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2015/09/06 09:35:15 (permalink)

Good book/materials to help with stage performance anxiety?

Practicing with a band to go on stage after 25 years.. Little nervous... Any help/recommendation will be appreciated..

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Re: Good book/materials to help with stage performance anxiety? 2015/09/06 12:47:38 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jamesg1213 2015/09/06 17:11:27
I always used the following logic:
 
Do you know how to play the songs in question?
 
Well then you're just doing something that you know how to do and there just happens to be people watching.
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Re: Good book/materials to help with stage performance anxiety? 2015/09/06 12:58:40 (permalink)
The obvious is being as practiced up as possible. I used to practice on my own incessantly up to and on the day of a gig (but I'd never practice with a band the day of a gig or even the night before a gig if I could avoid it... something about that seemed to make the gigs worse... not sure why). Feeling confidant that you KNOW your parts and can recover quickly from mistakes really is the best cure for a bad case of nerves. It also helps if your bandmates follow the same philosophy but sometimes you just can't control that so best to focus on yourself and realize that certain things are beyond your control.
 
REMEMBER... the audience is NOT there to see you fail. They are there to have a good time and are happy to just be standing in front of a band and having a fun night out. They are rooting for you and much more forgiving of mistakes (that most of the time they'll never notice anyway) than we are towards ourselves. For the judgmental dicks who MIGHT be criticizing you in their puny, petty little minds... f*ck 'em. They matter not. The point is those people out to have fun and you doing what you love. Be positive, be confidant, don't sweat mistakes (move on and don't dwell when they happen) and MOST importantly have fun. The audience will pick up on it and give it back to you which you can then give back to them and everyone has a great time.
 
The less obvious thing I used to do before every gig (and excuse me for being gross but it really did help me) is take a dump (yes a poop). As hilarious as it is this became so much of a ritual for me it was a band joke referred to as the "Good Luck Sh*t". I think just getting whatever is floating around down there helps significantly reduce the "butterflies" (and I have a sinking suspicion that what people refer to as butterflies is actually trapped fecal matter getting all jostled around from stress). IDK... it worked for me. It could get pretty nasty in some of the divier clubs who's bathrooms had more than questionable hygeine but I learned to "hover" when needed and kept a roll of TP in my gig bag (because baroom toilet paper is evil if it is stocked at all). Heheh.
 
I of course told that story for comedic effect but it is true. I am an extremely nervous person in general with bad guts but played at least 1 show a month for about 15 years (usually 2 or three and did many tours and crazy stints where I'd play 3 shows a night in the same or different venues). Can't beat a good old relaxing poop to get yourself feeling correct with the world and your place in it. lulz
 
On a more serious note some chamomile tea, valerian root or St. John's wort are of course good herbal relaxants that can help (be careful with such things though and don't try them the first time the night of the gig because they can cause bad reactions in certain people with pre-existing psychological conditions). Don't overdo it. You don't want to be sleepy... just take the edge off without dulling the sense too much which those remedies are good for. Try them out at a band practice first to see if they affect your playing at all and adjust accordingly.
 
There is also B12 vitamin stuff that can ease stress as well as exercise and meditation (do some jumping jacks or jog in place or do some push ups or whatever and then sit in a quiet room by yourself with your thoughts focusing on your breathing until you can widdle away the mental noise as much as possible). Of course staying hydrated in general is a natural stress reliever. Start drinking lots of water NOW and consistently and you'll just feel better in general. Eating well (fruits/veggies) again helps reduce anxiety. Coffee is murder on the nerves of course as is any caffeine or too much sugar in your diet (pop is awful).
 
Healthy body... healthy mind... less anxiety. That's all any froo froo book about anxiety worth it's salt is really gonna tell you anyway.
 
