each midi note with different pan?

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February 11, 07 3:41 PM (permalink)

each midi note with different pan?

I have a complex piano track that I'd like each note to have it's own pan-position. I don't want to use an audio effect that simply moves the pan around for the entire track because with an effect like that, the panning of each midi note is likely to change when the panning moves. That is, lets say I have 2 notes in a row, A and B, but each one is played fast enough so that the previous note is still sounding. When B comes in, I want it to be at a different pan location than A, but I want A to finish playing where it is. Unfortunately, I don't know of any midi synths (that play a good piano sound) that allow each midi note to have it's own pan position. I know I could use the CAL split notes function to put each note on it's own track, and then I could set each track to it's own channel and it's on pan position, but I'll have more than 16 notes, so therefore I'll need more than one instance of the synth in order to not overlap channels. Another problem I have with this method is the CAL function doens't always work, sometimes it gives me an error saying it cant't do something or other but it never says why.

Does anyone know of any easier way of doing this? Again, what I want is for each note to have it's own pan position independant of all the other notes. Thanks.

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    joetabby
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    RE: each midi note with different pan? February 11, 07 4:09 PM (permalink)
    I don't know of an easy way, but the following would work. MIDI pan has 127 positions so determine your actual note-mapping. Then write a sequence that chromatically resamples a mono piano sampleset with the desired note-panning. Render to wav, cut up the notes and then use whatever way your sampler uses for zonemapping.

    Lot of work, but this way you get a realtime instrument, rather than having something like CAL process after the fact.

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    RE: each midi note with different pan? February 11, 07 5:28 PM (permalink)
    Unfortunately, I don't know of any midi synths (that play a good piano sound) that allow each midi note to have it's own pan position.


    This is the rub, isn't it?
    It really doesn't matter whether or not you can assign each note a different pan position - what matters is having a synth that will respond to the pan control for individual notes. You may have to dissect your synth collection to find one that can even give you some minute panning. A sampler (like Joe says) may let you play with the pan of the sample, or, you could take the .wavs of a piano sample set and pan those note by note. Whew.

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    RE: each midi note with different pan? February 11, 07 5:41 PM (permalink)
    It depends what you want....

    The Motif has a setting with each element to scale the pan to the keyboard so the low notes pan left and the high notes pan right. The call the setting ScalingPan. There's also a RandomPan value, and when you crank that up, you can't tell where a note is going to come from.

    Is this what you mean?

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    RE: each midi note with different pan? February 11, 07 7:15 PM (permalink)
    There is a way but you wont like it. Use the List editor and insert a pan for each note. This is not going to be a fun thing to do. But it should work at least for a synth that will accept CC 10 for pan.
    I am unsure if you can pan one note that is playing and then pan anther note without effecting the first one. But at the least you should be able to get most of the effect you want in the overall sound. Because the first note will have sounded its loudest when first panned. That is the theory at any rate.

    You may be able to do the same in the PRV control pane by drawing cc 10 per note to taste as needed.

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    John
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    MajorUrsa
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    RE: each midi note with different pan? February 11, 07 8:09 PM (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: John

    There is a way but you wont like it. Use the List editor and insert a pan for each note. This is not going to be a fun thing to do. But it should work at least for a synth that will accept CC 10 for pan.
    I am unsure if you can pan one note that is playing and then pan anther note without effecting the first one. But at the least you should be able to get most of the effect you want in the overall sound. Because the first note will have sounded its loudest when first panned. That is the theory at any rate.

    I think he just said that he couldn't find a synth that sustains pan-point per note, that is his problem.

    I don't know how many different notes your track has, but if I wanted to do it, I would create a track for each note, all driving different instances of the synth. Than copy the track to all lanes and delete the notes except the ones for that track.
    Performance will probably inhibit live playing of all tracks but you could freeze them 1 by 1. Sounds fun [sm=rolleyes.gif].

    Ursa..
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    John
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    RE: each midi note with different pan? February 11, 07 11:47 PM (permalink)
    To test out the overall concept I would use the TTS-1 soft synth. It will respond to CC 10.

    It would seem that any stereo synth would have a pan function of sorts. Perhaps a MFX to transpose the CC 10 to something that a non GM synth might handle for pan.

    I don't know that would make a whole lot of since. I just wonder if it is a setting that is not set right. Oh well.

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    John
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