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2017/01/06 00:54:17 (permalink)

Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving

As soon as I get my tax refund back I'll be adding it to some money I'm working to save and I'll need to get a new(er) vehicle.  Although it's tempting to get something for the gas mileage, I'm curious if any of you have recommendations for vehicles that simply perform better than others in bad weather.  We really don't get a lot of bad weather days but, when we do, people don't know how to drive in it!  I'd like to feel a bit more in control out there (and I'm tired of hydro-planing on one of our freeways!).
 
So what do you think are good options?  Subaru's with all-wheel drive?  Trucks, SUV's or cars?  Do studded tires really work in snow and ice?  Certain makes and/or models?
 
Note that this vehicle will have to be something I drive in Summer too so no snow mobiles! 

 
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving 2017/01/06 02:20:18 (permalink)
Best we've owned was a 1997 Shogun LWB with low ratio. That car could get through anything. Had nearly 300,000 miles on the clock when we parted with it. Nice high driving position so you can see what's going on ahead.
 


 
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving 2017/01/06 07:54:47 (permalink)
I've got a Ford Explorer and a Nissan Pathfinder, and they're both great in bad weather. Nothing beats four wheel drive. Studded snow tires are great, too. The problem with those is, when you get on patches of dry pavement, it feels like your vehicle is going to vibrate into pieces. I vote for four wheel drive, without studded snow tires, just fairly aggressive all-terrain tires.
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving 2017/01/06 08:18:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby craigb 2017/01/06 15:23:16
It doesn't really matter what you are driving. It's the ****wit behind you/coming the other way that is the problem.
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving 2017/01/06 10:37:02 (permalink)
I've got a friend that lives a few hours from civilization, up here in the Great White North.  She swears by her AWD Subaru.  Good gas mileage as well as traction.
From my experience, any good solid 4WD SUV should be enough.  Then it's just down to mileage.  I used to have a GMC Yukon that was solid as a rock, but unaffordable to gas up!
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving 2017/01/06 10:59:31 (permalink)
I used to spend a lot of time in Alaska, and was surprised by how common Subarus were up there. Probably half the cars on the road at the time. The rest were full-size pickups.
 
For myself, the best snow vehicles I ever owned were the now-discontinued Chevy Astro. Full-time AWD, good mileage for a van and room for all my gear. I had three of them. Survived being broadsided by a Mac truck (which hit the driver side door) in one of them.


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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving 2017/01/06 11:06:56 (permalink)
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving 2017/01/06 11:36:04 (permalink)
I have 2 Jeeps (a 98 Cherokee and an 07 Commander). When I buy my next vehicle it will be a Jeep as well. What really turned me on to the Jeep Cherokee was its performance as an EMS Supervisor's vehicle in DC back in the 90s. First year they were in service we had a heavy snow and the Jeeps went everywhere without a problem. Plus they lasted a long time (over 6 years) as front line emergency response vehicles. That means these vehicles were driven very hard every day, night and day, and at times by folks who really didn't care about the vehicle (we had one guy who would drive the vehicle in 4WD High even when the ground was dry as a bone). After six years and over 300,000 miles, they were still going. My Cherokee has almost 180,000 on it and it still runs great after 18, almost 19 years.
 
While the vehicle is a big help in bad weather, as Paulo noted it is more likely the other idiots  on the road that will cause problems. But I have also seen a number of idiots who drive 4WD vehicles and think because it is simply 4WD they can go anywhere at any speed they want. 4WD vehicles like a Jeep are a different animal from a regular car. You have to learn how to drive it, even in good weather. They have a higher CG and can tip over on a dry road at high speed if not careful.
 
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving 2017/01/06 11:55:58 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby craigb 2017/01/06 15:24:46
I can say to not get a truck unless it is 4 wheel drive or you plan to carry sand or some other weight in the bed. The rear ends are just too light to get much traction in winter weather.

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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving 2017/01/06 15:24:53 (permalink)
As the resident "car dealer" here, I'll throw in my thoughts for you Craig.
 
