Dan DAmico
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC
2008/04/19 10:14:12
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WARNING TO OVERCLOCKERS!!! I found a real problem with this beta BIOS, at least on my system. I had been testing yesterday at stock clock settings, and everything seemed great. Well, this morning I decided to use my standard settings for a 3.0GHz (9x333) overclock with my Q6600. The vcore stays at 1.15v, no matter what I set it to in the BIOS. That is enough for my chip at stock speeds, but not for o/c. I tried with auto voltage and the same thing. I bumped up the voltage to 1.3375, but it stayed the same at 1.15. My VID is 1.3v. I tried with C1E both enabled and disabled, no change. I tried with Loadline Calibration disabled and enabled, no change. Is anyone else having this problem?
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC
2008/04/19 10:19:51
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ORIGINAL: Desperate Dan
I have PCI soundcards, and I've never used a firewire interface. Have you evr tried your interface on another system and achieved better results?
No, but these Units are supposedley the best Money can buy in their price range. I doubt the Fireface is faulty. I used to have an RMI 96/8 which was PCI Based and it definately performed better in certain ways, like saving while playing back and rendering while playing back which you cant really do with Firewire.
I would post a new topic asking users of the Fireface what results they are getting on their systems. More people would see it because I think only Gigabyte users are looking at this thread. It does seem like you should be able to get much better performance. It would be interesting to see if it is the motherboard or something else in the chain.
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC
2008/04/19 10:40:02
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ORIGINAL: vanceen
Yes, but that's still a big difference: 37 compared with 21. You said you got 22 with the 13B BIOS. Have you had a chance to confirm that?
Here are my results at stock speed, using the Sonar6/7 benchmark: WDM 64 samples = 41 multibands/ reopen 42 128 samples = 70 multibands/ reopen 70 256 samples = 87 multibands/ reopen 86 512 samples = 96 multibands/ reopen 96 ASIO 64 samples = 20 multibands/ reopen 20 128 samples = 47 multibands/ reopen 45 256 samples = 61 multibands/ reopen 61 512 samples = 74 multibands/ reopen 74
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Dan DAmico
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC
2008/04/19 17:33:27
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UPDATE FOR OVERCLOCKERS:
I flashed back to the previous BIOS just to make certain that my board's vcore settings were still functional, and everything is as it should be, albeit with the DPC latency spikes. I contacted Gigabyte to thank them for working on this, and tell them of the problem with the vCore settings. I feel certain that if they were willing to tackle something as obscure as DPC latency spiking, they will fix the vCore issue in the new BIOS, too. But it may help if anyone else seeing this problem contacts them about it, too.
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC
2008/04/19 20:41:57
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ORIGINAL: HighestOlive
So my questions becomes this, I know there are several of us who are using the GA-P35-DS3L, has any one with this board contacted gigabyte yet to complain about the DPC spiking issue? From my understanding of these latest posts in this thread gigabyte is now sending out board specific beta version fixes as they are contacted. So unless it is brought to their attention that the GA-P35-DS3L is also having these same issues with there be a fix made for this board.
If someone has to contact that how specific about the problem would we have to be. Would it be as simple as saying the GA-P35-DS3L is expiriecing DPC spiking issues the same as other boards?
Does any one have a copy of their email that the sent to gigabyte we could use as a template to send follow up emails for other boards?
I reported on the same board, rev. 2.0 is mine GA-P35-DS3L They gave me F8n bios and asked me to test with that. I updated to F8n and tested, still having spike around 500 and just aboce about every 5 bars, so same thing. I told them about the results and also sent them a link to this thread and I am awaiting a response again. Nice of Gigabyte to pursue our issues! They are making me feel that they may resolve all of our issues and I am definitely beginning to feel they are possibly a go to company, as I feel about Cakewalk.
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Dan DAmico
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC
2008/04/19 21:46:36
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ORIGINAL: Lanceindastudio
They gave me F8n bios and asked me to test with that.
Lance, Did you notice if your new beta BIOS held vCore settings when you changed them?
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC
2008/04/20 01:35:39
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The new bios on my DS3P changes Vcore settings just fine. However, I did notice that the Auto voltage sets the voltage about 0.1V higher than the old bios did (overclocking my Q6600 to 3.2GHz.)
-Clayton
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC
2008/04/20 09:27:39
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In the light of all the sporadic issues folks are encountering due to the beta BIOS patches, I'm just going to hold off for a bit, install my new MB (non-gigabyte), and keep my gigabyte around just for testing only.