To me though, and this of course is the downfall of many artists... I drank beer. Lots and lots and LOTS of beer. I'd make sure I never got too drunk to play before the gig so maybe two or three before the gig (I had a high tolerance) and NO hard liquor... AT all. At least not until halfway through the gig or afterward (a hard task when you are playing Irish folk tunes and everyone is trying to toss whiskies of various kinds down your gullet as you play (on top of pints). Needless to say this all resulted in some hard core alcoholism after a while. However most people cannot drink like I did and play properly (and I played in many bands with many such people). The reason I could get away with it was because... yup... I practiced until I could play the damned songs even if I was on the brink of needing medical attention (of course I was no where near as good at that point than I was after only a few beers).
 
I of course am not recommending drinking to calm your nerves. It is a poor solution, especially for a first gig and is not a sustainable strategy. But if you can handle ONE beer just before playing then nurse a second one while on stage it can be a decent and reasonably safe nerve calmer. If you have an addictive personality or cannot stop after one... it ain't worth it.
 
Getting past the first gig and realizing the audience isn't out to get you in the end though is the biggest anxiety reduction and make it MUCH easier next time.
 
Have fun.
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Re: Good book/materials to help with stage performance anxiety? 2015/09/06 13:06:18 (permalink)
BTW... if you smoke pot... don't. Not before a gig. Make a tea out of it or eat it instead and don't overdo it (again if you've never eaten/drank such products test it out at practice beforehand). Smoking it is a recipe for anxiety... especially this crazy newfangle stuff out there these days. The THC content is too high (pun may or may not be intended). The "relaxing" component of ole Mary is the canniboids which are better accessed through digestion. Not smoking.
 
I gave that crap up ages ago (nothing against it at all... seriously) because of the THC induced anxiety. When I DID still partake I realized VERY quickly that it was just about the worst thing I could do to myself for stagefright and stopped that nonsense right quick.
 
YMMV
 
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Re: Good book/materials to help with stage performance anxiety? 2015/09/06 14:01:38 (permalink)
I hear you Magik, I am going through the exact same thing. I have not played live in front of a crowd in many years, but soon will. I suffer with the same anxiety. I have always had a bit of stage fright, even years ago when I played live. Beeps remedies won't work well for me, because I will be joining the worship team. Beer and pot would most likely be fowned upon. 😀

I'm trying to practice as much as possible so that I really know the material well. Then when I become all thumbs, I will hopefully be able to recover quickly.

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Re: Good book/materials to help with stage performance anxiety? 2015/09/06 14:42:51 (permalink)
Well... those were more cautionary tales than recommendations. The exercise, diet, herbal relaxants, practice, positive thinking/perspective, meditation and pooping were my real advice.
 
Booze and drugs are kind of the lazy way out of the stagefright predicament and have stolen far too many of our greats to be adviseable to anyone. They also only work for a short while before they become a massive hindrance/counterproductive.
 
They are unfortunately much easier than loving thineself for many of us creative types.
 
Edit: and I thank whatever cosmic forces gave me the good sense to stay the hell away from heroin and the like... ugh.
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Re: Good book/materials to help with stage performance anxiety? 2015/09/06 16:21:22 (permalink)
Magik,
Bapster's post is very good. Multiple good tips, there.
An effective pharmaceutical in this situation is Inderal/propanalol. It works kind of like an emotional comp/limiter.
Inderal is non-addictive and it doesn't impair you. The main contra-indication is asthma.
http://www.everydayhealth.com/drugs/inderal
 
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Re: Good book/materials to help with stage performance anxiety? 2015/09/06 16:46:50 (permalink)
There is a lot I could write about the subject. Obviously, good preparation and just getting on the stage and removing any sort of judgement from the performance are key. Here is a blog I came across a while back that has some insightful things to say on the matter:

http://www.bulletproofmusician.com/
 
I would choose 5-10 articles that speak to you and really understand the message they are trying to convey, whether it's better practice habits or better stress management approaches. Only then would I move on to any of the other articles he has up there, because he sure does have a lot up there. The guy apparently went to Julliard and is now a PhD in Psychology. I've found that he has some pretty interesting things to say.
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Re: Good book/materials to help with stage performance anxiety? 2015/09/06 17:05:32 (permalink)
A lot of words being typed here, but Drew has the short answer. Know your stuff.
 
The guy apparently went to Julliard and is now a PhD in Psychology.

