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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/15 09:45:54 (permalink)
I agree Kalle,

Speculation that the tracking devices were turned of deliberately and at different times, changing direction of flight plan so dramatically, and the plane continuing to ping so long afterwards seems to suggest fowl play. As Bit mention, going into a dive would have set off distress signals. Also, there is no indication that they lost the ability to communicate all those hours after changing direction. It appears that the plane went deliberately silent.

It will be fascinating if they ever figure out what has actually happened.

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/15 10:41:31 (permalink)
So, I have been watching CNN this morning and this is getting really interesting.  Because they are starting to be able to decipher the satellite readings of the pings that were recorded; they are pretty certain that this plane changed course and turned West, towards Africa or the Middle Eastern region.  They are waiting for more satellite reports to come in and confirm exact locations of those pings.  Basically as 2 or 3 different satellite's show there readings, the signals cross in a triangular pattern and narrow down considerably the location of the pings.
 
One aviation expert mentioned that if you notice where the US has deployed the USS Kidd, it is in the Indian Ocean, where they believe the plane's course was directed too. 
 
I am not a conspiracy theorist, never have been.  I generally believe that the truth is usually the simplest explanation of what actually happened.  But if it turns out that this plane was hi jacked and redirected to this region, one would have to wonder what their plan is. 

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/15 11:02:25 (permalink)
Surprisingly, some of the best and most up-to-date information on this can be found on wikipedia. Pretty cool times we live in, when you can turn to an encyclopedia for news on an ongoing current event.


All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. 

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/15 11:13:23 (permalink)
Great link, Bit.  A very good up to date summary.

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/16 16:57:18 (permalink)
You've all heard of spontaneous combustion right?... Well my theory is along those lines but with a bit of a twist.
 
The culprit? = Spontaneous Lard-ass-tion!
 
That's right! A little known condition that causes the body's cells to turn everything into fat, including the air that the victim is breathing, resulting in them blowing up like a Macy's day parade float! Except that it isn't air inside there? It's lard!!!
 
From what we know of the planes movements? I think it's obvious that multiple passengers suffered this affliction simultaneously and all of them just so happened to be on the same side of the plane. The resulting, almost immediate, massive gain in weight on only one side of the plane, caused it to veer off course.
 
This theory is obviously sound except that it leaves one question. Why did the plane stop transmitting it's location?
 
To that I say, why don't you try transmitting your location with a salty, jiggling, erupting man boob, squishing into you like a flesh geyser set to projectile vomit?!!... In other words, I imagine the transponder was possibly crushed... Or eaten?...
 
With all this taken into account and adding the fact that the airline have said that the pilot was exceptionally skilled at keeping big metal things airborne. They need to stop searching for a crashed plane in the ocean and maybe should start looking for it in a parking lot at a KFC in Jakarta...
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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/16 19:37:44 (permalink)
One problem with that theory...  Lard floats.

 
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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/16 22:38:41 (permalink)
The reason "they" say flying is safe is to protect the commercial institution from public fear. Federal safety standards are so strict and expensive that the smaller the operation (and smaller the plane) the more likely these standards are not adhered to. It's common for the flying community to view FAA as over controlling and corners are cut to save time and money.
 
Before FAA stepped in, flying was indeed very unsafe. The Wrights knew just enough to get off the ground. Once in the air it was pretty much every man for himself. After WW1 the government told their pilots to go home and forget everything they knew about flying. Like that was going to happen! Once flying is in your blood it's like a disease with no cure. So many of them bought surplus war planes and went barn storming... much to farmer's chagrin.
 
During WW2 many pilots died in stalls and spins because they didn't understand that basic aspect of flying yet. Now that they do, these are some of the first things you learn about.
 
Alaska is the "flyingest state" with more pilots per capita than any other state. On average 50 pilots a year die here, mostly due to operator error. I know many "backyard" pilots of whom most I would never dream of flying with.
 
I will say that the larger and more famous an airline is, the safer it is bound to be. Even so, I personally do not consider flying to be any more or less safe than any other form of transportation... except maybe cycling.
 
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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/17 09:25:54 (permalink)
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... A great landing is one where you can reuse the plane.  Unfortunately, I ran out of money at the time and never did finish to get my pilot's license.  Oh well.



Does that mean you CRASHED?
 
Bummer!
 

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/17 12:04:38 (permalink)
Little airplanes should be safer (a 747 can't land in a pasture in a pinch and has a glide ratio akin to a streamlined rock) but they're not, primarily due to pilot incompetence. Just marvel at the widespread incompetence every morning on the freeway during rush hour - well, some of those idiots have pilot licenses, too.
 
My father was a flight instructor, both in the military and in the private sector. He had some tales to tell! He was also an open-cockpit stunt pilot who understood the principles of aerodynamics quite well. He also understood the importance of procedure and consistent adherence to best-practices. I remember flying with him once when he chastised me for not folding a map properly, saying it was a safety issue.


