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Re:Good Antivirus program to use in conjuction with x1?
2010/12/31 10:57:04
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I'll be setting up a new computer shortly and am taking a fresh look at security software - so I was very interested to read this thread. The replies to the OP deal with the various AV software's foot print, intrusiveness, blotnisity, cost, etc. No one (for the most part) comments on the suggested program's ability to deal with viruses and malware. Doesn't that matter? Or do we just assume that all anti-virus programs are equal in this respect? Just saying "I never had a problem" doesn't cut it for me. Comments?
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Re:Good Antivirus program to use in conjuction with x1?
2010/12/31 10:59:30
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the suggested program's ability to deal with viruses and malware. Doesn't that matter? Or do we just assume that all anti-virus programs are equal in this respect? The rating I gave for MS Security Essentials from Maximum PC magazine was based on their analysis of the effectiveness of the program. I trust the professionals to do that assessment.
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Re:Good Antivirus program to use in conjuction with x1?
2010/12/31 11:16:07
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I have the best ANTI VIRUS solution. Don't use your Daw Online..An Anti Virus software will cost around $60 or more and with the prices of netbooks and used pc's you can pick up a cheap computer for $300.00 and never have to take a risk with your PC. Since I took my daw offline I never had a problem, I have multiple computers Mac's and Pc's Desktops and laptops, By far my Pc computers with norton /adaware have seen the reformat process many times.. But I must say My Macs without any anti virus software has never seen a virus, and I go onto sites that would crash my pc's in seconds and it has. If your making money with your DAW there shouldn't be any reason why it should be online ever. Why Take the risk.
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Re:Good Antivirus program to use in conjuction with x1?
2010/12/31 11:29:04
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I've been using Kaspersky, Sometimes if I'm doing working on a project that is more CPU intensive I will shut off my wireless network adaptor and then shut off Kasperksy, but generally I can leave them both on and not have any problems. Whenever I work with a client though I always shut off the internet and the antivirus
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Re:Good Antivirus program to use in conjuction with x1?
2010/12/31 13:44:39
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Whatever antivirus software you put on, make sure you can configure it to ignore specific files and folders and file types, and turn off realtime protection. Last fall I switched from AVG to MS Security Essentials after having used AVG for a long time. MSSE has turned out to be a good solution, perhaps not as configurable as other applications, but configurable enough to assure it stays out of the way. I also use the Comodo firewall. Of course, the best antivirus solution is a dedicated DAW with no internet connection. That just isn't practical for most people. Second-best solution is an alternate profile that allows you to boot into an environment with no network, no antivirus and no unnecessary background processes. Third-best solution is a desktop shortcut to a batch file that kills antivirus software and disables the network in preparation for a recording session.
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Re:Good Antivirus program to use in conjuction with x1?
2010/12/31 13:47:24
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Sometimes if I'm doing working on a project that is more CPU intensive I will shut off my wireless network adaptor I find that essential otherwise I get continual audio dropouts and stuttering. I've a Netgear USB adaptor which DPC Latency Checker informs me gives a regular 2,500ns latency "pulse" plus a 5,000 or so one every so often. Switch the adaptor off in device manager and my DPC latency drops to peaks of about 50ns with a rare spike of 200 or so. Wired network cards could cause problems, but nothing on that scale (in my experience). The problem is that Windows, by design, likes to keep advertising its presence on the network all the time - even if there's no network out there for it to connect to it still keeps yelling "Hello -I'm here" just in case. On my laptop I also have to disable the webcam, built-in mousepad and bluetooth to get reasonable DPC latency. On both PCs activity by the AV is far less of a problem.
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Re:Good Antivirus program to use in conjuction with x1?
2010/12/31 14:33:35
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If you have a dedicated DAW, or any computer you need for your livlihood, why hook up to the internet at all. This is what I did. I hook up a totally separate computer to the internet to do all my online work. It is a $450 basic box. Then I run all my studio on a standalone Power i7 not connected to the internet - except for a selective log-on when I do registration confimrations, iLok registries, and operating system maintenance/uprades. Also, Windows has an onboard anti-virus free program I have noticed now? Any word on that?
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Re:Good Antivirus program to use in conjuction with x1?
2010/12/31 14:36:57
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Another vote for Eset's NOD32. I have used it for years and it has never let me down. Alan
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Re:Good Antivirus program to use in conjuction with x1?
