Freddie H
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Get all Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins too!
Get all Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins instead of need to use them thru Pro Channel would be nice.
It ‘stupid that I need to use the PRO Channel GUI to use the modules them. We should have both ways.
I know for a fact that all modules are just normal 2.4 VST plugins.
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pwal
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Re:Get all Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins too!
2012/10/11 14:27:40
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i believe they are normal extended 2.4 VST plugins
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munmun
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Re:Get all Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins too!
2012/10/11 16:02:44
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Where do I access these extended plugins? I particularly want the consoles and tube saturator. Yet they don't appear in my list of scanned plugins.
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Re:Get all Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins too!
2012/10/11 16:25:04
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munmun
Where do I access these extended plugins? I particularly want the consoles and tube saturator. Yet they don't appear in my list of scanned plugins.
you misconstrued the post.. pro channel modules are pro channel modules, not vst plugins.
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Re:Get all Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins too!
2012/10/11 16:26:45
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But the manual says that the console emulator can indeed be had as a standalone plugin.
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Re:Get all Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins too!
2012/10/11 23:38:05
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I am personally not impressed with the tube saturator (unless trying to fix a poor bass guitar track) or the console emulator. Sounds like digital distortion/fuzz/ garbage to me. Though I have yet to find a emulator of any kind really that doesn't do that... They all kinda fall short.
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Re:Get all Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins too!
2012/10/11 23:54:20
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Tube saturation, isn't the idea to add distortion to a clean digital source, to make it sound more analog, to emulate a tube's imperfections, perhaps "warm up" a digital sound source ?
Just back the knob off. It only works when it's subtle.
munmun . . . I may be wrong, but I think the console emulator is the only prochannel "stand alone" plugin.
Freddy would like all the prochannel modules to be stand alone VST. Since it hasn't happened yet, it might not.
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Re:Get all Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins too!
2012/10/12 00:23:17
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Breverb also comes as a normal VST plugin because that's the way Overloud chose to include it. But I don't think any of the other PC plugins do. But what you can do with those not delivered with SONAR (LA2A, Concrete Limiter, etc) is add more than one instance.
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Re:Get all Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins too!
2012/10/12 02:06:56
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ChuckC
I am personally not impressed with the tube saturator (unless trying to fix a poor bass guitar track) or the console emulator. Sounds like digital distortion/fuzz/ garbage to me. Though I have yet to find a emulator of any kind really that doesn't do that... They all kinda fall short.
That's the one module that I'm not overly impressed with either. The Softube "Big knob" or whatever it's called is however superb.
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Re:Get all Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins too!
2012/10/12 02:20:16
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ChuckC
I am personally not impressed with the tube saturator (unless trying to fix a poor bass guitar track) or the console emulator. Sounds like digital distortion/fuzz/ garbage to me. Though I have yet to find a emulator of any kind really that doesn't do that... They all kinda fall short.
That's the one module that I'm not overly impressed with either. The Softube "Big knob" or whatever it's called is however superb.
Just goes to show how subjective these things are, because to me, the big Softube knob sounds like poop. The only tube emulation that ships with Sonar and sounds any good to me is the tube in the EQ strip of the VX64 Vocal Strip.
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Re:Get all Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins too!
2012/10/12 02:30:52
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funny how we all have our own perspectives on these things,i myself love console emulation,its very suttle,so suttle you dont eve know its on unless you compare a mix with/without it.
im defintly not hearing distortion/fuzz though.
i hear warmth and almost an analog presence.
but like i said,we all need a head check,we have 5 different stories going on here.
i dont think its the plug ins thats gearing the op all up in arms.its the fact the pc effects are not actual vsts that show up in the plugin manager.
now im only guessing but i beleive cakewalk has an upperhand when it comes to these effects.
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Re:Get all Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins too!
2012/10/12 02:48:06
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The tube emulator I find to be quite good, although it takes a lot of tweaking and experimentation to find the ideal level. The saturation knob I only find useful with the dial at 9 o'clock or less, especially on drums.
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sharke
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Re:Get all Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins too!
2012/10/12 02:49:36
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chuckebaby
im defintly not hearing distortion/fuzz though.
i hear warmth and almost an analog presence.
I find that if the source is already a little distorted, it tends to exaggerate that distortion.
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GlennP 
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Re:Get all Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins too!
2012/10/12 02:49:55
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Maybe I’m too cynical but… if you could use Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins, then you could use then in any DAW that complied with VST standards.
I thought the concept of Pro CHANNELS modules (at least in part) is a cleaver-marketing strategy to keep us locked in to cake’s X2,X3,X4…………
But as I said, Maybe I’m too cynical
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Re:Get all Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins too!
2012/10/12 02:52:52
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GlennP
Maybe I’m too cynical but… if you could use Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins, then you could use then in any DAW that complied with VST standards.
I thought the concept of Pro CHANNELS modules (at least in part) is a cleaver-marketing strategy to keep us locked in to cake’s X2,X3,X4…………
But as I said, Maybe I’m too cynical
It does do that which is obviously an issue for some but the PC's biggest advantage by far is that the UI automatically follows track selection. No longer do I have to put up with tens (hundreds?) of VST GUIs cluttering up my workspace, and never able to find the one I actually want to use. YMMV of course.
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Re:Get all Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins too!
2012/10/12 03:05:28
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FastBikerBoy
It does do that which is obviously an issue for some but the PC's biggest advantage by far is that the UI automatically follows track selection. No longer do I have to put up with tens (hundreds?) of VST GUIs cluttering up my workspace, and never able to find the one I actually want to use.
