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2013/02/22 01:13:42 (permalink)

Frustration, crashed and weird crap happening.

I used x1 right up until x2 was available, had ZERO issues with it. Now I am experiencing just random crashed and weird behaviors. I love Sonar, mostly cuz I know how to use it, however I am starting to think about changing daws. I get crashed and just random things that happen that side track me for 10 mins here, 20 mins there, have to reboot at least once per session cuz sonar drops out. never had any issues with x1. Is there actually a list somehwere of known issues and fixes? So at least I can see if the things that are happening to me are bugs or if I have other issues happening. After all I have invested in this software, both in time and money, I would really like to get this figured out! Cakewalk are you listening. I have seen many post that are showing the same frustrations as I am having and tried to stay out of them, but my session tonight was just riddled with issues.
 
the wave forms disappeared randomly, the audio still played, took me a few minutes to figure that out.
 
a blank lane exists where a take lane used to be. I deleted the take lane and there is an empty space (not a lane). the lanes did not shrink back together once it was deleted. even after a reboot, its still there taking up screen space.
 
While recording, monitoring was perfectly fine, I hit stop, and the wave file was moved 1 measure past where it should have been. Thought I did something wrong, tried again and same thing. rebooted and then it worked correctly again.
 
when I clone a track with multiple takes, any muted takes are unmuted. took me 30 min to figure this out and remute the takes.
 
sometimes when I add an effect to the fx bin, the audio stops working in sonar, I open media player and it works fine. sometimes I can toggle the audio engine button and it comes back, most times I have to reboot.
 
I had the snap to grid on whole note, inserted midi clips and they were about 1/16 off. why does snap to grid on not actually snap to the whole note as selected?
 
CAkewalk, please let us know you are actually addressing this! I understand it may take some time, would be great to know you are working on it. 

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Re:Frustration, crashed and weird crap happening. 2013/02/22 05:16:47 (permalink)

If you've all of a sudden got stability issues with X2 its gonna be your system or a corrupted project. Workflow issues are probably Sonar issues. Existing project or new project? Have you updated all your firmware and drivers everywhere? Have you updated your BIOS and chip set drivers. Have you run windows update? Have you defragged and run scan disk? Have you updated your plugins? Have you installed any new plugins recently? Are you running X2A? Sadly you are going to need to spend some time on this.
I can answer on cakewalks behalf that they are working on X2B.




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Re:Frustration, crashed and weird crap happening. 2013/02/22 07:48:37 (permalink)
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I love Sonar, mostly cuz I know how to use it, however I am starting to think about changing daws. 
When Sonar was X1b (or was it X1c?) and was quite unstable, I went on to purchase another daw. Having two daws is actually nice. When one gets stuck I can keep working using the other. Fortunately, X2a and the other daw both work without major problems.

Having said that, I would do a clean re-install of X2 and X2a before thinking about another daw.


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Re:Frustration, crashed and weird crap happening. 2013/02/22 08:30:35 (permalink)
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I used x1 right up until x2 was available, had ZERO issues with it. Now I am experiencing just random crashed and weird behaviors. I love Sonar, mostly cuz I know how to use it, however I am starting to think about changing daws. I get crashed and just random things that happen that side track me for 10 mins here, 20 mins there, have to reboot at least once per session cuz sonar drops out. never had any issues with x1. Is there actually a list somehwere of known issues and fixes? So at least I can see if the things that are happening to me are bugs or if I have other issues happening. After all I have invested in this software, both in time and money, I would really like to get this figured out! Cakewalk are you listening. I have seen many post that are showing the same frustrations as I am having and tried to stay out of them, but my session tonight was just riddled with issues.
 
the wave forms disappeared randomly, the audio still played, took me a few minutes to figure that out.
 
a blank lane exists where a take lane used to be. I deleted the take lane and there is an empty space (not a lane). the lanes did not shrink back together once it was deleted. even after a reboot, its still there taking up screen space.
 
