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Re: Garritan Personal Orchestra 5
2016/04/04 14:27:12
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Right. I went to download it last night and thought "I suppose this is the latest". I will find out, when I install this afternoon. Michael
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Re: Garritan Personal Orchestra 5
2016/04/04 19:52:52
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Mack While it is admirable for MakeMusic to get out an update quickly, they as a company are not good at informing their customers what is going on. They should be sending emails out to all registered customers informing them of the update (with instructions of how to update.). A big alert should be posted on their forum page. Yes, they do have a blog, Facebook and Twitter page, but they don't appear to carry the same information. I don't look forward to having to download and install the whole program again.
They are terrible at this.
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Re: Garritan Personal Orchestra 5
2016/04/05 19:13:15
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Re: Garritan Personal Orchestra 5
2016/04/07 11:46:12
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It seemed appropriate for me to eat a little humble pie. I have made some mistakes in my recent posts about the GPO5.01 update released on the 1st of April. Mea culpa. My sincere apologies to one and all, including MM, Gary and his employees and contractors. After considerable extra hunting around the sfz files, I have discovered a lot more about what has been done in the upgrade. Several of the sfz files have been renamed with a 'b' suffix, but in many cases the older files are still present. So I became confused. Closer attention to detail on my behalf was definitely required. Excuse = I'm fairly new to this. Response = then you shouldn't shoot your mouth off, you idiot! As far as I can see, the 'stereo stage' controls have been inserted into the sfz files for the SAM brass instruments. So if you are sending cc#103 on or off messages, or cc#36 depth messages, they will be responded to, it appears. At least, the code is there now within the newly written files. However, what fooled me (yea, I know, it doesn't take much!), is that the corresponding xml files, which govern the appearance of the controls within the ARIA user interface are not present. So, although ARIA will respond to the MIDI controllers (it appears), one is unable at this time to affect control from within the ARIA window. My altered GUI would achieve that. So I must set to and complete that. I am still of the opinion that no changes were made to the samples, and various exchanges of PMs would appear to confirm that. So ... If you would like to do the upgrade without re-downloading the whole four and a half gigabytes then, providing that you have the original zip file OR the unzipped files within a separate library (NO, not the installed samples) I can provide you with the "WIN_Garritan_Personal_Orchestra_5.01.exe" file that does the upgrade for Windows. The file is about 44 megabytes in size. Sorry I don't have the file for Mac. Running this file will do the ARIA upgrade and various other bits and pieces PLUS insert the new xml and sfz files BUT it will also reinstall all the samples from the original sample set, a long winded process. It will, at least, save you the download time of the 'complete' library. The file needs to be unzipped and placed alongside (NOT within) the SamplesData folder/directory usually found within a folder named "Garritan_Personal_Orchestra_5" but NOT the one within the Program Files folder/directory. It replaces the original GPO5 dot exe file. If you're unclear please PM me. If you want the file please PM me. Sadly, if you don't have the original GPO5 SamplesData directory, then you'll have to download it all again. So sorry. Again, my apologies to all if I misled you. Regards, John. Please note: E&OE. You do the upgrade at your own risk. I am NOT responsible for any upgrades that you may do as a result of this post.
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Re: Garritan Personal Orchestra 5
2016/04/07 13:00:44
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SysExJohn, Thanks for the update information, and don't be too hard on yourself. Your efforts are appreciated! I think I might wait a while to update GPO5. Perhaps they will continue to make some more improvements? I sure hope they can figure out a way for us to update without having to redownload the whole program.
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Re: Garritan Personal Orchestra 5
2016/04/08 04:10:34
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For anyone interested, the ARIA 1.872 player is now available via the MM/Garritan support web site. Enjoy!
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Re: Garritan Personal Orchestra 5
2016/04/08 11:03:34
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What the heck, I'm going to redownload the whole shevardnadze.
