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2014/03/13 23:02:07 (permalink)

Flight MH370

So what's your theory about flight MH370?
 
I'm hoping it turns out to be a mass alien abduction.
 
Second-best outcome: they're stranded on an uncharted island guarded by smoke things.
 
And where are all the psychics on this one? I miss Sylvia Brown. She would have had a book out by now.
 
Sadly, the truth will turn out to be far more mundane and unhappy. But as long as it's a mystery, we can take comfort in fanciful speculation.


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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/13 23:14:46 (permalink)
I think it was hijacked. Go below radar and fly to an airstrip as arranged. The evening news was just commenting how ridiculous this idea is. Really? In this day and age very little happens that I don't think is ridiculous. Second guess is the smoke monsters Bit.

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/13 23:22:01 (permalink)
Well bit, being as the subject is a serious one you may find some people might not take cotton to answering it(here where Buffoonery rules the board). I hope those folk's get an answer as to what happened(God Bless them in the worst case scenario) and hopefully we don't get into a ruckus over how people respond to this inquiry here at Unfunny central.
 

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/13 23:40:15 (permalink)
If nothing else it has shown us once again that all the technology that we take for granted every day still has it's limitations. I've no real doubt that this tragic mystery will be solved...but it is a baffling conundrum.

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/14 00:02:54 (permalink)
FSF.
 
'Nuff sed.
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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/14 00:20:13 (permalink)
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FSF.
 
'Nuff sed.




Okay... I was going to stay out of it... you know, let it slide...
 
How can the FSF contain craigb?, or mesh for that matter. I'm sorry Bapu but you got a leaky Fred there.

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/14 01:03:04 (permalink)
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 I'm sorry Bapu but you got a leaky Fred there.


"DEPENDS" on what your definition of leaky is.
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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/14 01:09:07 (permalink)
I really hope there's a good explanation and the passengers are safe.  From what I've heard so far, it sounds a lot like the plot to the James Bond movie Thunderball.  

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/14 01:12:14 (permalink)
Bit did not say "serious theories only" so here goes.....
 
 
They're looking for Amelia's flight path.
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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/14 02:17:50 (permalink)
Well as much as I'd like to think they're all hanging out with Spongebob Squarepants in some wacky underwater malt shop, I think the most probably answer is hijacked and crashed. If it was some kind of terror attack though, it's certainly strange that nobody has claimed any kind of involvement. I read somewhere that they were also floating "pilot suicide" as a theory - totally nuts but given the complete lack of clues, probably about as likely as anything else. 

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/14 04:07:03 (permalink)
Sorry to bring the mood down, but I think it's pretty obvious that the plane went down in the water and they may find an oil slick but that's about it.   Not sure how long the so-called black boxes will ping for.
 
As for why, I don't think the hijacking theory is a bad one considering there were at least two passengers on the plane that got on that plane using stolen passports (this was discovered when they went to contact relatives of the two passengers and found they were still alive and not on the plane).
 
Naturally, I find it interesting that people focus in on one event like this when we have over 90 motor vehicle fatalities every day here in the U.S....  Flying is still the safest way to travel.
 
I've now taken this thread down so far that I'm forced to post a couple of bunnies in cups to raise the mood!
 

 
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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/14 05:06:26 (permalink)
I don't think it's a terrorist act.
Could it be the plane got badly out of course and was accidentally shot down by the military somewhere, and they don't want it to be found?
It seems the Malesian and Vietnamese authorities read news about the planes whereabouts in US newspapers.
Does it mean the US has better tracking of even passenger planes everywhere than the local air traffic control and military?
 
If the plane really kept on flying several hours after it vanished from radars (as the US newspapers say/based on info from US authorities??) it must have happened peacefully, otherwise the passengers had surely sent SMS or used their mobile phones somehow.
So, my guess is that whatever happened at the final stage, it happened suddenly, in two-three minutes. Before that there was nothing alarming taking place inside the plane.
 
The action movie version is, of course, that the plane is on some jungle airport and will be used for some kind of an operation soon.
 
