rabeach
why can't the OP use the multi-out vsti version of flstudio inside sonar. 

This! I feel these two programs really complement each other nicely if you have a VST-heavy workflow. I love the MIDI and clip based aspects of FL Studio, but I always feel like I hit a brick wall in FLS once any sort of bouncing or audio file work is needed, and this type of stuff is just handled much more smoothly in Sonar for me.
 

I'm not going to read through the whole thread to check if anyone else has made the same points, but what immediately struck me was that if I'd had as many problems as this guy says he had with Sonar then I would have accrued way more than 33 forum posts (not including this one) in trying to rectify them. From another thread I read it seems clear that the guy didn't really make much of an effort to learn the software and clearly expect to be able to transfer his FL workflow to Sonar with far less effort. 
 
I get it, learning a complicated program is frustrating as hell when you don't know your way around it. Most people charge right in and feel that their awesome technical skillz will be enough to work out what's what. I went through lots of frustration learning Pro Tools and then I went through even more frustration when I switched to Sonar. What seems like second nature now was incredibly confusing when I first started and it's so easy to channel that frustration into a raging hatred of the program and everything to do with it. Try learning Adobe Illustrator or Premiere without a thorough reading of the manual, a textbook or video course. You will put your fist through the effing screen before the day's out, guaranteed. You will curse Adobe and their backwards ass way of designing a program, which clearly doesn't work correctly. Then you take the time to study how they work, and it doesn't seem so backwards ass, in fact it turns out to be quite positively forwards ass. 
 
I work primarily with MIDI and synths, but also some vocals and guitar. Sonar is versatile enough to approach music making with a building-block style philosophy in addition to the traditional track recording method. I use both approaches interchangeably and mix building blocks with long drawn out MIDI improvisations and audio performances. Ultimately I bounce everything to audio and then work with audio clips, switching back to VSTi's and MIDI if needs be. If you learn the software thoroughly then this workflow is not only doable, but very easy. Sure there are many improvements I'd like to see, but there's not a single DAW out there that has all of the features I want. Sonar has most of them, though.
 
This guy is perfectly entitled to his opinion, but we're also perfectly entitled to our opinion on his opinion. Personally I think he's quitting way too easily, especially in light of the investment he's made. If he stuck it out and made the effort to work through his problems I can quite easily see him looking back on this thread with embarrassment in a year's time. Or go back to Fruity Loops, whichever. 

Brando
The OP left the building (3 days ago).

Well, he is back to the forums today, just posting a few minutes ago in Craig's thread about end of song.
 

I remember as a child going to a relatives for Christmas. When It was time to leave there we were standing at the door with coats on and the door open with sub zero temperatures outside. Mom had already said goodbye many times but there was still one more thing to say...  I clearly remember thinking these are the same adults that scold me for leaving the door open. 
 
Finally after breaking a sweat from wearing my full array of winter gear out into the cold we go.... with just one more final goodbye.    

I would say that sharke either
 
a) has never been in a Costco
b) has only been in a Costco once
 

FWIW, it appears the Costco at Canoga and Roscoe(Canoga Park, Ca) is closed...

I've often said "Goodbye to Sonar", but that's always been when I topple out of my control chair onto the floor from too many IPA's.

gustabo

bitflipper
The elastic wore out too fast on the Hanes, so it's Fruit of the Loom for me now.
 

I have yet to find a brand where the elastic doesn't wear out from repeated washings...

I just wish I could find something with better support.
 
How's it hangin'?

Doktor Avalanche

michael diemer
I just wish I could find something with better support.
 
How's it hangin'?

Please reset your VSTs
BTW to the left, some adjustment is necessary.

Now now, let's not get political.

I completely understand the frustration, this is not an intuitive, user friendly program, and there are certain quirks of this program that are not covered in the videos or in the forums. If it wasnt for a friend who figured a lot of this out over 8 plus years with Sonar, who held my hand through this, i would have posted the same rant and chucked Sonar as well.The Forums can be useful, but there were too many "Keep Fighting man, you'll figure it out" posts too keep me going. I got lucky with my friend and i am making Music and somewhat enjoying this program, so lets have a little sympathy.

Bristol_Jonesey
Nice sentiment but you are replying to a 16 month old thread 

and so are you

Anderton

Graeme McTaggart
 
 
SONAR can combine piano rolls and step sequences in the same track and/or clip, and they can be opened independently and/or converted from one format to the other...or not.
 

 
ever try to bounce them all to one clip?   it actually deletes some of the content.  This has been discussed in great detail and replicated by other users... however... never resolved.

SONAR's learning curve is not for the faint of heart or the easily discouraged, but once you've figured it out you'll never leave.  Whenever I use another DAW all I think about is, "Wow, SONAR is much better at this."

With the new replies - how old is it now?