stratman70
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Re: Getting Desperate!!!
2018/10/23 17:47:48
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Good idea PWAL
I remember installing something I wanted and it installed a mcafee web advisor add on to Chrome. Screwed up downloads and web pages, even fractal audio website was flagged and unreachable for me. That was a bout a week ago. I went into chrome settings and removed it.
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Johnbee58
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Re: Getting Desperate!!!
2018/10/23 20:19:09
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My AV/Security is Webroot, which I fully disable for this download. I'm not aware of anything else HP has put on it at the factory. It hasn't flashed anything yet. I did the all the Windows Updates last night. No joy. I know it's not the app. It's either something on my PC or my internet connection, but that being said, I have successfully downloaded and installed several programs on the new PC including Arturia's DX7 V synth with no trouble at all. And my internet connection (Comcast) has never stopped me from downloading everything I need to the Win 8 music PC. I was wondering if I could just install my paid for version of Sonar X3 Studio. I still have the install files.  John B
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Re: Getting Desperate!!!
2018/10/23 20:28:08
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Hmm, maybe you should try downloading with Firefox?
Also, I remember that I went into Internet Explorer and changed my internet security settings to a lighter level. That may have been what did it for me. Then again, it might have been something esle.
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Re: Getting Desperate!!!
2018/10/23 21:29:49
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You might want to try disabling UAC.. I have mine set one click below the W10 standard.
Make sures Bandlab is allowed both back and forth throgh your Firewall(s). If you use multiple Firewalls get rid of all but one. Make sures Bandlab is allowed through it.
Also when trying to install minimise everything to see if there are any hidden error messages/windows. If so what ?
Create a new user account - did that work ? Your old account may be corrupt.
Sorry if this is all repetition, i am late to the party.
Good hunting,
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stratman70
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Re: Getting Desperate!!!
2018/10/23 23:51:47
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John
HP puts all all kinds of bloatware on their PC's and laptops. A connection manager is one, for instance. Maybe google how to remove HP bloatware. I got a zillion hits just now when I did that.
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Re: Getting Desperate!!!
2018/10/24 05:10:21
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I will agree that the best thing you can do to any HP computer is a fresh install of a OS that was NOT supplied by HP.
I got mine running smoothly only after I bought a new SSD. I then downloaded W10 from MS web site and then using the Chat feature they used my W7 serial number to activate. This was over a year ago when it was still free.
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Johnbee58
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Re: Getting Desperate!!!
2018/10/24 09:24:48
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I don't know. I appreciate your suggestions. I really do. But this seems like a ridiculous amount of unnessesary hassles and blood splitting JUST TO DL AND INSTALL A PROGRAM!!! I'm not blaming Bandlab either. I know it's not their fault. The loudest message I'm getting here is to avoid HP computers like the plague. Thanks! JB
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Johnbee58
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Re: Getting Desperate!!!
2018/10/24 09:27:59
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Oh! I did look in my Programs & Features in Control Panel and saw a program called Bytefence Anti Malware listed, but I can't find the program anywhere in the program list. I'd like to try to disable it before I uninstall it. JB
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Re: Getting Desperate!!!
2018/10/24 12:48:29
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Johnbee58
I don't know. I appreciate your suggestions. I really do. But this seems like a ridiculous amount of unnessesary hassles and blood splitting JUST TO DL AND INSTALL A PROGRAM!!!
I'm not blaming Bandlab either. I know it's not their fault. The loudest message I'm getting here is to avoid HP computers like the plague.
Thanks!
JB
I don't think anyone has said that. When you buy a laptop from any manufacturer, I would recommend gathering all of the drivers from the manufacturer support site, creating a Windows install disk (you may even be able to put everything on a thumb drive), then reformatting the thing to bare metal and installing only what you want. I've done it on every one I've ever bought and it has always been worth it. Regards, Dan
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Re: Getting Desperate!!!
2018/10/24 13:40:10
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Or you can download and run The Decrapifier, which is a program that will help you ferret out the crapware that OEM computer manufacturers load up their systems with, especially notebooks. I am not making this up. https://www.pcdecrapifier.com/
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Re: Getting Desperate!!!