While recording, monitoring was perfectly fine, I hit stop, and the wave file was moved 1 measure past where it should have been. Thought I did something wrong, tried again and same thing. rebooted and then it worked correctly again.
 
when I clone a track with multiple takes, any muted takes are unmuted. took me 30 min to figure this out and remute the takes.
 
sometimes when I add an effect to the fx bin, the audio stops working in sonar, I open media player and it works fine. sometimes I can toggle the audio engine button and it comes back, most times I have to reboot.
 
I had the snap to grid on whole note, inserted midi clips and they were about 1/16 off. why does snap to grid on not actually snap to the whole note as selected?
 
CAkewalk, please let us know you are actually addressing this! I understand it may take some time, would be great to know you are working on it. 

Hi there!
 
I think I know what causing stability issues that you experience!
Blue death crash,  restart windows?
 
Have you check windows event log file?  "error id 46 volmgr"
 
 
Let's try these steps to change the settings of virtual memory only for 'C' drive and remove the settings to automatically manager paging file size for other drives.

a. Open System by clicking the Start button, clicking Control Panel, clicking System and Maintenance, and then clicking System.
b. In the left pane, click Advanced system settings. If you are prompted for an administrator password or confirmation, type the password or provide confirmation.
c. On the Advanced tab, under Performance, click Settings.
d. Click the Advanced tab, and then, under Virtual memory, click Change.
e. Clear the Automatically manage paging file size for all drives check box.
f. Under Drive [volume label], click the drive that contains the paging file you want to change.
g. Select the drive and select no paging file and click set for all the drives except for C drive:
 
Set page file size as same as your installed RAM size, example: If you have 8126mb RAM set MAX pagefile to 8126 and minimum to same value 8126.
Windows will need to rebot your system..
 
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/Change-the-size-of-virtual-memory


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Re:Frustration, crashed and weird crap happening. 2013/02/22 08:54:31 (permalink)
I wouldn't do Freddie's tip unless you exactly have what he thinks he's diagnosed. If he's right he's a genuine mind reader (didn't see any mention about BSODs)

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Re:Frustration, crashed and weird crap happening. 2013/02/22 09:00:06 (permalink)
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I wouldn't do Freddie's tip unless you exactly have what he thinks he's diagnosed. If he's right he's a genuine mind reader (didn't see any mention about BSODs)
It doesn't alter the system in any bad way even if you try it!  
You can always go back to "windows default" anytime.
 
 
Often you get this error message if you have 16GB RAM or more installed, but sometimes on 8 or 4GB too.
But yes, of course try to check if you find  "error id 46 volmgr" is a good thing.



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Re:Frustration, crashed and weird crap happening. 2013/02/22 09:20:41 (permalink)
I find it completely idiotic that windows allocates the amount of space to the page file = to the amount of ram. For instance 15 GB seems rediculous for a page file. But what do I know. And on top of that if you have hybernation turned on windows sucks another 15 GB. That's 30 GB reserved for windows which will more then likely never be used. 

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Re:Frustration, crashed and weird crap happening. 2013/02/22 10:04:48 (permalink)
Again I'm not seeing anything about a paging issue or BSODs on the original post, however I've also just noticed the Windows version hasn't been stated at all either, anyway just for kicks here are MS recommendations for paging size (64 bit Windows):
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/889654/en-us

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Re:Frustration, crashed and weird crap happening. 2013/02/22 10:58:24 (permalink)
Alex: Its not that all of sudden I am having issues, been having them from day one with x2. I do realize that I have been getting more "complex" projects, more midi instruments, more automation etc. I'm sure the projects are requiring more resourses. I'm learning more and doin more, Perhaps that is why I didn't notice anything with x1. 

I rarely get a blue screen crash. Don't think have ever got one related to sonar. Sometimes on shut down I get it.

Yes, I have added a few plugins, amplitube, arc2, ampeg svx & ozone 5. that's it.

no i have not updated windows, my computer is a dedicated recording machine. rarely connect to the internet.

I have defraged a couple of time, I have a dedicated drive for the cakewalk projects, another dedicated drive for BFD, and another backup drive. I will try to defrag the project drive.

I have shut off services which are not required, as per the sweetwater windows 7 optimization guide, I was have all the issues prior to this, was hoping this would help.
http://www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/downloads/Windows_7_Optimization_Guide.pdf

Have you updated your BIOS and chip set drivers. dont' know how to do this, any documentation on this?

these issues happen on both existing and new projects.