 Craigb: AFAIK flying is  clearly the safest way to travel only if you count the miles. If you count the trips taken, the graphs look different. Who of us thinks that way? Does it matter if you crash on a local flight or on the way to Beijing?
EDIT. I did just find an article that says I'm wrong, per trip or per mile, air travel is safest.
 
 
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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/14 06:31:30 (permalink)
Here's my 2 cents:
 
Hull crack (not uncommon in Boeing 777s), craft depressurised, passengers and crew lost consciousness, plane drifted lower and lower, went under. If this is so then at least everyone was 'asleep' when it happened...

Now, THAT wasn't supposed to happen...
 
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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/14 08:16:50 (permalink)
There was a good article in Slate about trans continental flights and how common it is that there is no comms at all with planes for a good portion of the flights over water.
 
 
http://www.slate.com/arti...thing_in_aviation.html
 
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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/14 08:20:44 (permalink)
And now the latest news (by Reuters) might indicate my action movie version is possible :o/
The plane has possibly been spotted on the way towards Andaman Islands, northwest from Kuala Lumpur, the departure place.

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/14 08:23:59 (permalink)
I  heard it was spotted near Bermuda...

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/14 09:20:18 (permalink)
A couple of random thoughts....
 
Ever see the TV series "LOST"?
 
How about the plane that went down in the Andes Mountains with the soccer team.... they knew the flight path, and yet it took 72 days to find the crash and the survivors... who, when found, were dining on the ones who did not survive. That was over 2 months missing.
 
There are numerous crashes through the years where the authorities knew the path, and even with that information took weeks if not months to find the wreckage and in some cases, the flights were never found.
 
Whether it was a water crash and the plane went down in one piece and sank quickly, a land crash into an area where the plane is effectively hidden from view due to terrain or jungle vegetation,  passing through a time/space vortex/worm hole, or abduction by the greys or the greens......  who knows?

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/14 09:30:59 (permalink)
my theory is that no one is really looking due to red tape.
 
The "news" that sticks in my head is that no one is in charge.
They've got lots of paper to shuffle around for proper posturing and to see who has to spend their resources.
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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/14 09:54:54 (permalink)
If you want some interesting reading on this, visit the forums on Airliners.net
 

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/14 11:55:41 (permalink)
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I don't think it's a terrorist act.
Could it be the plane got badly out of course and was accidentally shot down by the military somewhere, and they don't want it to be found?
It seems the Malesian and Vietnamese authorities read news about the planes whereabouts in US newspapers.
Does it mean the US has better tracking of even passenger planes everywhere than the local air traffic control and military?
 
If the plane really kept on flying several hours after it vanished from radars (as the US newspapers say/based on info from US authorities??) it must have happened peacefully, otherwise the passengers had surely sent SMS or used their mobile phones somehow.
So, my guess is that whatever happened at the final stage, it happened suddenly, in two-three minutes. Before that there was nothing alarming taking place inside the plane.
 
The action movie version is, of course, that the plane is on some jungle airport and will be used for some kind of an operation soon.
 
 Craigb: AFAIK flying is  clearly the safest way to travel only if you count the miles. If you count the trips taken, the graphs look different. Who of us thinks that way? Does it matter if you crash on a local flight or on the way to Beijing?
EDIT. I did just find an article that says I'm wrong, per trip or per mile, air travel is safest.
 
 


Yes, but when a plane crashes it takes a whole lot of people at one shot.  I guess the statistics don't really matter if you're one of the bodies in the morgue no matter which vehicle you were in. 

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/14 11:57:29 (permalink)
Our military who is helping to look for the jet has stated that they can find something as small as a basketball from miles high.
 
The ocean is still a big place though. Speculation is rampant. One of our news carriers made a pretty big deal about a few of the passengers having stolen passports. I'm not sure how much that kind of thing happens. The same news agency came back later and said that at least one of the suspects was basically cleared as a suspect which had me wondering why? Good guys don't usually steal passports.
 
Something shady is going on.....I don't think it's a case of simply an aircraft that malfunctioned and crashed. 

 
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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/14 12:17:38 (permalink)
Donner, party of 50...

