mike_mccue



"I'm gonna try the triple track/eq. (1 for lows/1 for mids/1 for highs) first thing in the morning."


Is that for the rhythm or the lead?

:-)

mike_mccue


Are the four rhythm tracks you mentioned different takes of the same part?

best,
mike

PGShadow


LOL!! Sorry DannY, I guess I forgot to mention I'm a cut & paste kinda guy...I don't do anything 4 times But I am pickin up on what your put'in down.
 I did play around alot with the planning, starting at 100%L/R and slowly brought them back in till settling on the current settings. But you are right they could spread out a touch more.
I may have "totally missed the point", but like I said before, you got me thinking in a different direction and I thoroughly enjoy thinking outside the box.
Peace, Kev

Danny Danzi


Triple track bass? As in bass guitar?! LOL! You're kidding, right? You maniac! I hope I read that wrong! Hahahahaha! You stick with me brother...I'll have you printing guitar symphony stuff in no time! Hahaha! :)

-Danny

Danny Danzi


 
Spacey: I will take it that your comment here was for me and if so, I'd like to once again try to explain my stance:
 
Suggestions may be offered so one may try and determine the value of a suggestion and
I'll never understand why another would try to diminish another forum members point of
view when it is within reason and offered as information for the person inquiring to decide the validity. Pretty strange really IMO
 
Your suggestion was to buy Eric Johnson videos which would be most helpful to anyone into the guitar. However, Eric has a completely different style and doesn't use high gain sounds. So all I meant to explain was, though he is a guitar hero and one of the best around, taking tone advice from him *may* not help you with a high gain Satch or Vai tone. Would you agree that I'd be correct in stating that possibility? You see, though you offered a suggestion, you didn't offer anything specific for the OP to try that answers his question in my opinion. You told him about a video that will help with aspects of guitar as well as techniques and tone....but is that the type of tone help that will give him the answers he seeks?
 
I personally do not think so because EJ has a more pure tone. This is where pick dynamics and all the things you and Mike mention come into play. When you have a high gain amp that is compressed and loaded with other processing gizmo's, this stuff is less apparent. I'm talking high gain saturation using a good front end with 12AX7 tubes as opposed to pedal gain or low gain and output tube saturation. This is what I meant when I said "these are totally different." When your tone is cleaner...your pick dynamics, attacks...all that stuff comes into play. Loads of a high gain sound with processors and 12AX7 tubes giving you nearly infinite sustain on the front end, and it is and never will be the same animal as a more purist tone.
 
I also made a mention of techniques such as artificial harmonics etc not playing a role in what gives a Vai or Satch sound...and now that Max has expanded on what his questions was all about, we see that the above mentioned "techniques" will not help him achieve what he was looking for. How am I wrong when the information your are posting (though good) is not really relevent to what the OP is asking for? Where do low gain methods or techniques from Eric Johnson assist a user with a high gain Satch or Vai sound that is looking for layers come into play when Eric Johnson has NEVER layered rhythm guitars like what we are talking about here to where they sound like a wall?
 
What *I* find strange is how you would take what I've said to heart in the way you have when I have been nothing but civil to you and informative with my explanations? It's not like you offered any techincal advice to the OP...to which I would not disgree with if it was really something that had something to do with layering or high gain. I just said in not so many words "EJ is great, but you don't call on a dude that uses a pure, low gain tone in place of a guy that does if you really want to learn and see what is going on." But for some reason, you have a problem with that and think that I have something against you. I can't explain it any better than I have and am sorry if you feel my opinion is too strong. I'm trying to help the guy with the shortest path to the finish line using my experience.
 
If you told him to buy a George Lynch, Vinnie Moore or John Petrucci video that explained their tones....I'd high five you because those guys are on the same page and within a similar style...and none of them uses a purist tone with low gain front end and loud output tube saturation for most on their dirty rhythm and lead stuff. Sure, they do the pure thing at times as nothing beats that low gain, high volume output tube tone for certain situations...but the OP mentioned specifically what he was after and I felt what you offered may not be the best solution based on my experience as well as my study of EJ. I'm sorry you feel the way you feel about my response and that I disrupted your suggestion with my comments. But, with all due respect I still hold true to my thoughts on this and I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
 
-Danny

maximumpower


Danny, you answered my question and then some. Thanks!

I like your guitar playing too. Wish I was half as talented. BATM sounded excellent to me.

Now I am full of inspiration and need to get some more guitar practice in so I can get that inspiration down on tape... or whatever the kids call it nowadays. :-)

Thanks to all who participated in this thread!