Subaru-Great in the snow and built sturdy. Good on gas. The problem with finding a nice used one is that folks tend to drive them til they are shot! If you do find one with decent miles for the year, make sure the timing chain/belt has been done. They are known to fail between 80 and 110k miles. That generally ruins the engine. If you buy one that hasn't been done, it's about $1k to have it done.
 
Jeep-I have one myself. Its a 2015 Grand Cherokee Limited. I love it, but it was $42k new. Used ones are good if they are 07 or newer. The older ones are known for rear differential problems, especially the Liberty. It's about a $2500 fix.
 
Ford Escape-Decent and relatively cheap on the used side.
 
Honda CRV & Toyota Rav 4-Reliable, but too light for my tastes.
 
Stay away from Nissan. The CVT transmissions are junk.
 
Chevy Equinox-Junk engines.
 
Kia/Hyundai-They've come along way since 05. Any thing later than that should be decent, but like the Honda and Toyota, a little light.
 
Chrysler-Beware!
 
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving 2017/01/06 15:35:14 (permalink)
I'm a big fan of survivability which is one reason I'm thinking SUV.  When my Camry got hit in the front at only 5 mph, it bent the frame and radiator, and buckled the hood pretty severely!  Right now I'm leaning towards Toyota or Subaru.
 
That Shogun looks pretty cool too, but I'm wondering if they even sell them in the U.S.; I've never seen one that I can remember!

 
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving 2017/01/06 15:38:57 (permalink)
my '92 ford explorer sport has done excellent here in powderville for the last 17 years......

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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving 2017/01/06 15:59:10 (permalink)
+1 for Subaru. I'm on my second. It's the unofficial car of Flagstaff.
 
The upper trim levels of the Forester and Outback have a feature called X-Mode, which provides forward drive when only one wheel has traction. I have a sloped driveway, and I've USED that feature!
 
I had a 2011 Outback, and now a 2014 Forester, which I prefer. Excellent sight lines, very easy to drive any time of the year and really usable space (you should see it loaded up for tailgating!).
 
As has been noted, Subies retain their value. They don't go on sale. They do have a "Share the Love" event each holiday season where they donate something like $250 to one from your choice of several non-profits. I have every intention of getting 20 years out of my Forester.
 
Beware the 4-wheel drive in vehicles like the Honda CRV and Toyota RAV-4. You pay a lot extra for the "feature" but it's not full time. It's automatic. Once the front wheels slip more than 10%, the back wheel drive kicks in. Almost always too late. Or they don't kick in at all if the slippage sensor has failed.
 
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving 2017/01/06 16:01:24 (permalink)
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving 2017/01/06 17:14:05 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby kitekrazy1 2017/01/10 21:19:28
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving 2017/01/06 17:34:30 (permalink)
If you know how to drive in the snow, the type of vehicle is almost irrelevant. If you're a brain dead moron who stomps on the pedals, spins the wheel like a maniac, and ignores every last vestige of uncommon sense, it won't matter if you're driving a tank. Stupid is as stupid crashes. In my experience, that accounts for at least 99.999999% of all drivers during rush hour. One solitary snowflake flutters to the ground and the average IQ instantly drops 50 points. There have been many times when I would drive a small front wheel drive car or a mini-van through snow that had paralyzed dozens of SUVs. It's not the car. It's the driver (or crash test dummy).
 
I was driving a Corolla during a blizzard one time when I was pulled over by a State Trooper in an SUV for driving in unsafe conditions. He said my car was unsafe to drive since it wasn't an SUV. He said that he could barely drive even with 4 wheel drive. I told him that since I wasn't having any difficulty, the problem must not be the vehicle. It took him a few minutes to get it. 
 
In extreme snow/ice, or on frozen mountain roads, studded snow tires and/or chains can make a noticeable difference, but you can't just leave them on for the winter. As a general rule, I avoid using trucks or front-heavy rear-wheel drive vehicles in the snow because I prefer to face forwards when I drive. I'm picky that way.
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving 2017/01/06 21:52:32 (permalink)
They seem to like subbies up here and Cherokees too.
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving 2017/01/06 22:28:45 (permalink)
I've got a Jeep Wrangler Unlimited and had zero issues with the snow and ice here in Dallas today. My only issue was with the other idiots on the road that have no idea how to drive in snow and icy conditions. It took me 2 1/2 hrs to get home, only 30 miles away. I was thinking all the way home, if I would have just driven the ditch all the way home, I would have cut my time in half.