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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/17 12:29:23 (permalink)
A former girlfriend's father was a career Air Force pilot with thousands of hours in B-47s, B-57s and B-52s, yet he still managed to stall a small plane, with his only son aboard (also a pilot). They survived the crash, but were both seriously injured.

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/17 12:31:41 (permalink)
It's usually not the fall but the sudden stop that causes all the problems. 

 
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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/17 20:37:35 (permalink)
Flying should be left to professionals, not weekenders. I'm reminded of this whenever some CEO kills himself and his entire family flying to their summer retreat. Some of these people fly once a fortnight, once a month or sometimes less frequently. I don't think you can be prepared for every situation unless flying is your job and you do it every day.

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/18 00:19:40 (permalink)
You do know that "professional" pilots are only allowed to fly 20 hours a week, right? 

 
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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/18 00:26:37 (permalink)
While large airliners are more problematic to land, by far, than small single engine planes they do NOT have the glide ratios of "rocks", streamlined or otherwise. Flight 370, for instance had a glide path of about 80 miles from 35,000 feet.
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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/18 02:17:16 (permalink)
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You do know that "professional" pilots are only allowed to fly 20 hours a week, right? 




Which is 16x more than someone who only flies 5 hours a month. 

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/18 03:48:40 (permalink)
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You do know that "professional" pilots are only allowed to fly 20 hours a week, right? 




Which is 16x more than someone who only flies 5 hours a month. 


Would that not depend on which month it is?

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/18 04:54:56 (permalink)
A "good" month, I s'pect.  The fewer times a month they fly the gooder it is for everyone.
 
I used to fly and am also licensed to fix those "Wonderful Flying Contraptions". The first thing I learned is how flimsy they really are. There simply isn't enough spongy matter between you and any outside object that's rapidly propelling toward you.
 
If you really think flying is safe, look at how many Wingsuit men are dying to prove you wrong. It's sad to see anyone perish but this has got to be the ultimate in daredevil stupidity.
 
The more recent idea of putting ballistic shoots on planes is a great idea since the science of any person speeding like a bullet toward a hard object can only result in one outcome... ouch! My geniously unpatented idea is to come up with a ballistic airbag that completely envelopes the plane transforming it into a "big rubber ball".
 
 
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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/18 10:49:33 (permalink)
Here's a good read, the most sensible theory I've seen yet:
 
http://www.wired.com/auto...mh370-electrical-fire/

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/18 10:53:12 (permalink)
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You do know that "professional" pilots are only allowed to fly 20 hours a week, right? 




Which is 16x more than someone who only flies 5 hours a month. 


Would that not depend on which month it is?




Nope. Whether it's January, February, March, April, May or any of the others, 5 hours a month is always 16x less than 80 hours a month 

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/18 11:15:39 (permalink)
Interesting read.  But still doesn't really account for no distress signals of any kind being sent from the plane. Or does it?
 

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/18 11:15:49 (permalink)
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You do know that "professional" pilots are only allowed to fly 20 hours a week, right? 




Which is 16x more than someone who only flies 5 hours a month. 


Would that not depend on which month it is?




Nope. Whether it's January, February, March, April, May or any of the others, 5 hours a month is always 16x less than 80 hours a month 


That is true, but craigb(ITHRN) said 20 hours a week, which is 80 hours a month in 3 out of 4 Februaries but no other month.

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/18 11:58:28 (permalink)
Now we're splitting months!

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/18 12:01:08 (permalink)
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Interesting read.  But still doesn't really account for no distress signals of any kind being sent from the plane. Or does it?
 


"For me, the loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense in a fire. And there most likely was an electrical fire. In the case of a fire, the first response is to pull the main busses and restore circuits one by one until you have isolated the bad one. If they pulled the busses, the plane would go silent. It probably was a serious event and the flight crew was occupied with controlling the plane and trying to fight the fire. Aviate, navigate, and lastly, communicate is the mantra in such situations"

I think that pretty much sums it up.

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/18 13:03:43 (permalink)
I still say before they "pulled the busses" they would've sent a distress signal/call. Just my opinion.

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/18 14:10:38 (permalink)
The last update I heard were that there were no updates.

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/18 17:19:19 (permalink)

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/18 19:12:57 (permalink)
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Looks like Courtney Love has found the plane ...
 
http://wonderwall.msn.com/movies/the-shortlist-for-march-18-28535.gallery?photoId=134896
 
or
 
 http://pagesix.com/2014/03/18/courtney-love-i-found-the-lost-plane/
 




Love this comment about her "discovery." 
“What are the odds though that it would land right next to a red sign saying ‘plane’?"

 
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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/19 09:44:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2014/03/19 09:58:08
Found It..
 

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/19 13:33:14 (permalink)
Latest word (whatever that means anymore) is that the new altered course was layed into the onboard flight computer BEFORE the "all right, goodnight" sign off.  Meaning, of course, no fire, no problem, no disaster.  Just sayin.

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/19 14:10:02 (permalink)
OK, I think I have identified a contributing factor to the plane's disappearance:
 

 

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