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Re: Garritan Personal Orchestra 5
2016/04/08 12:24:32
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Fleer, This morning I decided to rewrite the xml files for the SAM brass. They're now completed. I'm just about to post a screen shot over there. It affects just three files "brass.xml", "brass_legato.xml" and a new one called "toggle_mute_new.xml" replacing "toggle_mute.xml". This moves the MUTE on/off control over to the instrument controls section, and inserts the Stereo Stage back where it should be under the equalizer. I think you've seen my contribution over on the NS forum? The trouble is I don't know whether my files will work on the Mac. Can you look within the GUI folder, if you have one, and see whether you can find these three files, or elsewhere if not, within GPO5? I don't even know whether the Mac uses xml. I suppose it does? Regards, John.
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Re: Garritan Personal Orchestra 5
2016/04/08 19:10:36
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Will do, but it'll have to wait till Sunday, John, have to go to a funeral tomorrow.
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Re: Garritan Personal Orchestra 5
2016/04/09 04:15:34
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Sorry to hear that, Fleer. My sincere condolences. Anything to do with recent events? Of course I can wait, good of you to participate. Kind regards, John.
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Re: Garritan Personal Orchestra 5
2016/04/09 13:15:21
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Howdy GPO5 owners. This morning I spent some time creating what I feel would be an ideal ARIA controls layout. Stereo Stage returned to its previous position for all instruments, but nudged slightly to the left making a little more room for ... three rows of five instrument controls. This would allow a complete new line of ADSR controls, plus Tone control at the top and ... the restoration of the controls that used to be available in GPO4, arranged in another row plus ... The Mute button and new Offset control, with the ModWheel positioned on the far right. It's true that with five to a line they're a little closer together, but too close? Do we need to restore Var1 and Var2, etc.? Now this is just the xml for the GUI, not the completed sfz code to make all instruments work like this. That will take a little longer ... actually more than a little longer, but I'd do it for one group of instruments at a time. Feedback welcomed.
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Re: Garritan Personal Orchestra 5
2016/04/09 14:38:52
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SysExJohn, Is it possible to make the Aria Player scaleable? Some of us older users find it a bit hard to read. It would be great if we could make it larger. Just a thought.
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Re: Garritan Personal Orchestra 5
2016/04/09 18:39:32
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The design looks fine to me, John. One thing I noticed with this new Aria, specifically the new way to navigate to an instrument: Sometimes when I have used the new drop-down list, I somehow get the instrument I've chosen on all the open slots! So I've gone back to the old way. Has anyone else had this happen? Is it a bug?
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Re: Garritan Personal Orchestra 5
2016/04/09 21:27:11
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SysExJohn Sorry to hear that, Fleer. My sincere condolences. Anything to do with recent events?
No, a father of a good friend. Natural causes at almost ninety. Thanks for asking. Will look into the xml stuff tomorrow.
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Re: Garritan Personal Orchestra 5
2016/04/10 05:00:46
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joel77 Is it possible to make the Aria Player scaleable? Some of us older users find it a bit hard to read. It would be great if we could make it larger. Just a thought. And not a bad thought either, Joel. I'm one of those older (though not yet aged) users too! (The big seven zero is just three months away.) But not by me, I'm afraid. It was one of my concerns, shuffling things closer together, that the interface might become too crowded. I would need access to areas of code privy only to Plogue, the authors of ARIA. Regards, John.
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Re: Garritan Personal Orchestra 5
2016/04/10 05:06:10
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michael diemer The design looks fine to me, John. One thing I noticed with this new Aria, specifically the new way to navigate to an instrument: Sometimes when I have used the new drop-down list, I somehow get the instrument I've chosen on all the open slots! So I've gone back to the old way. Has anyone else had this happen? Is it a bug?
Thanks for the feedback, Michael. No, I can't say that I've ever had that problem. Whether I use drag and drop or double click it seems, so far, to perform okay. It sounds like you have a unique bug. I must say, looking at the sfz code, the next part looks a lot more daunting, in areas with which I am much less familiar. But, nothing ventured ... Regards, John.
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Re: Garritan Personal Orchestra 5
2016/04/10 05:09:29
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Fleer No, a father of a good friend. Natural causes at almost ninety. Thanks for asking. Will look into the xml stuff tomorrow. Pleased to hear it's not in the light of past occurrences. I look forward to hearing from you.
