01, 06 10:34 AM
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ORIGINAL: Sage K Bump: Anyone have experience on which version of UAD-1 works better with Sonar 5? Depends on your system specs: http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.asp?m=737561 UAD-1 v3.9 is the most stable on my current system: AMD Athlon 64 3700+ 1MB L2 Cache Clawhammer Core MSI K8N Neo Platinum 754 Socket nForce3 250GB Chipset 1024 400DDR OCZ EL Platinum Revision 2 Dual Channel I hope to have the infamous UAD-1/SONAR "err=21" problem COMPLETELY resolved next week so that I can upgrade to the latest UAD-1 driver with no problems on large dense mixes: http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.asp?m=737778
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Billy Buck
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RE: Which version of UAD-1 for Sonar 5?
April 01, 06 10:45 AM
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All I can say, is I am using the lastest SONAR 5.0.1/UAD-1 v4.2_VST combo without any problems, but then, I've never had an "error=21" occur, in previous SONAR/UAD-1 versions, over the past three years either. If you are experiencing "error=21" problems now, with v3.9, don't expect v4.2 to magically solve that issue. From what I understand, there are no easy solutions to it, as the exact cause is hard to pin down. But, it does seem certain, that a small number of motherboard/chipsets are prone to this behavior. If I was, in your shoes, and I was repeatedly experiencing the error-21 issue, I would replace my motherboard, for a known compatible one, in a heartbeat. It would be much easier to spend $60-$200, on a new motherboard, than to continue to endure error=21's and bang my head up, against the wall, or have to give up my $2000 UAD-1 investment (I have 2 UAD-1 cards and every single UAD-1 plugin, including my recently purchased Roland FX bundle). Motherboards come & go, most are relatively inexpensive and are easily replaced. The UAD-1 is a specialized, one of a kind DSP card with world class plugins. Pretty easy decision, in my book.
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RE: Which version of UAD-1 for Sonar 5?
April 01, 06 11:11 AM
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ORIGINAL: Alndln I thought freeze didn't work properly with UAD/Sonar,something about it not releasing recources(don't remember the exact terminology) according to Cakewalk. That was the main reason I didn't buy one. Are you refering to freezing other native plugs in the same project? Track Freeze does work with UAD-1 plugins. Plus, once you freeze a track, with UAD-1 plugins, the DSP, is released back to the UAD-1 card.  So you use even more UAD-1 plugins. From what I've read, the Powercore plugins, do not release DSP, after a track freeze.
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Alndln
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RE: Which version of UAD-1 for Sonar 5?
April 01, 06 11:47 AM
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ORIGINAL: Billy Buck Track Freeze does work with UAD-1 plugins. Plus, once you freeze a track, with UAD-1 plugins, the DSP, is released back to the UAD-1 card. So you use even more UAD-1 plugins. From what I've read, the Powercore plugins, do not release DSP, after a track freeze. That's funny,because Cakewalk stated the exact opposite(I think it was Noel). I'd love to hear from them again on this issue regarding both UAD and PoCo. Anyway,thanks for your input on that,it's encouraging. Also I didn't mean to hijack the thread,but it is an UAD issue and an important one.
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SteveD
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RE: Which version of UAD-1 for Sonar 5?
April 01, 06 11:59 AM
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ORIGINAL: Alndln ORIGINAL: Billy Buck Track Freeze does work with UAD-1 plugins. Plus, once you freeze a track, with UAD-1 plugins, the DSP, is released back to the UAD-1 card. So you use even more UAD-1 plugins. From what I've read, the Powercore plugins, do not release DSP, after a track freeze. That's funny,because Cakewalk stated the exact opposite(I think it was Noel). I'd love to hear from them again on this issue regarding both UAD and PoCo. Anyway,thanks for your input on that,it's encouraging. Also I didn't mean to hijack the thread,but it is an UAD issue and an important one. I remember reading that from a baker too... but I think that has been resolved. Hi Billy... P4 users seem to be having less trouble... but I've read too many reports of "err=21" problems to agree that "a small number of motherboard/chipsets are prone to this behavior". You know I respect you a great deal. I just can't go along with you on that one. I've said before... I'm stable at V3.9 unless I push it. But you know what? I should be able to push it. I'll be happy to get this resolved once and for all.
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BruceEnnis
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RE: Which version of UAD-1 for Sonar 5?
April 01, 06 12:45 AM
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At this time I'm running my 2 UAD-1 cards on v4.2 with Sonar 5 what I've seen is as long as I keep the UAD CPU under 90% I don't get the err=21
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Sage K
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RE: Which version of UAD-1 for Sonar 5?
April 01, 06 1:47 PM
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I've got an ASUS K8V SE Delux motherboard with an AMD Athlon 64 3400+ processor with 1GB of RAM. Running 1 UAD-1 card and a LYNX sound card. I'm getting a Mackie Onyx 400F firewire interface to add to the system for the preamps and more input channels. Any comments on this setup?
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Billy Buck
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RE: Which version of UAD-1 for Sonar 5?
April 01, 06 1:56 PM
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ORIGINAL: Alndln ORIGINAL: Billy Buck Track Freeze does work with UAD-1 plugins. Plus, once you freeze a track, with UAD-1 plugins, the DSP, is released back to the UAD-1 card. So you use even more UAD-1 plugins. From what I've read, the Powercore plugins, do not release DSP, after a track freeze. That's funny,because Cakewalk stated the exact opposite(I think it was Noel). I'd love to hear from them again on this issue regarding both UAD and PoCo. Anyway,thanks for your input on that,it's encouraging. Also I didn't mean to hijack the thread,but it is an UAD issue and an important one. Believe me, I can tell you from first hand experience, it works perfectly well. I just did another track freeze, on a track, to verify: I right clicked on a track, that had a LA2A & 1176LN, in the FX bin and selected Freeze, from the menu. A few seconds later, after the track has been frozen, I press play and watch my UAD-1 Performance Meter's DSP usage magically drop, from 61% to 52% (using 2 UAD-1 cards). I guess that is one overlooked advantage, of the UAD-1 over the Poco. As far, as the Poco, I don't own one, but from reading posts, over at the UAD-1 forum, from other Poco users, it seems to be a universal thing. Something to do with the Motorola DSP chips that it uses, that won't allow it to release, the DSP, from a frozen track. Not just in SONAR, but even in other apps like Cubase SX too.
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