smallstonefan
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving
2017/01/08 12:05:21
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Best winter car I've had here in Nebraska is a 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee. I have the one with the hemi and I added the factory skid plates option so the thing is built like a tank. Has lots of airbags, and will go through anything. I gave it to my son for a few years for his first car, and now that we got him a Mazda for college my daughter is driving it.
I still "borrow" it once a year when my son and I go deer hunting. We put a rack in the hitch to haul our deer and we drive this through the mud and the cornfields with no issues.
It makes me feel a bit more secure knowing she's driving a tank that will climb through any snow or mud thrown at it. If we have to go out as a family in bad weather, we take that old Jeep...
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving
2017/01/08 14:30:26
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Cars must be much cheaper in the USA than they are in Canada. I can't afford anything by Subaru and not much by any other company. $35k for a pretty basic Ford Escape. Forget the imports, they're right out of my league.
My retirement income is about what I was making in the late 70's. It won't be long until I can't afford to drive. If I quit my cash flow would be much better but I'm too young to quit being mobile. I'm on the hunt for a small SUV just for visibility. I have until the end of this year to find one. Right now the Escape is at the top of my list.
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving
2017/01/08 15:17:14
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My favorite Top Gear episode. Throughout the whole program there's cut-aways to a Relient sliding on its side! LMAO!
I'd agree, wonderful stuff mate!
Coincidentally... in the scene on the cricket pitch, the 'man in the white coat' is legendary umpire Harold 'Dickie' Bird, a wonderful man I've met when he signed my copy of his autobiography and his book of cricketing memoirs 
The guy wrote a sequel to his autobiography! Brilliant! I wonder what you put in it, what's happened since you finished the first book? Stuff that didn't make it in the first time?
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving
2017/01/08 22:51:56
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My favorite Top Gear episode. Throughout the whole program there's cut-aways to a Relient sliding on its side! LMAO!
WHOA.... after seeing that I'm walking from now on .  Kenny
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving
2017/01/08 23:59:29
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Subaru...Subaru...Subaru!!!
Outback or Forestor. I drive an Imprezza Sport Limited and have no troubles in even the worst snow and slush conditions...black ice is still no sane drivers territory. All wheel drive...all wheel grip. Drink the Kool Aid...it tastes good!!!
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JohanSebatianGremlin
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving
2017/01/10 20:39:55
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Yeah no contest, get a Subaru.
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving
2017/01/10 21:15:26
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☄ Helpfulby craigb 2017/01/10 23:09:41
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving
2017/01/10 21:28:15
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depends on the normal terrain you drive on, does it justify a 4x4 etc?
the thing with having a discovery etc.. no 3rd party parts as a friend discovered and they weren't cheap.
a friend had a "karioke" as I call em.. again , not the cheapest car to run here. think tyres were £250 a time.
I'd really look into the parts cost before buying also.
UK cars are different from the US ones, due to the terrain, although locally there is a humvee, which looks even bigger on the roads here.
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving
2017/01/10 23:11:12
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Today I got stuck 30 miles from home just when a blizzard started. It took two hours and I did some slow sliding down one hill, but I finally made it home and I'm NOT going anywhere for a while.
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving
2017/01/10 23:22:36
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Decided against studded tires, I see.
One more thing about winter driving... always carry emergency gear in the trunk.
1. Chains
2. Flares
3. Warm clothes
4. Bottled water
5. Spare tire
6. Jack
7. Tow strap
8. Shovel
9. etc
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving
2017/01/10 23:25:17
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I would have mentioned this but the maintenance & fuel is way too expensive. 
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving
2017/01/10 23:31:52
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 Laugh, but each winter I see more & more people doing it. Where's that naked bike rally now? Huh?! whimps!
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving
2017/01/11 00:32:15
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Decided against studded tires, I see.
One more thing about winter driving... always carry emergency gear in the trunk.
1. Chains
2. Flares
3. Warm clothes
4. Bottled water
5. Spare tire
6. Jack
7. Tow strap
8. Shovel
9. etc
I only have bottled water from that list. I used to have lots of things and was always prepared. Then I found out that people like to break into cars that have lots of goodies in them (refer back to my November pics of my broken window). Not sure what to do anymore...
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving
2017/01/11 06:00:16
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Today I got stuck 30 miles from home just when a blizzard started. It took two hours and I did some slow sliding down one hill, but I finally made it home and I'm NOT going anywhere for a while.
Craig , Our area got hit pretty good today ... I just took a look out my window at my car and it is covered in about close to a foot of snow ...my car never looked so good  Kenny
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving
2017/01/11 07:34:48
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I used to have lots of things and was always prepared. Then I found out that people like to break into cars that have lots of goodies in them (refer back to my November pics of my broken window). Not sure what to do anymore...
Move to a better neighborhood?
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving
2017/01/11 08:45:41
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The neighborhood's fine, but my main client is in downtown Portland which is not so fine.
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving
2017/01/11 09:18:17
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My wife has an awd 2013 Ford Escape that rocks in inhospitable weather. We're having record snow here in Colorado and I continue to be impressed. It also has amazing power for a four banger. Real life average mpg is 24ish but in the snow it gets 20ish. No matter what people tell you, awd is the difference between getting stuck and not getting stuck in the snow especially going uphill. I helped push a 2 wheel drive Mercedes back into his parking space last weekend and then drove off.