 


 
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Re: Good book/materials to help with stage performance anxiety? 2015/09/06 17:55:24 (permalink)
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A lot of words being typed here, but Drew has the short answer. Know your stuff.
 
The guy apparently went to Julliard and is now a PhD in Psychology.

 





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Re: Good book/materials to help with stage performance anxiety? 2015/09/06 20:12:11 (permalink)
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A lot of words being typed here, but Drew has the short answer. Know your stuff.
 
The guy apparently went to Julliard and is now a PhD in Psychology.

 





I'm trying to get into MIT to work on my music theory degree...




You can actually get a pretty good music degree at MIT...
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Re: Good book/materials to help with stage performance anxiety? 2015/09/06 20:13:34 (permalink)
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A lot of words being typed here, but Drew has the short answer. Know your stuff.
 
The guy apparently went to Julliard and is now a PhD in Psychology.

 





Knowing your stuff is definitely the first part of it, not the whole thing though. OP was asking for some good reading materials that address the subject. The blog is full of pretty helpful information.
post edited by Amine Belkhouche - 2015/09/07 09:54:59
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Re: Good book/materials to help with stage performance anxiety? 2015/09/07 14:22:59 (permalink)
Hi,
 
Mag, from my days directing for the stage, I can tell you that too much of that anxiety is in your head a lot more than otherwise, and later you find ... ohhh ... it was alright!
 
My recommendations are nearly all the same as those above, with one exception. As a director, on the outside, you can see things that otherwise you folks playing (or acting) can not see from an audience's perspective, and there are some things that you can do to test that, and see how you react to it, and how you work in between.
 
So what did I do? George and Martha are arguing and a nut walks in with a vacuum cleaner. You have to maintain your concentration and not lose your spot, and yet, you have to handle the event. Easy enough ... Martha goes into a tirade about George's obsession with the maid ... (something like that) ... and after the vacuum is done with her 15 seconds, George throws the continuing line out, and generally, ADJUSTING, the mood is all that is required and this is not hard, if all the players (or actors) are listening to each other, and know how to get back in sync ... which can be discussed previously ... since you have no idea what the event will be! You can decided to say that the guitar does 4 to 6 beats in a particular scale, and that at the end, everyone is on par and tune.
 
Things like this, however, test your nerve ... because some folks panic and STOP. Do not EVER stop, and simply try to bring the others back, and the person in the group that is the best listener should be the one doing it, and the others should follow, and you can take turns doing this.
 
Eventually, after 4 or 5 times of this, you learn to trust your partner. At that point, you know it's not about "anxiety" as much as it is about LISTENING.
 
So, if you ask me, for a suggestion and clue? ... there you have it. How well you are tuned to the folks, instead of your instrument and notes (which is already memorized, etc, etc), you concentrate on making them better ... and the rest ... the more you do, the better will all of you sound and be!
 
Now take a break and go have a beer, or a smoke ... and smile. Then come back and rehearse again, and get someone to do anything else they want at any time, and try it again. Do not (ever!) duplicate the same event ... always try something different! And you will find, that listening, is the clue ... not anything else, because right then, you know what you have to do already!
 
Easy! So very easy!
 
BTW, I have never failed with a "beginning" actor or newby on stage, and would not fail either with a band, that was willing to learn and have fun! But the willingness ... is the issue, when folks end up thinking some stupid poop like ... that's not rock or jazz or some other BS! You miss the point totally! And it has nothing to do with the kind of music you are playing, btw ... that's "outside" the 4th wall!

Music is not about notes and chords! My poem is not about the computer or monitor or letters! It's about how I was able to translate it from my insides! 
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Re: Good book/materials to help with stage performance anxiety? 2015/09/07 18:58:10 (permalink)
Imagine the audience is in their underwear. 
 
If that still leaves you nervous, imagine the audience is in Queen Elizabeth's underwear.
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Re: Good book/materials to help with stage performance anxiety? 2015/09/08 10:03:42 (permalink)
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A lot of words being typed here, but Drew has the short answer. Know your stuff.
The guy apparently went to Julliard and is now a PhD in Psychology.