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/14 17:10:01 (permalink)
The evidence is strong for deliberate action on the part of the pilots. It may have been under duress or the pilots may have been replaced by hijackers, but it does not seem credible that there was some kind of equipment failure. An error in navigation would not cause experienced flight personnel to fly for hours in the wrong direction. When one of these planes goes into the water after a catastrophic failure followed by a crash, or explosion in flight there is a lot more than an oil slick. Many parts of the aircraft will float, as will many parts of the cargo and passenger possessions. An exceptionally skillful water landing, followed by a sinking puts out less debris, but should have been followed by automatic distress signal beacons form life rafts etc. A crash landing on land with debris scattered under dense jungle canopy is more likely. Or a successful landing followed by hiding the aircraft. It is sobering to think that in the 21st century with all the agencies monitoring radar, satellites etc. an aircraft can disappear just by turning off a transponder, and not responding to the radio. Amelia Earhart is probably laughing at us somewhere.
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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/14 17:47:44 (permalink)
>"EDIT. I did just find an article that says I'm wrong, per trip or per mile, air travel is safest."<
 
That's funny. If I live to be 98 and then fly for the 1st time in my life and the plane crashes and I'm crippled for life or die.... I'll be glad I took the "safest" way to travel.
 
Statistics are for people who write books, imo.
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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/14 18:00:16 (permalink)
Air travel would be the safest mode of transportation except for one factor: 99.9% of air passengers arrive at the airport in a car or a bus. It's the 45 minutes between my house and the airport that I find most frightening. Especially the time I drove down country roads to the airport at night without headlights, but I try not to make a habit of that.
 
I think what makes this case unnerving is that we have this notion that aircraft are continuously tracked and monitored while in flight, and that just ain't so. Fact is, even commercial flights are pretty much on their own for at least part of any ocean route.
 
It's only been 5 years since a similarly-sized aircraft vanished over the ocean. As with MH370, it too "just disappeared". It took 5 days to discover the wreckage, even though it was more or less on course when it went in the drink. It took 2 more years to recover the black boxes, and another year to piece together the sequence of events that led to the plane's demise.
 
What was upsetting about that incident is that a nearly-new state-of-the-art airplane (an A330) could be brought down by a single minor malfunction that made it impossible for the pilots to know how fast the airplane was going. Were they too slow or too fast? With a 50-50 chance of guessing correctly, they guessed wrong, put the nose up and stalled - while ignoring the audible stall warnings that were going off. The airplane literally fell out of the sky, remaining horizontal and slowly spinning as it fell straight down. Stuff like that isn't supposed to happen.
 
The bogus-passport angle will likely turn out to be irrelevant. Stolen passports are a big business in Malaysia. Those two guys were just following a long-established procedure for escaping Iran: go to Malaysia under a legit passport, buy a European passport on the black market, and then choose your destination in the free world. If you can get off the plane before the stolen passports are entered into the database you're home free.
 
The pilot-suicide theory is also unlikely. To intentionally crash a plane the pilot would most likely send it into a dive, which would have triggered an automatic broadcast to the monitoring satellites. 
 
As for pilot error, the pilot was a veteran. More significant may be that the first officer had no time in a 777, only in a simulator. Cruising straight and level would be the logical time to let the new guy take over the controls and get some flight time under his belt. They don't simulate every contingency in those simulators.
 
 


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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/15 04:25:01 (permalink)
>They don't simulate every contingency in those simulators.<
 
One thing they DO simulate in a simulator is... flying.
 
In fact, the safest way to fly is in a simulator. 
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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/15 04:54:42 (permalink)
When I started at a flying school the instructor said a good landing is one you can walk away from.  A great landing is one where you can reuse the plane.  Unfortunately, I ran out of money at the time and never did finish to get my pilot's license.  Oh well.

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/15 05:07:11 (permalink)
News says somebody deliberately disabled the communications on the plane.

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/15 05:22:12 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2014/03/18 11:45:13
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News says somebody deliberately disabled the communications on the plane.



You'd think the FSF would be a better choice...

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Re: Flight MH370 2014/03/15 06:24:04 (permalink)
The possibility that the plane had been hijacked and had really (nearly?) reached the Andaman Islands without
being spotted is both frightening and fascinating. The latest news/speculations say it was airborne still 7 hours after disappearance!

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