-mr moon
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC
2008/04/20 10:41:34
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UPDATE: I had gone back to the last official BIOS release to make sure my vCore settings worked, and was overclocked to 3.0 with a vcore of 1.26v. I reflashed to the beta BIOS, and it held the 1.26v setting, so I am now overclocked at 3.0 with the new beta BIOS. It still won't respond to vcore settings, and just keeps it at whatever it was when I flashed it. However, I was able to run the Sonar 6/7 benchmarks at 3.0: ASIO: 64 samples = 31 multibands/ reopen 31 128 samples = 61 multibands/ reopen 62 256 samples = 80 multibands/ reopen 80 256 samples = 105 multibands/ reopen 103 WDM: 64 samples = 55 multibands/ reopen 55 128 samples = 90 multibands/ reopen 91 256 samples = 112 multibands/ reopen 112 512 samples - 123 multibands/ reopen 123 On my system, the ASIO performance is dramatically improved. But the WDM performance is essentially the same at low latencies, and slightly less at higher latencies than it was with the DPC spiking. It may just be variations in performance on my system on the different test dates, or it could be the changes in the beta BIOS affected the performance of the WDM drivers at the higher latencies. This is with Sonar 6.2.1 and my Delta soundcards and the second to latest drivers. I'd be curious to hear the results others are getting.
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC
2008/04/20 10:44:45
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ORIGINAL: mr. moon
In the light of all the sporadic issues folks are encountering due to the beta BIOS patches, I'm just going to hold off for a bit, install my new MB (non-gigabyte), and keep my gigabyte around just for testing only.
-mr moon
Mr. Moon, Have you tried the beta BIOS in your system? It would probably be helpful to Gigabyte if you reported your findings to them, so they can work out the bugs for an official release.
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC
2008/04/20 11:20:24
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ORIGINAL: Dan DAmico
Mr. Moon,
Have you tried the beta BIOS in your system? It would probably be helpful to Gigabyte if you reported your findings to them, so they can work out the bugs for an official release.
Hi Dan, I've decided that I'm not going to run *any* beta BIOS on my "production" DAW, as I have too many projects that I cannot loose or have anything "bad" happen to. I will probably install the Gigabyte board in one of my other non-primary-DAW quad rigs to mess around with, but that will not be until I get my new non-Gigabyte MB in my primary DAW, which will probably be later tonight. Sorry to be a party-pooper, but the thought of loosing data on my primary DAW is not something I'm OK with. I will keep an eye on this thread to see how it all pans out. I appreciate the sacrifice the "risk-takers" around here, you included, are making! EDIT: I'd like to think that if Gigabyte sees that at least one customer (me) has jumped ship from their MBs due to this issue, that others may do the same, so it is in their best interest to fix this issue ASAP. -mr moon
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Dan DAmico
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC
2008/04/20 11:46:32
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I understand, Mr. Moon. I am putting my faith in Gigabyte, since I gave up my opportunity to return the board for a refund. I have an Asus P5K Pro arriving tomorrow, which I may hold onto for a few days to see if Gigabyte fixes the beta BIOS. Luckily, the retailer I'm using, newegg, is understanding of my situation, and has agreed to allow me to return the Asus without a restocking fee as long as it's unopened.
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC
2008/04/20 12:46:02
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ORIGINAL: Dan DAmico
I understand, Mr. Moon. I am putting my faith in Gigabyte, since I gave up my opportunity to return the board for a refund. I have an Asus P5K Pro arriving tomorrow, which I may hold onto for a few days to see if Gigabyte fixes the beta BIOS. Luckily, the retailer I'm using, newegg, is understanding of my situation, has has agreed to allow me to return the Asus without a restocking fee as long as it's unopened.
Yup, Newegg rocks!! I have an ASUS P5K and P5K-SE, and they are both solid! If the Gigabyte doesn't work out, rest assured you'll have a great MB anyways! -mr moon
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC
2008/04/20 13:33:05
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that is interesting that WDM gets worse overall performance at higher audio latencies, with lower DPC latencies in the beta BIOS. How much worse? I think at higher DPC latencies, there will be less thrashing in the system, so that would give the system more breathing room to handle the larger buffer settings. makes some sense. Still, if is only slight, then I think I would prefer the lower DPC latencies and ability to handle really low audio latency when I want to.
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC
2008/04/20 13:46:10
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It's only slightly worse or essentially the same if you account for any performance differences in my machine on the two different test days. Or it could be the beta BIOS has had some effect on the WDM drivers, or the way they interact with the hardware. The change for the better in ASIO performance means a lot to me because I am syncing two Delta cards together via their drivers, which sync their clocks when used with ASIO drivers. I can use WDM drivers if I sync the clocks by linking the cards with a SPDIF cable.
Your results on your system may vary quite a bit from mine, so I'll be curious to see the results of others.
Remember that these are only beta BIOS, report your results to Gigabyte so they can come out with a solid official release.
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC
2008/04/20 15:34:01
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ORIGINAL: mr. moon
EDIT: I'd like to think that if Gigabyte sees that at least one customer (me) has jumped ship from their MBs due to this issue, that others may do the same, so it is in their best interest to fix this issue ASAP.
-mr moon
If I end up having to give up on the Gigabyte board and go with the Asus, that will be the second time in 5 years that I will have been in that circumstance. I had nothing but problems with an earlier Gigabyte board, and I ended up replacing it with an Asus A8V Deluxe that is still working perfectly. It will also be the last time I ever buy anything from Gigabyte.
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC
2008/04/20 16:29:12
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Guys I've been lurking on this thread for about a week and finally had a chance to test things for myself. I own the GA-P35-DS3L board and was also getting spikes, but none higher than about 700. After updating to the latest BIOS the spikes only got worse (this is not the beta BIOS mentioned upthread, I just want to be clear on that). So I rolled back the F3 and the spikes are totally gone. So I'm just going to do as others have said and hold off until there's a permanent fix.