 

 
Theater, film and the performing arts is not for everyone. There is an internal side that you have to learn to work on, and if you don't, you are not going to be there very long. There is another side, and it is called the Hollywood side, but soon enough it will be diseased enough ... that it will be hard to maintain and stay there anymore! There are just as many failed actors and musicians in Hollywood as there are bums in southern California!
 
Julliard, is no different than any other performing school. They can teach you the notes and music, but can not teach you something on the inside that is a feeling that you have that needs to be nurtured and developed, that is often messed up with instructors that think they know what that secret is ... there is no secret ... you are dealing with a person, and you do not fudge with the person's mind and body in these situations ... PERIOD!
 
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Imagine the audience is in their underwear.
If that still leaves you nervous, imagine the audience is in Queen Elizabeth's underwear.

 
I don't recommend funny stuff any less than unfunny. Why? Your head is already full of things and thoughts, that adding another one is not going to help. Basically, one needs to relax, empty their mind, and allow the natural flow of the piece and words they know to work through ... or notes if it is music.
 
Again, it is all about the interplay and relationship between each other and it's easy to tell which folks/musicians are good enough to have this, and which are just in it for something else ... it is also becomes easy to tell which ones simply don't have it ... if you really want to look, since their concentration is ridiculously bad! Oh yeah, they know the notes ... what else? 

Music is not about notes and chords! My poem is not about the computer or monitor or letters! It's about how I was able to translate it from my insides! 
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Re: Good book/materials to help with stage performance anxiety? 2015/09/08 11:41:56 (permalink)
Avoid caffeine especially if you are playing to a large audience.
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Re: Good book/materials to help with stage performance anxiety? 2015/09/08 13:04:24 (permalink)
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A lot of words being typed here, but Drew has the short answer. Know your stuff.
The guy apparently went to Julliard and is now a PhD in Psychology.

 

 
Theater, film and the performing arts is not for everyone. There is an internal side that you have to learn to work on, and if you don't, you are not going to be there very long. There is another side, and it is called the Hollywood side, but soon enough it will be diseased enough ... that it will be hard to maintain and stay there anymore! There are just as many failed actors and musicians in Hollywood as there are bums in southern California!
 
Julliard, is no different than any other performing school. They can teach you the notes and music, but can not teach you something on the inside that is a feeling that you have that needs to be nurtured and developed, that is often messed up with instructors that think they know what that secret is ... there is no secret ... you are dealing with a person, and you do not fudge with the person's mind and body in these situations ... PERIOD!




I think the point of my message has been lost. Performance psychology has become a very serious discipline over the past 20-30 years. One shouldn't simply dismiss the research and propose a one-size-fits-all solution, especially since, as you say, we are dealing with a person. That is not to say there isn't something intangible when dealing with music. But I would assume most good teachers, especially ones at Julliard, know that. But there are also some very real benefits to be had from the research of performance psychologists. It's both art and science. Good instructors never just teach you the notes and the music, at least not the ones I've come across. They encourage you to find the history behind the piece, the life of the composer. They encourage you to find your connection with the music and of course they teach you the tools to better express your connection with that music. In the end, it does come down to how hard the student wants to work, and that's something you can't teach. But to say that we cannot work on the mind in similar ways we work on our fingers, our diaphragms, our postures etc... is not true. There is no secret, there is no absolute truth. But there are certainly many aspects of performance practices that performance psychology has been able to contribute to.
 
The OP asked for books and reading materials. The short answer is to just tell him to do it enough times and he'll get more comfortable with it. That can certainly be true. But there are more nuanced approaches that can certainly help. Visualization anyone? That's my point. It doesn't have to be complicated, but there should be an awareness of these legitimate approaches.
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Re: Good book/materials to help with stage performance anxiety? 2015/09/09 10:50:26 (permalink)
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The OP asked for books and reading materials. The short answer is to just tell him to do it enough times and he'll get more comfortable with it. That can certainly be true. But there are more nuanced approaches that can certainly help. Visualization anyone? That's my point. It doesn't have to be complicated, but there should be an awareness of these legitimate approaches.