2010/12/31 14:47:10
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TStranger If you have a dedicated DAW, or any computer you need for your livlihood, why hook up to the internet at all. This is what I did. I hook up a totally separate computer to the internet to do all my online work. It is a $450 basic box. Then I run all my studio on a standalone Power i7 not connected to the internet - except for a selective log-on when I do registration confimrations, iLok registries, and operating system maintenance/uprades. Also, Windows has an onboard anti-virus free program I have noticed now? Any word on that? Antivirus has come a long way in the last ten years. I could never keep my DAW offline to the internet; I'd never get anything done using an alternate computer. There are far too many things that the internet help me do faster on my DAW. - Watching the Groove 3 videos while Sonar is open on my desktop.
- Cutting and pasting text from the help file or reference guide directly into a forum post.
- Taking screen snapshots or short video clips of the Sonar or Cubase interface, and quickly sharing them via email or forum post.
- Downloading patches and updates. Some of these come on ISO's which can take 4 or more hours to download. At least I can continue to use my DAW while the download is happening in the background. Many updates are automatically fetched, such as those for my antivirus, Adobe, iTunes, and Windows 7 itself. Disconnecting from the internet would require that I perform a lot more manual processes; yuck!
- Listening to and uploading/downloading music files, with the DAW open in the background.
- Doing web searches to research questions and to find and fix problems.
None of these things has adversely impacted my DAW, not since Windows 95. There's no way I would consider disconnecting from the internet in this day and age.
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Re:Good Antivirus program to use in conjuction with x1?
2010/12/31 15:06:19
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Absolutley Pos! Good point. I guess I should point out that my online box is a chair roll away and hooked up via my LAN to my DAW computer. They are one icon click apart for this stuff, but it is a bit of a pain, yeah. I have my forums, and downloads, and instructional videos up on my 27 inch monitor off the online box, - which feeds to a standalone $150 PC sound system so that all that stuff does not interfere with my DAW PC sound or come through my studio at all. I can have Mildred on YouTube telling me how to construct a I, IV, V variation while at the same time sitting in my chair watching my studio monitor on the wall while performing from a completely seperate system. But my DAW computer feeds to a 60 inch flat panel 1080p monitor on the wall of my studio so that I can see tracking and play, controls, etc. while I am performing off a mic boom which I pull down from a ceiling mount. I bought a telescoping and armless rolling chair with a guitar step on it, from which I can play guitar or lower down and play PC. So I have understated a bit what is involved in or might drive my use of a stand alone DAW box.
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Re:Good Antivirus program to use in conjuction with x1?
2010/12/31 15:36:42
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I have the best ANTI VIRUS solution. Don't use your Daw Online. And don't use any flash drives, USB memory, CDs or DVDs that you aren't certain about because those can be infected too. Suppose a client gives you a flash drive with his song on it?
post edited by daveny5 - 2010/12/31 15:38:42
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Re:Good Antivirus program to use in conjuction with x1?
2010/12/31 15:50:41
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I'm not using X1, but with 8.5.3, I've been happily using Avira's free version (and before that Avast free, which also worked just fine). Avira WILL throw an "upgrade" popup at you, but a quick google search will show you how to turn that off. On a couple of my other home computers, I have, in the past, used AVG as well. At my last job we used Trend. I am not a fan. At my current job we use McAfee, which does a decent enough job. (And I am currently using Avira on all my home boxes)
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Re:Good Antivirus program to use in conjuction with x1?
2011/01/01 13:22:09
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Kaspersky, over last two years. In my view much leaner than Norton. And last version I had from McAfee could not be turned off (this may have changed though...). When I do Sonar, I close Kaspersky and even disable network connection (so no program will try to see if it can download a 875MB patch while I work...) This, even though I now have a QuadCore (since a week) - I may eventually join the club of those who claim that this way to go is legacy way. We'll see...
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Re:Good Antivirus program to use in conjuction with x1?
2011/01/01 13:25:39
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I have no problems with Avast Free and it is easier to turn off than most other AV programs.
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Re:Good Antivirus program to use in conjuction with x1?
2011/01/23 12:56:21
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Hi all, Mostly I lurk here on this forum, but I thought I'd share the joy I'm feeling today. I have been struggling with all the usual periodic crashes, burps, glitches, hitches and so forth that people have been rasslin' with over the years. Just seems like I could never quite get the darn machine to settle down. It'd go for a day or two and then freeze, for no apparent reason. Nothing you haven't heard before. I have upgraded, retraded, ****ed and retrograded every dial you can twist, every component of the machine, the operating system and, of course, every conceivable setting in SONAR (3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 8.5, X1). Nothing worked. It's trained me to be a really weird musician, since I've gotten in the habit my files about every 10 seconds. I'm using all that to introduce the thing that fixed the problem. [drum roll please...] Removed AVG from the system a few days ago. Fixed it. The trouble with AVG, as others have pointed out, is that it's really hard to actually disable it. It still leaves several services running even when it's disabled, and now-days you can only disable it for 15 minutes before it wakes up again (at least, in the free version). Uninstalling that rascal turned out to be pretty hard -- but I finally found an uninstall program by searching their site. The process and services cruft is now gone and, for the first time ever, I've been able to get through a whole 8 hour recording session without once crashing the box (although I'm still too new to this situation to break my file-saving habits). I'm going to try Avast and the MS Essentials that others have mentioned (I don't like running the box completely naked of anti-virus software -- they'll sell me if their stuff actually disables all the processes and services when I push the "disable" button). But I'll run naked and disconnect the box from the 'net if I have to. Thanks for the tips folks.
