"...Samplitude Music Studio back to Sonar....

You mean--there's supposed to be a contest there - ?  - ! -

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Jose7822

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Oh yes, one question if I may? I loaded the template into Sonar 8 and read the release notes which mentioned that the Master Out was set to RMS and as such the mix should be around the -20 mark. I noticed that the demo song provided was peaking at just under 0db on the meters and wondered if this could have been reset by me using a new version of Sonar? Is there an easy way to set this back?

Cheers

Spence 

Hey there!
 
I'm not Jonas, but I can help you with your question.  The reason for the disparity is because you're reading the PEAK levels instead of the RMS (Root Median Square) levels as suggested.  To change this, click on the drop-down arrow found next to the Show/Hide All Meters button (It's to the right of the Snap to Grid button in the Tool Bar).  Go down to the end where it says "Bus Meter Options" and select "RMS".  That'll show you the average levels of the song, which is what Jonas was refering to.
 
 
HTH

I'm not Jonas, but I can help you with your question. The reason for the disparity is because you're reading the PEAK levels instead of the RMS (Root Median Square) levels as suggested. To change this, click on the drop-down arrow found next to the Show/Hide All Meters button (It's to the right of the Snap to Grid button in the Tool Bar). Go down to the end where it says "Bus Meter Options" and select "RMS". That'll show you the average levels of the song, which is what Jonas was refering to.

Ah - enlightenment...

Many thanks for this Jose!!

Thanks Jonas!

Thanks Jonas...Been using your Ozone presets for a while now...
 

The technique has probably been around since the 50's.  Charles Dye spends some time discussing it in his "Mix It Like A Record" video.  What happens is that the left and right compressors (or a single compressor in unlinked mode) will react slightly differently creating a stereo image that is a little animated/dynamic.  As long as you are not slamming the compressor(s) too hard you shouldn't enounter any unpleasant shifts in the stereo image. 

One more thing. Is there supposed to be a compressor on the Mix Left bus and then a separate compressor on the Mix Right Bus then? There is nothing on either bus in the template.

Thanks so much.....very generous of you.

Having this thread come back up to the top reminded me that I'd downloaded version 2 of the template in March, and had been impressed, but hadn't really done anything with it yet.

I see discussion here about dual mono masters - but I don't have that.  When I open it, there's just a regular stereo master with a regular Cakewalk compressor on it.

I guess it's because I'm on Sonar 8.3.1 instead of 8.5--?  Not sure why that would change a bus template, but it's all I can think of.*

I don't get any warning messages about missing anything, but I do see the Rex file isn't turned on and can't be just by clicking it.  I could try going through the complicated post earlier about getting that part to work.  But for now, it's the nicely laid out orchestral template in folders with associated buses which I'm liking. 

The John Williams sample file sounds great with the TTS-1.  I may experiment with swapping out those patches with the ones I usually use, by way of switching the template to my own instruments.

Several questions have piled up on this thread - so I'm adding mine, the question about not having the dual mono masters in my Sonar 8.3.1.  But also to thank Jonas for this meticulously constructed template!

*EDIT:  I obviously got the two templates mixed up.  Now I see the 1st one is the orchestral one, and the 2nd one is the one with the dual mono master.  For this one, I did have quite a few things come up as missing, since I'm on 8.3.1 Studio.

Randy B.

Got it, Jonas - I was just momentarily confused by the files I had in my Cakewalk Projects folder from when I downloaded these previously. 

I'm in the process of adapting the Orchestral template for the instruments I use (mostly Garritan), adding tracks for piccolo and flute, whatever else isn't already there, and individual audio outs for each instrument.  It'll be fun to hear the sample file through those instruments.

For the most part I haven't used templates, though I've set various ones up now and then.  What I tend to do is open a project which is in the ballpark of what a new project needs to be, strip it of all data, and start recording.

But your well-thought our Orchestral template is inspiring, so I'll keep playing with it!

Randy B.

Thank you Jonas for sharing your experience. The two templates and ozone presets,... have helped me learn a bunch of stuff I no doubt needed to know.
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When the template was first posted I was daunted by the prospect of adapting many projects to use this knowledge, to learn a better way. Fortunately Sonar includes the track template function. So I decided to create a project to use as a master major "template" with everything in one spot. I have, and continue, to add/modify buses and tracks and instruments, to the template. And then save to track templates for use anytime/anywhere.
 
This way, if I need a new variation, I can add/modify a track/bus and save a track template.
Or, I can delete all the tracks not needed for the new project, and save to that project's name.
 
I find it easier to work with projects than with actual templates.
 
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Buses I have added/modified:
  Vocals ALL
  Vocals Main
  Vocals Background
  Instruments ALL
  Guitars All
  Guitars 1
  Guitars 2
  MAIN OUT: Fed only from the Master Mix bus.
    The main out bus has Voxengo Span, vintage meter, Panipulator.
    I have at least two blank tracks labeled MIX1 and MIX2.
     These output to the MAIN OUT. No need to bypass the effects/eq for the Master Mix bus.
    I change the name (add the date) of the mix tracks before bouncing-to-tracks
       so the wav file will have a reasonable name.
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An example of a modification:
 
I created a couple of tracks for a particular guitar sound:
  set input
  enabled eq, with preset
  Added effects to the bin
 
  Sends: 
    (these buses are routed to Instruments ALL)
    Reverb small room
    Flanger
 
  Track OUTPUT to
    Guitars 1
      > Instruments ALL
        > Sub Master
          > L / R  do not touch
            > Master MIX
              > MAIN OUT
 
I then saved the tracks to track templates.
 
When I load this track templates I get ALL the buses and routings. I then modify the project to use the new buses,...
 
 
J
 
 
 

Melvin J.


One more thing. Is there supposed to be a compressor on the Mix Left bus and then a separate compressor on the Mix Right Bus then? There is nothing on either bus in the template.

 
This template is brill, but i would like to know the answer to this question please.
 
Cheers
Steve.

One of the earlier incarnations of the template had two identical compressors on 'mix left' and 'mix right' just as you describe.  If you choose to go that route get rid of the LP64 on the master bus. 

so from what you're saying If I put a compresor on each split mono track as oppossed to the LP 64 I can get a more dynamic mix ?

don't know where this post of mine will end up with all the ravings .. just downloaded it... can't wait to use it... thanx jonas... I am sure it will help me greatly

Great work Jonas,
Thanks,
Dying to go home and check it out!
Best regards,
RiveraMan