 
Just goes to show you, how some folks can not tell the difference between the truth/falsity and a ducking book! You, immediately assume, that I have nothing to say because I am not famous and do not have a book or a Juillard BS degree behind me!
 
Just shows your how much you do not know about the subject, that you think some invisible author in Amazon with a degree from Merdestink U is more important. You do not know the difference between a good comment and helpful information about stage fright and stage directing, of which I have a lot of experience, and further, you can only think of putting someone down ... when you are not patient and able enough to read something and find out if it is good or not! or helpful or not!
 
Of course there is no right or wrong. Why? Simple ... it is an experiential thing and if you do not know what you are doing, you are not going to last in any business related to that art .. plain and simple!
 
These are issues that can only be taught with a "director" that has experience in these matters, and is not likely to be learned by reading a book ... you do not have the advantage of the outsider to see in, to help you. And this is one of the biggest issues with rock/jazz/classical music, in that these folks know their music, but the rest is dead ... and the music dies before the end. There are a thousand movies (specially French films!) about that ... but you would not be interested because you can only go for the top ten and the famous suckers that convinced you they are good, because you can not tell the difference!
 
See if you can watch a film called "The Tightrope", about Peter Brook and his group, and it has live music, also! I'm as close of a person to help you achieve this, as you will ever find, but your EGO will never accept it or admit it! And you will make sure that no one will believe me, because they also don't know any better, and further ... are not interested!
 
Everything I told you is a lie, including that, you idiot! ... when you know better, and can tell the difference let me know!

Music is not about notes and chords! My poem is not about the computer or monitor or letters! It's about how I was able to translate it from my insides! 
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Re: Good book/materials to help with stage performance anxiety? 2015/09/09 14:56:16 (permalink)
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Of course there is no right or wrong. Why? Simple ... it is an experiential thing and if you do not know what you are doing, you are not going to last in any business related to that art .. plain and simple!
 
 



How can you know what you're doing is right, if there's no right or wrong? That would mean anything you're doing, is both right, and wrong, right?

 
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Re: Good book/materials to help with stage performance anxiety? 2015/09/09 15:33:23 (permalink)
To answer your question.... I don't think you can get that out of a book.  The way to become comfortable in front of an audience is to simply enjoy what you're doing and feed off the audience's energy. One good way to be comfortable on the stage is to have good reliable gear and know the songs well.   I would avoid all natural and artificial stimulants and pharmaceuticals.  Drink water and go on straight and sober.... don't forget to pee before you go on stage. 

What you give to them in energy, they will give back to you more....and so it goes.
 
As for me, I haven't played in front of an audience for some time, but I know I enjoyed it then and if I was to play again in a live situation, I would be looking forward to it as soon as I found out about it.  For me, the bummer starts when the stage lights go out after the show.

I even enjoy speaking in front of people.... guess I;m a bit weird.
 
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Re: Good book/materials to help with stage performance anxiety? 2015/09/09 16:20:01 (permalink)
Just imagine that you're up there completely naked, unbathed, with bed-head hair that's dyed pink, and it's cold. Then notice that the entire audience, is full of all your relatives and every one you ever went to school with...  That should do it!
 
(Hmm... He did say he wanted help with stage performance anxiety, not sure why anyone would want that... Maybe I misunderstood?)

 
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Re: Good book/materials to help with stage performance anxiety? 2015/09/09 16:34:22 (permalink)
Like someone once told me, 'just shut up and play.'

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Re: Good book/materials to help with stage performance anxiety? 2015/09/09 18:00:22 (permalink)
"A lot of words being typed here, but Drew has the short answer. Know your stuff."
 
definitely the key-also recognising you probably will make a mistake and being prepared when it happens.
I hate gigging and we have agreed if you get lost just dick around until the 1 comes around again.
I`ve been known to pre gig vomit regularly to the point that I stopped gigging but my doctor prescribed betablockers and I haven`t looked back.
definitely recommend them for performance anxiety as they appear to be non addictive,fairly benign physically and above all,legal.
apparently they are pretty popular with golfers and chess players??
cheers
 
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Re: Good book/materials to help with stage performance anxiety? 2015/09/09 18:22:00 (permalink)
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The OP asked for books and reading materials. The short answer is to just tell him to do it enough times and he'll get more comfortable with it. That can certainly be true. But there are more nuanced approaches that can certainly help. Visualization anyone? That's my point. It doesn't have to be complicated, but there should be an awareness of these legitimate approaches.