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Re:Good Antivirus program to use in conjuction with x1?
2011/01/23 14:02:30
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mikespitzer As a guy who has been very lucky to experience virtually ZERO crashes or freezes using SONAR , I have always followed the #1 basic rule of Pro Recording Studios .... If you can afford it, your Studio DAW PC should be a dedicated system... 1) No internet access 2) No Antivirus programs 3) Minimal other software applications installed 4) No Windows O/S once you have a rock solid system Any updates or patches can be downloaded and virus scanned on a separate work computer and transferred to the dedicated Audio DAW PC. In other words, your DAW PC is 100% dedicated on recording and nothing else. Use a laptop or other PC for all your web browsing, saving photos, WORD, EXCEL, WI-FI, webcams, graphic utilities, etc..... This is the most sure way of avoiding glitchy conflicts in a DAW environment Mike, this is the path I'm trying to follow. I have an "Internet" computer in another room, but can you tell me the best/easiest way to get patches,downloads, etc. and then take them to the DAW computer? Also, when I want to listen to demos or tutorials,etc. online, my "Internet" computers tiny speakers SUCK compared to listening to the same things off the net over my studio monitors...how risky is it to only go online with the DAW computer so I can really *hear* demos of other software? Thanks Michael
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Re:Good Antivirus program to use in conjuction with x1?
2011/01/23 17:02:54
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Thanks for this interesting post. I was researching the Microsoft Security Essentials and found a CNET review. This was the final conclusion of the reviewer: Conclusion Security Essentials is basically a good set-it-and-forget-it security program, but if you want more options and better results from a lightweight security option, Panda Cloud Antivirus Free Edition 1.3 is the safer bet. I didn't see Panda Cloud mentioned here by anyone and wonder if anyone has used it, and their feelings about it. Michael Lee
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Re:Good Antivirus program to use in conjuction with x1?
2011/01/23 18:30:35
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Re:Good Antivirus program to use in conjuction with x1?
2011/01/23 20:23:21
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bitflipper Last fall I switched from AVG to MS Security Essentials after having used AVG for a long time. This. I tried upgrading AVG this past weekend and it totally fragged my DAW. BSOD on boot. I finally got it all cleaned out and switched to MSSE.
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Re:Good Antivirus program to use in conjuction with x1?
2011/01/23 20:29:54
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Michael Lee Mike, this is the path I'm trying to follow. I have an "Internet" computer in another room, but can you tell me the best/easiest way to get patches,downloads, etc. and then take them to the DAW computer? that entirely depends on the company.. some will allow offline authorisation via a file .. while others demand online with regard to AVG , IMHO it got bloated.. so I dropped it.. I use panda, which I found to be a load better and have used NOD32 in the past
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Re:Good Antivirus program to use in conjuction with x1?
2011/01/23 20:54:51
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MS security essentials is the best, then Eset NOD32 Do not use McFee or norton... As fo the free ones like Avast and AVG, BkEWARE they may leave more spyware on your system then they remove... Some of them flag stuff that isnt harmful justso you think its working, I have grown up in the computer age and never once had avirus on my machines, and others that i know who have didnt need and AV to tell them or remove it... Also panda cloud is good too...
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Re:Good Antivirus program to use in conjuction with x1?
2011/01/23 20:57:05
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Also a fun fact, the first virus ever was created by out of work computer techsto keep them in buisness.. this is why I dont trust most AVapps...
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Re:Good Antivirus program to use in conjuction with x1?
2011/01/23 21:04:35
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Or you could get a Mac and just not worry about it...lol
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Re:Good Antivirus program to use in conjuction with x1?
2012/10/10 14:20:09
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I wholeheartedly agree with you! Why spend all the money on software and possibly a new computer only to expose it to potential online dangers. If you are building a serious DAW I see no reason to have to go online. If you have something that you want to upload you can copy the files and upload them from a different computer. My experience with antivirus software is that it can seriously slow your machine down. Why would you want to do that when you are trying to achieve the fastest processing speeds and lowest latency? I have run my DAW for several years now offline and never had one problem other than overloading my processor with more than it could handle.
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