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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving 2017/01/06 23:08:46 (permalink)
Land Rover Defender, Freelander or Discovery.
Suzuki Jimny and maybe Vitara.
Jeep
Land Cruiser

All can go pretty much anywhere and aren't phased by much so long as you know how to handle driving in ice, mud, whatever. Though any vehicle can slide on ice, I one had my Defender 110 skid it's two tons about 30 feet when I gently touched the brakes - the culprit was black ice that was almost undetectable until I stood on it. Wasn't doing more than about 15mph at the time either.

One important thing with four wheel drive is to ensure there is a differential lock in the gearbox at least, or traction control that can handle having wheels spinning and re-direct the torque to the wheels that are gripping. You can actually be worse off with four wheel drive if that's absent.

In a two-wheel drive vehicle, if either of the driven wheels starts just spinning because it's lost grip then that spinning wheel is going to be getting almost all of the power from the engine and you're stationary. Four-wheel drive means that if any wheel loses grip and spins, that spinning wheel gets the power.

But if there's either good traction control or a lock in the transfer gearbox that goes a very long way towards sorting that problem out. There's always the risk you'll lose grip to every wheel of course, but when that happens it's time to get out the recovery gear.

Studded tyres do work to an extent, but aren't a cure-all. Snow-chains work better, but will chew up tyres and the road even faster than the studs will unless only used while on snow or ice you can't otherwise get a grip on. Either or both may or may not be legal to use depending on where you are.

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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving 2017/01/07 07:16:16 (permalink)
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving 2017/01/07 08:30:31 (permalink)
Winter driving depends on 3 major things. In order of importance:
 
1. Tires
 
2. Driver's driving ability
 
3. Car type - all wheel or front wheel
 
If the 1st 2 are rated excellent then the last one won't matter so much.
 

Just make sure you plug it in for a while before starting.
 

 And keep the windows closed during snow storms.
 
 
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving 2017/01/07 13:21:20 (permalink)
Those last two look like fun!  (The ones above them, not so much!)  

 
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving 2017/01/07 14:31:40 (permalink)
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving 2017/01/07 14:50:39 (permalink)
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It doesn't really matter what you are driving. It's the ****wit behind you/coming the other way that is the problem.




Agreed. I don't recall any more accidents in Madison, WI than here in Portland, when the ice/cold hit over there and the lakes started freezing. People over there always seemed to be ready for it, and prepared. Here it's like ... I don't care ... and they don't know how to drive on ice and snow at all. Maybe the folks living on Mt. Hood might being a bit more used to it, but those in town? Yeah!

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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving 2017/01/07 17:00:13 (permalink)
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One solitary snowflake flutters to the ground and the average IQ instantly drops 50 points. 



When I worked on the ambulance we use to say, "Instant idiots - just add water". 




 
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving 2017/01/07 20:38:48 (permalink)
 
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving 2017/01/07 21:47:46 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2017/01/08 08:03:02
 

 
My favorite Top Gear episode.  Throughout the whole program there's cut-aways to a Relient sliding on its side!  LMAO!

 
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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving 2017/01/07 21:54:51 (permalink)
How did that ever get licensed for the road????

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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving 2017/01/08 08:49:14 (permalink)
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My favorite Top Gear episode.  Throughout the whole program there's cut-aways to a Relient sliding on its side!  LMAO!




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Re: Good vehicle(s) for snow, ice and wet driving 2017/01/08 11:52:03 (permalink)
Subaru.
 
I'd personally be wary of anything produced by Jeep/Chrysler in the last 30 years. 
 
Ford Explorer, not bad, I had a 2005 which ran great in all conditions.
 
I now drive a newer Ford F150 4x4 and I haven't fishtailed (yet)
 
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