I'm sorry if it sound like I was just complaining, i guess I am just frustrated. Good to know they are working on an update. Is there a list of known issues? If so this would help me determine if my issues are sonar related or system related.

I am using windows 7 64 bit, see my signature for additional info about my system.

I have not had any errors indicating paging issues. I will look at the doc you linked.

Thanks Alex.

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Re:Frustration, crashed and weird crap happening. 2013/02/22 11:28:28 (permalink)
So I don't think it's a paging issue Tracey although I see no harm in optimizing your performance (but I would do this last). 8Gb of memory should be fine although there's never any harm in purchasing extra memory (I'd hold off though). I'm pretty certain memory isn't your problem.

I totally understand the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" mentality, however it is broken, I strongly suggest you connect to the internet and run Windows update two or three times. I also strongly suggest you go on the internet as well and update all your firmware and drivers/ BIOS and chip set drivers/plugs to the latest versions, it may have worked well with X1 before but doesn't rule out any of what I'm pointing out. Also rescan your plugins.

I'm running X2B with total reliability and I see no reason why you shouldn't. I'm specifically talking about the crashes here.

Cheers... I hope you get this resolved.
PS At no stage did I think you were moaning, it was a good post, you just need to rule everything else out first.

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Re:Frustration, crashed and weird crap happening. 2013/02/22 11:40:21 (permalink)
how do I update BIOS and chipset? I have an hp - AMD and can't seem to get to the chipset part of the bios etc. can get to boot order etc.

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Re:Frustration, crashed and weird crap happening. 2013/02/22 11:58:21 (permalink)
i found its also a good idea when opening older projects from pre x2(x1-8.5)re save the project using a different name in x2,rather than saving over the existing project.

best of luck tracy.
 
ps= i would also most denfinitely do windows update.
i use x2a i also have an AMD and use alot of the same plug ins mentioned.
i dont think your that far off from becoming stable.
ive read your specs and there is nothing there that might be causing issues that i see.
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Re:Frustration, crashed and weird crap happening. 2013/02/22 12:05:35 (permalink)
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how do I update BIOS and chipset? I have an hp - AMD and can't seem to get to the chipset part of the bios etc. can get to boot order etc.
 
 
On ASUS motherboard its very simple! You just download it on their website add the file to flashdrive (USB key).
Then you restart and go into BIOS. You can then flash it from the BIOS with help of your flashdrive. (USB key)
 
EASY FLASH!
 
Very easy
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKj5lVQFOLU
 
 
On newer ASUS motherboards you can't destroy the BIOS. It has a factory BIOS-chip on board the motherboardOn other´s you need to be carful. If you loose POWER during flash without chip, you computer will never ever boot again... ever...!!!
 
Sometimes after boot it doesn't BOOT Windows anymore. Don't panic, its just sometime the settings has gone back to "default" again .
go into BIOS and check you settings. It can also be good before you "FLASH it" save the your "settings" in BIOS. You can save it on the last page in BIOS menu.
 
Hope it help!
 
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Re:Frustration, crashed and weird crap happening. 2013/02/22 12:12:37 (permalink)
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how do I update BIOS and chipset? I have an hp - AMD and can't seem to get to the chipset part of the bios etc. can get to boot order etc.
Unless you're having a specific problem directly related to or traceable to BIOS, you shouldn't touch it. You can mess up your entire computer and render it useless if something goes wrong or you install the wrong BIOS. It's an HP, it could have a proprietary BIOS so be careful. IOW, don't look up your Motherboard on the internet and install it from the manufacturers web site, go to HP's web site and start there.

If anything goes wrong, you'll have to take your DAW apart, remove the battery, short jumpers to reset the BIOS, hope you don't fry something, and there's a really good chance that you may have to re-activate Windows once you do this because it will detect a motherboard change and possibly see that as you having installed the same serial number on a different computer.

Think it through ... if X1 was working for you, X2 should as well.

If I were to guess, I'd say something got corrupted during install, or it's a problem with the updated Windows libraries that X2 installed. A lot of times a fresh install of your OS and Sonar is the only kind of fix for these things.