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Re: Garritan Personal Orchestra 5
2016/04/10 14:05:30
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Cheers, John. The three files "brass.xml", "brass_legato.xml" and "toggle_mute.xml" are indeed in the GUI folder (under Library > Application Support > Garritan > Garritan Personal Orchestra 5 > GUI).
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Re: Garritan Personal Orchestra 5
2016/04/11 04:36:00
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Excellent, Fleer, a good start. And do you have a 'Banks' library at the same level as 'GUI' and within that a library called 'Standard' and another called 'Notation' (if you installed the notation)? As well as those, also at the same level as 'GUI' do you have another called 'Instruments'? If so, then I suspect the structure and the way of controlling ARIA is the same, but I'll have to check the detail. Yesterday (Sunday) I began to deconstruct some of the sfz files to understand exactly how some parts work. It's nowhere near as straightforward as the xml, but I'll persevere. There are some parts that don't appear to follow the information set out in the sfz documentation I have. (Principally, chapter 13 and appendix of Simon Cann's book "Cakewalk Synthesizers 2nd edition.) Regards, John.
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Re: Garritan Personal Orchestra 5
2016/04/11 10:56:23
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SysExJohn Excellent, Fleer, a good start. And do you have a 'Banks' library at the same level as 'GUI' and within that a library called 'Standard' and another called 'Notation' (if you installed the notation)? As well as those, also at the same level as 'GUI' do you have another called 'Instruments'?
Exactly as you described, John, all there.
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Re: Garritan Personal Orchestra 5
2016/04/13 04:38:30
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Sorry Fleer, Deep in sfz code. Steam rising from top of head! If you would, I'll request you to send me the three files from you GUI. brass.xml, brass_legato.xml and toggle_mute.xml to have a look at? I'll drop you my E-Mail address. Regards, John.
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Re: Garritan Personal Orchestra 5
2016/04/13 22:31:53
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Re: Garritan Personal Orchestra 5
2016/04/14 14:05:26
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Hi Fleer, I've PM'ed you! Regards, John.
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Re: Garritan Personal Orchestra 5
2016/04/14 21:50:59
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Cheers, will send you the files tomorrow.
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Re: Garritan Personal Orchestra 5
2016/04/18 04:21:42
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Thanks Fleer, At first read through it seems that the files are identical. I kinda hoped that they would be. I'm expecting the same holds true for the sfz files too. Regards, John.
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Re: Garritan Personal Orchestra 5
2016/04/30 04:20:16
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Just thought I'd post a quick update. All of the SAM brass has now been 'Stereo Staged'. Work is well in progress with all the new GOS library, with the stereo stage inserted into the sfz files. XML next. The new Choir is in a similar state to GOS. I became briefly sidetracked when I realised that the new 'Custom Organ' didn't have a stereo stage. There was a minor problem there in that cc36 was being used for the left most 'organ stop' to adjust the level. So I had to move them all up by one (missing cc38 for some reason) to release the depth control. Here's the resultant controls GUI. I had to move the Instrument Controls up a little. It's a little crammed on the right hand side, but I think it works. I'd be interested in comments. Regards, John.
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Re: Garritan Personal Orchestra 5
2016/04/30 06:29:15
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Looks quite balanced, John, not crammed.
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Re: Garritan Personal Orchestra 5
2016/05/01 05:04:45
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Thanks for the feedback, Fleer. (Quietly I'm quite pleased with the new interface.) This morning I decided to start investigating installation programs. MakeMSI from David Barnes, at first glance, looks like a great free program. If I can create an installation program using MakeMSI that makes a backup of the original xml and sfz files, and that also sets up a 'revert' program to be invoked if needed, I think that will smooth most people's path into using the updates. Only problem is that I'll have to learn yet another language. Oh well. Regards, John.
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Re: Garritan Personal Orchestra 5
2016/05/01 12:25:51
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Those guys from MakeMusic and Garritan should pay homage!
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Re: Garritan Personal Orchestra 5
2016/05/07 08:19:37
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I'm running Windows 10 and have found the standalone version of the latest Aria Player does not open. GPO 5 works okay in Sonar. Any thoughts?
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