2018/10/24 14:06:41
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Few things to try. Reset your ipstack and reboot. See https://kb.wisc.edu/page.php?id=31480 Remove from registry, if it exists, Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Cakewalk Music Software\Cakewalk\Core If there is anything in Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Volatile Environment related to Bandlab/Cakewalk, delete it. Run https://www.malwarebytes.com/antirootkit/and https://www.trendmicro.com/en_us/forHome/products/housecall.htmlbut don't let them scan at the same time. If the former shows something, run it again after reboot. Remove or disable all extensions Internet Explorer and perhaps Edge. Chrome has nothing to do with this, but many programs that fetch files, are using Internet Explorer for that task. Don't install 2 or more resident anti-virus programs at same time, it's a total disaster. As far as I can see, Bytefence Anti Malware is a relatively poor product. https://www.2-spyware.com/remove-bytefence-redirect.html Most anti-virus products advertised on the web, are worse than Windows Defender, unless it is a reputable product, which aren't that many. Another problem could be that it is a company computer where domain admins have given you a limited access or are using arcane policies in windows.
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Re: Getting Desperate!!!
2018/10/24 16:04:08
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Could specific IP (i.e. BandLab servers) be blocked in your firewall? Try temporarily disabling the Windows Firewall (just for a test)
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michael diemer
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Re: Getting Desperate!!!
2018/10/24 16:36:19
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Holy Moly. Maybe you better just return the damn thing, if possible. That's what I would do at this point. Then ask around here for advice on what laptop to buy. Although I do agree that reinstalling the OS is a good idea. you will get rid of all the crapware and that can only help. You should have the Windows 10 license sticker on the laptop, assuming they still do that with Win 10. You can as stated download W10 free of charge and auyhorize it with the license you already paid for. If that doesn't do it, and you can't return it, give it to your wife or kid for Christmas. And get yourself something that will work.
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trusso11783
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Re: Getting Desperate!!!
2018/10/24 16:52:05
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I just downloaded it all last night. There were 5 downloads. It sat at 1/5 for a few minutes but it all went through over the next few minutes. Check your internet speed. Maybe your antivirus or firewall is blocking something. It isnt an issue with their site.
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stratman70
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Re: Getting Desperate!!!
2018/10/24 16:56:27
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John-ditch Bytefence and try and download again...Bytefence is garbage......
Look it up on the web. You can always download the free version again if you must have it. I imagine all you have is the free version.
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Re: Getting Desperate!!!
2018/10/24 17:11:17
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Johnbee58
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Re: Getting Desperate!!!
2018/10/24 18:13:13
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stratman70
John-ditch Bytefence and try and download again...Bytefence is garbage......
Look it up on the web. You can always download the free version again if you must have it. I imagine all you have is the free version.
Don't even know how the hell it got there. Oh, BTW, the PC in question isn't a laptop. It's a desktop. JB
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Re: Getting Desperate!!!
2018/10/24 18:20:48
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Is it hardwired or using WiFi?
R
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Johnbee58
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Re: Getting Desperate!!!
2018/10/24 19:02:12
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Is it hardwired or using WiFi?
R
WIFI-Comcast. SUCCESS!!!! Finally got it!! I went into the Programs and removed Bytefence, then grabbed a fresh install of Bandlab Assistant, then all I had to do was WAIT. I told myself that I don't care if I have to keep the damned thing running until next Wednesday. I'm not doing ANYTHING else with it until this mystery was solved. Well, about 10 minutes after I started the download (and it kept flashing "Downloading 0/2) it flashed "Install Bandlab Assistant?" I clicked OK and now it's all set. I got the idea from the recent post where the guy said he just let it go for awhile and it eventually happened for him. Thanks to all for your ideas and suggestions! JB
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Cactus Music
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Re: Getting Desperate!!!
2018/10/24 19:20:17
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So glad you got it to work.
And just add, nothing wrong with HP, my second DAW is an off the self HP. But it has been wiped of the original OS and bloat ware, otherwise I don't think I would use it. My main DAW I built myself and is still on W8. The HP is actually running smoother and faster.