As for all the problems you're seeing, I saw most of them too ... but most of them disappeared when I installed the A patch. Snap To Grid is buggy, there's been several posts about it ... nothing you can do will fix it. As for the blank spot where the take lane used to be, I saw that when I had my screenset locked. I fixed it by unlocking my screensets. I saw some other weirdness, but that was resolved when I installed the A patch. The deal with you adding an FX and audio stop working ... sounds like something with your soundcard. Just as a test, try upping your sound card buffers.

With your system, you really shouldn't have to do any aggressive tweaking such as that page file stuff and all that.

You should be able to play a project back and edit it (add FX, copy/paste etc etc) without any problems as long as you don't have your buffers set too low.

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Re:Frustration, crashed and weird crap happening. 2013/02/22 12:12:54 (permalink)
Updating the BIOS, drivers, etc, is only easy for those who know what they're doing.

If you're not prepared to spend some time learning about computer stuff (I can easily understand someone not wanting to) then find someone who knows what they're doing.
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Re:Frustration, crashed and weird crap happening. 2013/02/22 12:41:17 (permalink)
 Alex suggested that I update bios and chipset.  Just trying to understand.

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Re:Frustration, crashed and weird crap happening. 2013/02/22 13:21:50 (permalink)
> Updating the BIOS, drivers, etc, is only easy for those who know what they're doing.

If you can read you can do this.

Bub - sorry no, all you need to remember is never to switch off your computer during an update, firmware updates are pretty much foolproof nowadays I'm sure Tracy can read. Every software update will have instructions with it, yes caution is always a good thing, however too much caution will not solve your problems.
 
If you use DAWs updating firmware, drivers etc should be part of your skillset, much like a guitarist should know how to put strings on his guitar.
Remember your PC, soundcard, music keyboards, graphics card etc could all have firmware and driver updates. Windows update will install a lot of them. Most of the time you need to identify the make a model of a part and go to the manufacturers website. e.g. If you own a NVidea card, you go straight to their website to specifically update graphics card drivers. It will probably take a few hours to work this all out first time around..

Cheers....
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Re:Frustration, crashed and weird crap happening. 2013/02/22 13:27:38 (permalink)
TraceyStudios :

" Alex suggested that I update bios and chipset. Just trying to understand. "

I understand that. My point is if you don't already know what Alex is talking about, it's probably best to find someone who does. Computers and operating systems are not something you can properly explain in a forum message or two.

Anybody can follow someone else's recipe to do maintenance on a computer. When you need to know how things work is when something goes wrong (and it often does !).

If you blindly follow a recipe and something goes wrong (and if it's during a BIOS flash things will have gone really wrong) you'll be stuck with a broken computer and no knowledge about how to fix it. Just not worth the risk in my opinion.
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Re:Frustration, crashed and weird crap happening. 2013/02/22 13:32:11 (permalink)
Debates aside let us try and resolve this issue and try not to get too distracted.. 

Paul/Bub - Sadly I suspect you may have installed the fear of death into Tracy and you may have persuaded him to do absolutely nothing when he can easily do something.

Tracy what is the make and model of your PC? We already know the chip, do you know the make and model of the motherboard?
When you boot up (black screen) what firmware version do you have? If you press the break key it should pause so you can read it (or just go into the BIOS).

NB before you update your PC BIOS and chipset drivers I would update your other drivers/firmware and run windows update (first).... Simpler to start off with. Also check inside windows update that you install most or all of the optional updates... within reason.. drivers = good, Microsoft bing toolbar = bad.
 
 
BTW Don't forget to back up your PC.
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Re:Frustration, crashed and weird crap happening. 2013/02/22 13:44:35 (permalink)
> Think it through ... if X1 was working for you, X2 should as well.

BTW - this would appear logical to a layman, however this is a completely wrong assumption. Just because X1 is working with certain drivers/firmware etc does not necessarily mean the same for X2. You need to keep up to date.

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Re:Frustration, crashed and weird crap happening. 2013/02/22 15:37:32 (permalink)
All, thanks for the help.