 
Just goes to show you, how some folks can not tell the difference between the truth/falsity and a ducking book! You, immediately assume, that I have nothing to say because I am not famous and do not have a book or a Juillard BS degree behind me!
 
Just shows your how much you do not know about the subject, that you think some invisible author in Amazon with a degree from Merdestink U is more important. You do not know the difference between a good comment and helpful information about stage fright and stage directing, of which I have a lot of experience, and further, you can only think of putting someone down ... when you are not patient and able enough to read something and find out if it is good or not! or helpful or not!
 
Of course there is no right or wrong. Why? Simple ... it is an experiential thing and if you do not know what you are doing, you are not going to last in any business related to that art .. plain and simple!
 
These are issues that can only be taught with a "director" that has experience in these matters, and is not likely to be learned by reading a book ... you do not have the advantage of the outsider to see in, to help you. And this is one of the biggest issues with rock/jazz/classical music, in that these folks know their music, but the rest is dead ... and the music dies before the end. There are a thousand movies (specially French films!) about that ... but you would not be interested because you can only go for the top ten and the famous suckers that convinced you they are good, because you can not tell the difference!
 
See if you can watch a film called "The Tightrope", about Peter Brook and his group, and it has live music, also! I'm as close of a person to help you achieve this, as you will ever find, but your EGO will never accept it or admit it! And you will make sure that no one will believe me, because they also don't know any better, and further ... are not interested!
 
Everything I told you is a lie, including that, you idiot! ... when you know better, and can tell the difference let me know!




Well that escalated quickly. I apologize if I've offended you, it wasn't meant to come across that way. I wasn't trying to put you down, only trying to say that there are some useful things to be gained from performance psychology, that's all. I know a lot of amateur and professional performers, in all disciplines, not just music, who have benefited from such methods and I simply had a chance to shed light on the topic since the OP asked for reading materials in the hopes that he/she could get some ideas he/she could try out, that's all. You cannot learn anything about music by just reading about it, but knowledge and application should go hand in hand, and that's when the magic happens. Again, no harm was meant, just trying to clarify that neither your ideas nor my ideas should be dismissed. I only thought to put his alma mater in there because Julliard students have dealt with that enormous pressure to produce at very high levels since an early age. Read the guy's About page on the site, it's quite interesting. Just approach with an open mind and all will be well.
 
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Re: Good book/materials to help with stage performance anxiety? 2015/09/09 18:35:48 (permalink)
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definitely the key-also recognising you probably will make a mistake and being prepared when it happens.
I hate gigging and we have agreed if you get lost just dick around until the 1 comes around again.




Agreed, making mistakes happens, but you have to try your best to keep going no matter what. I find it liberating when you're no longer afraid of making mistakes. You, ironically, make less mistakes.
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Re: Good book/materials to help with stage performance anxiety? 2015/09/09 19:52:13 (permalink)




"Agreed, making mistakes happens, but you have to try your best to keep going no matter what. I find it liberating when you're no longer afraid of making mistakes. You, ironically, make less mistakes."

that`s true,especially playing original music-the irony is the audience don`t know you have fharked up if you can hang in till the melody or the groove reappears-in hindsight,mistakes can lead to new and different interpretation of material.
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Re: Good book/materials to help with stage performance anxiety? 2015/09/09 20:15:51 (permalink)
The dream is playing this kind of music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmErwN02fX0
 
If you make a mistake, you can be sure 99.99% won't notice.
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Re: Good book/materials to help with stage performance anxiety? 2015/09/09 20:48:51 (permalink)
It seems to me this is being made much more complicated than it should be. I've played literally 1000's of gigs and I was always nervous before a show. It didn't matter if it was a club, theater, festival or arena. I was always excited and nervous. It's a natural reaction in performing. I can remember my hands shaking as I played the first song of the night and literally struggling to hold the pick and fret the chords. It ALWAYS went away before the first song ended.
 