For a music computer to run without issues you are always best to have a nice clean install of the OS on a nice fast Hard drive.
You then only add what you need for music production.
It's become harder to achieve with W10 now being bloat ware by default.
Hardware vendors seem to think we want all that useless stuff and off the self computers need a lot more attention to get them clean. I myself don't like the idea of going in and deleting this and disabling that.... much faster and simpler to just start clean and keep it that way. I get a lot of years out of these builds and crossing my fingers that these new fangled SSD drives will outlast the old style spinners.
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Johnbee58
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Re: Getting Desperate!!!
2018/10/24 19:37:39
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So glad you got it to work.
And just add, nothing wrong with HP, my second DAW is an off the self HP. But it has been wiped of the original OS and bloat ware, otherwise I don't think I would use it. My main DAW I built myself and is still on W8. The HP is actually running smoother and faster.
For a music computer to run without issues you are always best to have a nice clean install of the OS on a nice fast Hard drive.
You then only add what you need for music production.
It's become harder to achieve with W10 now being bloat ware by default.
Hardware vendors seem to think we want all that useless stuff and off the self computers need a lot more attention to get them clean. I myself don't like the idea of going in and deleting this and disabling that.... much faster and simpler to just start clean and keep it that way. I get a lot of years out of these builds and crossing my fingers that these new fangled SSD drives will outlast the old style spinners.
Maybe the best thing to do, if one can, is to go to a computer pro shop and have one custom built. I don't know if this can be done anymore or if there are any of these shops left. I had one custom built about 15 years ago. All I had to do was buy my own OS, which at the time was Windows Me. JB
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Cactus Music
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Re: Getting Desperate!!!
2018/10/24 19:52:38
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No real need to do this if the HP has good specs. All I'm saying is if it does ( have good specs) then the only money you need to spend is on a new SSD "C" drive and a new copy of W10. A computer is a computer. HP uses "OK" parts of course you can get better, but generally they sort that out and the boxes run for a long time without issues.
I built my last DAW from scratch and it cost me almost $800 using good quality stuff. But then I have had issues with the BIOS since day one. That is over my head. When I was given the W7 HP desktop I didn't even use it for a long time, one day my main DAW was crashing and I just gave up and tried to load everything into the HP, it was sooooo slow to boot so I ordered a SSD drive. I then found I had to buy the OS disk from HP. So I loaded up my cracked version of W7 and then upgraded to W10 for free using the Accessibility trick. They let me use the original serial number on the side sticker. It's been the best music computer ever and I even keep it on line, something that was against my rules.
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Re: Getting Desperate!!!
2018/10/24 19:56:13
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Johnbee58
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John-ditch Bytefence and try and download again...Bytefence is garbage......
Look it up on the web. You can always download the free version again if you must have it. I imagine all you have is the free version.
Don't even know how the hell it got there. Oh, BTW, the PC in question isn't a laptop. It's a desktop.
JB
John, according to this https://www.pcrisk.com/removal-guides/9191-bytefence-redirect Bytefence gets installed usually by accident when installing something else.....on the sly if you like, one click too many without noticing what you've done. There's usually some clever wording involved to trick you into doing stuff like this.
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Re: Getting Desperate!!!
2018/10/24 21:00:50
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Bytefence had hooked into your ip stack. It's absolutely the reason the install didn't work.
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Johnbee58
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Re: Getting Desperate!!!
2018/10/24 21:24:36
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Bytefence had hooked into your ip stack. It's absolutely the reason the install didn't work.
Could very well be. I was wondering whether it was that or that I just waited longer than I previously did. 
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Re: Getting Desperate!!!
2018/10/24 21:34:22
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Hardware vendors seem to think we want all that useless stuff and off the self computers need a lot more attention to get them clean.