Alex: I am pretty computer savy, however updating bios is not something I have done before. I do know how to get to the bios, however there is no option for chipset or processor as I have seen on other machines I have owned in the past. I will have to research the motherboard make and model (not sure how to find that at the moment) and the firmware version.  I agree, I will start with the windows update first, and driver updates etc before I takle the bios. I will post my specs for the motherboard and firmware. Again, I appreciate your help.

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Re:Frustration, crashed and weird crap happening. 2013/02/22 15:51:29 (permalink)

AMD FX-6100 six-core processor 3.3GHz
8 Gig RAM
SONAR X3 Producer
Tascam FW1884
Mackie Blackbird
Presonus Digimax
Avalon U5
BFD2
SL Trigger
Alesis DM8 Pro drums
KRK Rokit 8s
KRK 10s
ARC2

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Re:Frustration, crashed and weird crap happening. 2013/02/22 16:31:37 (permalink)
TraceyStudios

for those of you who have HP computers:

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00007682&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&product=62740
Excellent link! This is what I was talking about when I said to go to their web site and not the manufacturer's ...
CAUTION: Only install BIOS updates from HP. Do not install BIOS updates from the motherboard manufacturer's Web site. Doing so might prevent the computer from accepting an HP System Recovery.


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Re:Frustration, crashed and weird crap happening. 2013/02/22 16:49:02 (permalink)
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> Think it through ... if X1 was working for you, X2 should as well.

BTW - this would appear logical to a layman, however this is a completely wrong assumption. Just because X1 is working with certain drivers/firmware etc does not necessarily mean the same for X2. You need to keep up to date.
Drivers I agree, but we're not talking about drivers. We're talking about BIOS/Firmware.

The only time you should even consider updating firmware or BIOS is if it A: Adds new functionality that you want or need to use, or B: It fixes a specific problem that you are experiencing.

For example ... updating your BIOS so your motherboard can support an AMD CPU while you are running an INTEL CPU is not a good reason to update your BIOS.

I'm not saying it's never a good idea to update BIOS or Firmware ... just please do some research beforehand. Sometimes you'll also see a disclaimer that says something to the effect of, "Once you do this BIOS/Firmware update, you cannot go back to an older revision.". And what happens if the BIOS/Firmware makes things worse and you can't go back?

I have a Samsung TV that's pretty much garbage now because I updated the firmware and it changed the internal image settings and I can't revert back to a previous firmware version to when it actually looked good. The notes for the firmware update said nothing about it changing how 'white' the base white reference was, it just said it enabled the USB port to utilize a USB LAN stick.

Just be careful when messing with anything EPROM related. And if you don't know what EPROM means ... you shouldn't be messing with it. ;)

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Re:Frustration, crashed and weird crap happening. 2013/02/22 16:59:57 (permalink)
Brilliant cheers Tracy.
And yes Bub, sure whatever you say.

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Re:Frustration, crashed and weird crap happening. 2013/02/22 17:09:42 (permalink)
I don't see anything stability related in TraceyStudio's list of problems. They're all bugs, or misunderstandings, that have been reported by others.

I really don't see any reason to go mucking around inside the computer and maybe screw something up.
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Re:Frustration, crashed and weird crap happening. 2013/02/22 17:37:56 (permalink)
Thanks for your expert opinion Paul. Yup maybe doing nothing would be easier but 9 times out of 10 "random crashes" is down to drivers, firmware or scandisk needing to be made stable, most often an update will do that. Or even a corrupted project. My X2A  has only crashed twice, no I'm not lucky.
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Re:Frustration, crashed and weird crap happening. 2013/02/22 18:21:34 (permalink)
I would think twice maybe more before doing anything to how Windows goes about doing things. Unless its a known tweak for the OS in question I would not do anything that was meant for a much older OS. 



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Re:Frustration, crashed and weird crap happening. 2013/02/22 18:32:44 (permalink)
If we are talking about the swapfile then agreed. Leave performance enhancements alone until you are stable.

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Re:Frustration, crashed and weird crap happening. 2013/02/22 18:40:32 (permalink)
 IMO Bub is correct on that. Bad advice to just blindly start flashing cmos without careful investigation and a good backup if the flash fails. There is certainly an element of risk there.

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