Yes! I totally agree FBB, personally I think PC is awesome, my only regret is I can’t place some of my other favourite plugs in to it like sonitus fx suite so I could do away with the FX bin altogether. I was just saying "market strategies" and all
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Re:Get all Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins too!
2012/10/12 03:28:11
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If you have X2 you can now place any VST into the PC. Just drag it into it and it'll get placed in as an FX chain, albeit with just the one VST. You can then either open the VST interface or assign some of the controls to the FX chain GUI knobs/buttons.
The FX bin has effectively been made redundant.
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Re:Get all Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins too!
2012/10/12 03:43:20
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"The FX bin has effectively been made redundant. " aye its getting that way !!!!
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Freddie H
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Re:Get all Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins too!
2012/10/12 04:07:58
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Chregg
"The FX bin has effectively been made redundant. " aye its getting that way !!!!
There are still problems using the new Pro Channel insert called "ProChannel FX Chains". ACT or any hardware controlsurface doesn't work with any plugins inserted in the new "ProChannel FX Chains"? A real bummer if you ask me. 
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Freddie H
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Re:Get all Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins too!
2012/10/12 04:11:09
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ACT or any hardware controlsurface doesn't work with new "ProChannel FX Chains"? There are still problems using the new Pro Channel insert called "ProChannel FX Chains". ACT or any hardware controlsurface doesn't work with any plugins inserted in the new "ProChannel FX Chains"? A real bummer if you ask me. Please add that feature ASAP, thank you. Cakewalk Feature Request Thank-you Freddie H for submitting your feature request.
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Re:Get all Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins too!
2012/10/12 17:41:36
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As I understand it, ProChannel plugs ARE VSTs but with some proprietary changes.
I would love to be able to use the Concrete Limiter on my laptop 8.5.
With a little thought, the ProChannel plugs could have been so much more compact. Like hiding the knobs, for example.
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Re:Get all Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins too!
2012/10/12 18:18:43
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GlennP
Maybe I’m too cynical but… if you could use Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins, then you could use then in any DAW that complied with VST standards.
I thought the concept of Pro CHANNELS modules (at least in part) is a cleaver-marketing strategy to keep us locked in to cake’s X2,X3,X4…………
But as I said, Maybe I’m too cynical
It does do that which is obviously an issue for some but the PC's biggest advantage by far is that the UI automatically follows track selection. No longer do I have to put up with tens (hundreds?) of VST GUIs cluttering up my workspace, and never able to find the one I actually want to use.
YMMV of course.
Karl, this aspect of it alone to me is an absolute godsend. I spend a lot of time comparing different EQ plots, say on Toms or Rhythm guitars. It's just so easy to open up the relevant PC channels in Console View and thy're all there. Ctrl + Click to close them all again.
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Re:Get all Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins too!
2012/10/12 18:36:41
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Sometime ago I had seen where Panup had pulled off running one of the PC plugs, maybe the PC2A? I forget, as a regular VST by hacking around with some registry settings fwiw. You might be able to read about it on his forum, www.sonarmods.com me thinks.
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Re:Get all Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins too!
2012/10/12 19:01:54
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subjective because:
I find the soft tube saturation knob on the ProChannel to be absolutely useless. Infact, I dislike that Sot Tube Knob so much, that its made me less than interested in purchasing anything soft tube.. Not, "disinterested," but not chomping at the bit for their plugins. Couple that with iLok..
However.. I really like the Cakewalk Saturation Knob. I think it sounds fantastic. Its got, "kick."
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Re:Get all Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins too!
2012/10/12 19:10:59
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Being able to add FX to the Pro Channel is nice, but it really falls short in that you can't see what effects you have on your tracks/buses. When they are in the FX Bin you can get an overall idea of what's on your tracks and get a rough idea of what load is being placed on your system. For example ... this project has roughly 50 FX in it ...  I've been forcing myself to use FX Chains only because I can see them phasing out the FX Bin, which I vehemently appose, but there's nothing I can do about it. 'Right click and select View Image for full screen picture'
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Re:Get all Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins too!
2012/10/12 19:30:00
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Bub
I've been forcing myself to use FX Chains only because I can see them phasing out the FX Bin, which I vehemently appose, but there's nothing I can do about it.
That's exactly the kind of foresight successful trading takes.
Disclaimer: That is not advice!
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Re:Get all Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins too!
2012/10/12 20:06:52
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I can see them phasing out the FX Bin, which I vehemently appose, but there's nothing I can do about it. That could be the last straw for me. The PChannel really doesn't interest me much. Mostly because of the EQ GUI. That, and scrolling it is so cumbersome.
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munmun
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Re:Get all Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins too!
2012/10/12 20:09:00
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I don't get the issue. You can use any third party software in the fx chains within the strip. Just like the effects bin.
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Re:Get all Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins too!
2012/10/12 21:26:09
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GlennP
Maybe I’m too cynical but… if you could use Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins, then you could use then in any DAW that complied with VST standards.
I thought the concept of Pro CHANNELS modules (at least in part) is a cleaver-marketing strategy to keep us locked in to cake’s X2,X3,X4…………
But as I said, Maybe I’m too cynical
Well, BREVERB SONAR is a VST that is loaded in the Fx Bin but it cannot be used in any other DAW (including, get this, X1).
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Re:Get all Pro CHANNELS modules as normal VST plugins too!
2012/10/12 21:48:13
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munmun
I don't get the issue. You can use any third party software in the fx chains within the strip. Just like the effects bin.
Well ... I pointed out a big problem, and posted a screenshot. Here's a link to the post. 
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