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC
2008/04/20 16:34:30
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Really, I have the same board. Do you know what Bios version you had in the first place?
Thanks.
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC
2008/04/20 17:12:35
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ORIGINAL: emwhy
So I rolled back the F3 and the spikes are totally gone. So I'm just going to do as others have said and hold off until there's a permanent fix.
emwhy, If you have an official BIOS that is working for you, then you can just stick with that. But if are experiencing the DPC spiking and you'd like Gigabyte to develop a new BIOS to fix it, you shouldn't shy away from testing the beta BIOS. They are going to need some feedback as to what works and doesn't work in order to get enough information for an official release. I haven't had any instability, had any crashes, nor lost any data with the beta BIOS.
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC
2008/04/20 17:54:01
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I have a GA-P35-DS3L that had F6 and 500us spikes.
I just got brave enough to zap it back to F2 and all my spikes are gone!
Thank you all ever so much!
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC
2008/04/20 18:37:58
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Thanx Dan, I'll try the beta one when I have more time later this week. I have two heavy duty projects on my machine and can't afford to mess things up too much until their finalized on Wednesday.
Bitman, I'm running F3 and the spikes are gone as well.
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC
2008/04/21 12:56:36
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ORIGINAL: emwhy
Guys I've been lurking on this thread for about a week and finally had a chance to test things for myself. I own the GA-P35-DS3L board and was also getting spikes, but none higher than about 700. After updating to the latest BIOS the spikes only got worse (this is not the beta BIOS mentioned upthread, I just want to be clear on that). So I rolled back the F3 and the spikes are totally gone. So I'm just going to do as others have said and hold off until there's a permanent fix.
+1 Using GA-P35-DS3L Rev2.0 with BIOS f3 here with no issues: 
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC
2008/04/21 13:07:20
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I am on the beta driver for my P35-DS4 Rev 2.1 (13b).
I do not overclock.
I adjust RAM multiplier and RAM voltage.
I've only loaded 16 track audio prjects with 5-6 instances of effects and no soft synths.
Although I consider this to have have not pushed the system yet, all is fine so far.
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Dan DAmico
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC
2008/04/21 13:17:44
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Ed,
Are the DPC latency spikes gone on your system with the beta BIOS?
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC
2008/04/21 13:43:37
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC
2008/04/21 13:56:20
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Not sure if you guys are aware of this or not, but there is a gigabyte forum where a lot of gigabyte specific issues are discussed and perhaps even some Gigabyte support folks hang out on there from time to time. perhaps some of you would post your experiences with the old and beta Bios and see if this helps to pick up some momentum on the issue for Gigabyte to make the fix part of the next official release. http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC
2008/04/21 14:12:34
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Hey Dan, sorry I didn't state this earlier, but it's been a looooong week. Anyway, you and I aren't using the same board, so the Beta BIOS you're using wont do me any good, however I am going to email their tech support people and see if they can come out with a fix for the board I have. As it stands now with the F3 BIOS every thing is working great, but I would be limited in the future if I wanted to upgrade to 1,000 GB HD or a newer Intel CPU.
PS Guys thanx to all for their contributions to this topic, and the other threads as well. My system was very stable, but now thanx to everyone here I feel even better about things.
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC
2008/04/21 15:19:27
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ORIGINAL: dewdman42
Not sure if you guys are aware of this or not, but there is a gigabyte forum where a lot of gigabyte specific issues are discussed and perhaps even some Gigabyte support folks hang out on there from time to time. perhaps some of you would post your experiences with the old and beta Bios and see if this helps to pick up some momentum on the issue for Gigabyte to make the fix part of the next official release.
http://forums.tweaktown.com/f69/
Thanks dewdman. I posted a brief description of the problem and a link to this thread.
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC
2008/04/21 15:22:22
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ORIGINAL: emwhy
Hey Dan, sorry I didn't state this earlier, but it's been a looooong week. Anyway, you and I aren't using the same board, so the Beta BIOS you're using wont do me any good, however I am going to email their tech support people and see if they can come out with a fix for the board I have. As it stands now with the F3 BIOS every thing is working great, but I would be limited in the future if I wanted to upgrade to 1,000 GB HD or a newer Intel CPU.
PS Guys thanx to all for their contributions to this topic, and the other threads as well. My system was very stable, but now thanx to everyone here I feel even better about things.
Thanks emwhy!
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RE: Gigabyte P35 motherboards and DPC
2008/04/21 15:30:39
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I guess maybe I will give F3 a try tonight and see if it helps any. I will report back. ORIGINAL: emwhy
Guys I've been lurking on this thread for about a week and finally had a chance to test things for myself. I own the GA-P35-DS3L board and was also getting spikes, but none higher than about 700. After updating to the latest BIOS the spikes only got worse (this is not the beta BIOS mentioned upthread, I just want to be clear on that). So I rolled back the F3 and the spikes are totally gone. So I'm just going to do as others have said and hold off until there's a permanent fix.
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