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving
2017/01/12 15:45:37
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Decided against studded tires, I see.
One more thing about winter driving... always carry emergency gear in the trunk.
1. Chains
2. Flares
3. Warm clothes
4. Bottled water
5. Spare tire
6. Jack
7. Tow strap
8. Shovel
9. etc
Store the bottled water up front with you (so it doesn't freeze when you turn off the car), add in jumper cables (or emergency starter) and a bag of sand, and you've got a keeper. Studs in tires make a huge difference until they wear down. At that point, they are useless and, if a tire decides to "throw" them, conceivably dangerous. So, it's a judgment call as to get them or not. The argument is whether the increased safety on the road is worth the possibility of hurting someone with a tossed stud. OTOH, I know of no one who has gotten hurt by a stud screaming through the air. Personally, I've not owned them. You just haven't lived until, when traveling to a recording session during a blizzard, you've kissed a telephone pole with the bumper of your AMC Gremlin. Major "ouch". The Gremlin had amazing handling, even w/o adverse conditions: one would point the steering wheel in the direction you wanted to go, the car would consider complying with one's suggestion, and then (usually) get around to doing what one had requested. A generally agreeable car, indeed, but not the type of car to think about driving in a blizzard.
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving
2017/01/12 17:32:21
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... those were covered in the "etc." part. Sand bags work best if you can put them over the drive wheels like weightless pickups. Front drive cars, not so good as you're putting the weight in the back which lightens the frontend. Have a friend sit on the hood instead. You can also spread the sand on ice to get more traction. A carpeted floor mat works in a pinch to get out of a snow bank. Studs are good on icey intersections. Steel wears out too quick for me but some higher end tires offer titaniaum studs that last 2 or 3 seasons, according to a friend of mine. Never seen one fly off a tire and they're a bear to get out physically. Had to do that years ago when I couldn't afford summer tires and the fine for each stud was like $15 if caught running them in summer. It's only $50/vehicle now. You should be amazed you AMC still runs. I'm amazed they still make parts for it. Now where did all those Yugos go?!
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving
2017/01/13 03:28:01
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☄ Helpfulby craigb 2017/01/13 09:52:40
soens
Decided against studded tires, I see.
One more thing about winter driving... always carry emergency gear in the trunk.
1. Chains
2. Flares
3. Warm clothes
4. Bottled water
5. Spare tire
6. Jack
7. Tow strap
8. Shovel
9. etc
I'd advise against wearing those, they flap about and get all wet in the snow. If you have to, maybe use bicycle clips.
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving
2017/01/13 09:41:36
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Another Subaru Outback here.
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving
2017/01/13 09:58:00
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Hmm... I guess my next step will be to see at what price range does a Subaru start becoming viable. Until I've built my credit back up, this next one's going to have to be a cheap temporary!
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving
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Interesting no-one else has mentioned the Mitsubishi Shogun..maybe cos it's also called the 'Pajero', which unfortunately is Spanish for w***er...
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving
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Hmm... I guess my next step will be to see at what price range does a Subaru start becoming viable. Until I've built my credit back up, this next one's going to have to be a cheap temporary!
Craig, I wont get specific, but my brother just bought an outback and he had a MUCH, MUCH better experience with the east side suburu dealer viz the west side one.
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving
2017/01/13 20:42:45
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Interesting no-one else has mentioned the Mitsubishi Shogun..maybe cos it's also called the 'Pajero', which unfortunately is Spanish for w***er...
Well, here was my reply to your original comment. It might have something to do with it! That Shogun looks pretty cool too, but I'm wondering if they even sell them in the U.S.; I've never seen one that I can remember!
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2017/01/13 20:45:34
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craigb
Hmm... I guess my next step will be to see at what price range does a Subaru start becoming viable. Until I've built my credit back up, this next one's going to have to be a cheap temporary!
Craig,
I wont get specific, but my brother just bought an outback and he had a MUCH, MUCH better experience with the east side suburu dealer viz the west side one.
I've actually sold car parts to the dealer in the East (the one on East Powell). The same friend that owns the auto-parts knows a lot of the really small places and may be able to help me find a suitable one.
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving
2017/01/14 02:44:52
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jamesg1213
Interesting no-one else has mentioned the Mitsubishi Shogun..maybe cos it's also called the 'Pajero', which unfortunately is Spanish for w***er...
Well, here was my reply to your original comment. It might have something to do with it!
That Shogun looks pretty cool too, but I'm wondering if they even sell them in the U.S.; I've never seen one that I can remember!
Do you see any Mitsubishis at all over there? The 4x4 of choice around here is the L200, there are hundreds of them. I got the missus a 2005 model for towing the horsebox. http://www.mitsubishi-cars.co.uk/l200/
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving
2017/01/14 03:02:11
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Just did a little research. It was called the "Montero" in the U.S.
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☄ Helpfulby jamesg1213 2017/01/14 07:10:01
craigb
soens
Decided against studded tires, I see.
One more thing about winter driving... always carry emergency gear in the trunk.
1. Chains
2. Flares
3. Warm clothes
4. Bottled water
5. Spare tire
6. Jack
7. Tow strap
8. Shovel
9. etc
I only have bottled water from that list.
I used to have lots of things and was always prepared. Then I found out that people like to break into cars that have lots of goodies in them (refer back to my November pics of my broken window). Not sure what to do anymore...
Not leave them in full view on the back seat ?
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