Here's a tip I can give you based on a personal experience. My band was opening for a big time rock band in an arena. Our drummer had never played such a big gig, but the rest of us didn't really think about it. The first song required a 2 measure drum beat intro. We were announced, and stood there in dim light waiting the count in and intro. After a couple of seconds I turned and looked at the drummer and he was in a full blown vapor lock. I stepped toward him and said "Jonny...its just us in the house jamming...look at me and lets go" He blinked and started the count in and off we went. He didn't take his eyes off me for the first 3 songs. Every time I turned around he was staring straight at me. He relaxed after a few songs and began to really enjoy the experience.
 
The tip? Don't look at the crowd at first. Look at your band mates and smile. This is supposed to be fun. You'll be fine.
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Re: Good book/materials to help with stage performance anxiety? 2015/09/10 01:26:36 (permalink)
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I've played literally 1000's of gigs and I was always nervous before a show.
 
I stepped toward him and said "Jonny...its just us in the house jamming...look at me and lets go" He blinked and started the count in and off we went. He didn't take his eyes off me for the first 3 songs. Every time I turned around he was staring straight at me. He relaxed after a few songs and began to really enjoy the experience.




You were experienced enough in this scenario to suggest visualization to your drummer. Creating an environment in his mind that he associated with a comfort zone seemed to have worked and he was able to ease into the performance. A couple of other replies in this thread also suggested something along the lines of creating a comfort zone in your mind to achieve the same goal. Visualization is no doubt a powerful tool. It does feel like the game is mostly mental once we're up there in front of people.
 
http://www.bulletproofmusician.com/are-great-performers-as-cool-and-collected-on-stage-as-they-appear/
 
Now we don't have to be on the level of the great performers (or pros in general) but we certainly can take a page out of their books. I know I do whenever I'm watching a Dave Pensado video. For instance, we can always teach ourselves guitar but a good guitar teacher helps take a lot of the guesswork out of guitar, just like an expert in performance can help take a lot of the guesswork out of performance. All they've done is create something methodical out of what experienced performers, like Randy P, know intuitively. And it can certainly help save time being aware of that. Anyway, this has been an interesting discussion and there is a lot of literature on the subject. magic570, I wish you luck on that performance. Let us know how it goes.
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Re: Good book/materials to help with stage performance anxiety? 2015/09/10 07:24:36 (permalink)
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I think the point of my message has been lost. Performance psychology has become a very serious discipline over the past 20-30 years. One shouldn't simply dismiss the research and propose a one-size-fits-all solution, especially since, as you say, we are dealing with a person. That is not to say there isn't something intangible when dealing with music. But I would assume most good teachers, especially ones at Julliard, know that. But there are also some very real benefits to be had from the research of performance psychologists. It's both art and science. Good instructors never just teach you the notes and the music, at least not the ones I've come across. They encourage you to find the history behind the piece, the life of the composer. They encourage you to find your connection with the music and of course they teach you the tools to better express your connection with that music. In the end, it does come down to how hard the student wants to work, and that's something you can't teach. But to say that we cannot work on the mind in similar ways we work on our fingers, our diaphragms, our postures etc... is not true. There is no secret, there is no absolute truth. But there are certainly many aspects of performance practices that performance psychology has been able to contribute to.
 
The OP asked for books and reading materials. The short answer is to just tell him to do it enough times and he'll get more comfortable with it. That can certainly be true. But there are more nuanced approaches that can certainly help. Visualization anyone? That's my point. It doesn't have to be complicated, but there should be an awareness of these legitimate approaches.




+1 to some of that for sure 
 
The OP wants a book , here's a good book to read …worked for me
 
http://www.shaktigawain.com/products/books/creative-visualization
 
some excerpts
 
http://shaktigawain.wwwhubs.com/gawain2.htm 
 
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