Believe it or not, the companies who make that crapware actually pay Dell and HP to shovel their stuff on to their computers. So those systems would cost more if it didn't ship with that stuff on it. The first such system that I encountered was my mother's Vista eMachine, otherwise a heckuva deal, and a computer that, by the way, is still in use over 10 years after she bought it, handed down to a friend of mine who is running Podium Free DAW among other things. But the thing came with so much shovelware, including a trial version of Microsoft Office that was the full Office Suite install, but not fully licensed. Every file association was in place, though, so whenever someone would send my mother a .DOC attachment to open, it would launch in Office and try to activate this Trial license. I finally uninstalled the thing and she bought a copy of Works, and then Open Office finally matured enough for her to be able to get her work done with it. I'm sure that Microsoft gave them a big discount on the Vista licenses in exchange for that spiff.
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michael diemer
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Re: Getting Desperate!!!
2018/10/24 21:50:56
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Great to hear it's working John! I think we were all scratching our heads. Now we all have learned something. The way a forum is supposed to work. Let's hope the new one will be as productive.
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Re: Getting Desperate!!!
2018/10/24 22:49:45
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I must say that I'm really relieved that it wasn't the shovelware that you guys are talking about. I was actually quite concerned about that because if you have to jump through that many hoops like taking programs off and even going into the system registry (no WAY I'm messing with that) just to download and install a program I seriously was considering not only ending my association with digital music making but computing in general. That would be the ultimate in ridiculous! You shouldn't have to do all of that just to run a damned program! Musically, it would've been back to the good ol' Fostex 4 track multitrack cassette and Yamaha Rx 17 drum machine for me. Computing should be getting easier, not harder! JB
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Re: Getting Desperate!!!
2018/10/25 03:45:11
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Johnbee58
I must say that I'm really relieved that it wasn't the shovelware that you guys are talking about. I was actually quite concerned about that because if you have to jump through that many hoops like taking programs off and even going into the system registry (no WAY I'm messing with that) just to download and install a program I seriously was considering not only ending my association with digital music making but computing in general. That would be the ultimate in ridiculous! You shouldn't have to do all of that just to run a damned program! Musically, it would've been back to the good ol' Fostex 4 track multitrack cassette and Yamaha Rx 17 drum machine for me. Computing should be getting easier, not harder!
JB
Which is why it makes a lot of sense to have a computer dedicated to music, whether you build it yourself, or have some outfit put together a "bare bones" rig. That's what I did. It came with W7 Pro, and nothing else. I've had to reinstall since then (of course, it's Windows), but it still is only for music. I do my web surfing on a Linux computer. I'm very careful what I allow on my music machine. It stays offline 90% of the time. I run MSE for AV, which is enough given how careful I am with it online. Even so, I had an experience similar to yours. But having a bare bones setup at least minimizes the things that can go wrong.
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Johnbee58
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Re: Getting Desperate!!!
2018/10/25 09:03:57
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Back about 17 years ago I went to a local computer shop close to where I lived at the time. I bought a case, motherboard, & processor (an AMD but I forget the type) and the tech installed the mobo and mounted the processor for me, so all I had to do was move the peripherals from my old PC to the new one. Then I needed an OS for it. I got on ebay and found a copy of Windows Me. It was meant to be a general PC but it was the one I started making digital music with. I had a Zoom MRS802 8 track digital recorder and eventually learned how to export the raw tracks from that machine to the PC on which I was running the free Kristal Audio Engine on, and did my mixes that way. Crude, but it was a part of the learning process. I still listen to those mixes now and then. Not bad. Not as good as I'm doing now, but not bad. I'll never forget the day my copy of Win Me arrived in the mail: September 11, 2001 JB
Lenovo Core i5 4460 Desktop PC (Windows 8 64 bit), Focusrite Scarlett 6i6, Nektar LX61 Keyboard MIDI Controller, Avantone Pro CV-12 tube condenser microphone, JBL LSR308 8" active monitor speakers. Cakewalk by Bandlab, Reason 7, NI Session Strings Pro, NI Strummed Acoustic Guitar, Miroslav Philharmonic, Auturia DX7 V, Garritan JABB 3, EZ Keys, EZ Drummer. "I will create music the way I want to whether a million people are listening or no one is listening." Dan Fogelberg, Singer/Songwriter-1951-2007
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