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Re: HELP SPREAD THE WORD!
2018/04/12 12:05:23
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"abbadon" is used by Cakewalk for authentication and pre-dates us at BandLab.
As to why it's called "abbadon" (I googled it) I have no idea :-) I will ask Noel and find out!
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Re: HELP SPREAD THE WORD!
2018/04/12 12:16:38
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Good stuff.
post edited by Studio-ES - 2018/04/13 05:19:09
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Re: HELP SPREAD THE WORD!
2018/04/12 12:27:48
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☄ Helpfulby fresh101 2018/04/12 15:21:04
I was pleased this morning to get an email from BandLab concerning the new CbB release. Now this gives me something to forward to friends and it just might interest them.
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Re: HELP SPREAD THE WORD!
2018/04/12 12:42:11
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meng
"abbadon" is used by Cakewalk for authentication and pre-dates us at BandLab.
As to why it's called "abbadon" (I googled it) I have no idea :-) I will ask Noel and find out!
That's another conspiracy theory gone. Thanks Meng
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Re: HELP SPREAD THE WORD!
2018/04/12 12:45:03
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Hoo boy the paranoia and negativity of some folk's in this world never ceases to amaze me :) File names, really? Some of this stuff has been there for 20 years in the app. Nothing new in Cakewalk by Bandlab there.
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Re: HELP SPREAD THE WORD!
2018/04/12 12:47:39
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meng
"abbadon" is used by Cakewalk for authentication and pre-dates us at BandLab.
As to why it's called "abbadon" (I googled it) I have no idea :-) I will ask Noel and find out!
Its just somebody's "quirky" sense of humor. Nothing dark or doomsday there. We have all kinds of weird names in some places. What's next auditing code quality based on file and variable names? :)
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Re: HELP SPREAD THE WORD!
2018/04/12 12:48:12
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I wouldn’t recommend Sonar/cakewalk to any friend,it’s just not stable enough,when I heard it was ceasing to exist I moved over to Reaper,unbelievable difference in stability .not 1 single crash so far and its so light on resources ,does everything sonar does and more it doesn’t .
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Re: HELP SPREAD THE WORD!
2018/04/12 12:51:20
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My guess is that the biggest surge of interest will be when one or more of the Music and PC magazines run an article on how to use Cakewalk by BandLab with a bunch of the freely available VSTs especially some of those available from commercial providers as loss leaders.
I think that for those who have taken the "free" route CbB offers a great way to move to something a bit more "up market" without paying for it.
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Re: HELP SPREAD THE WORD!
2018/04/12 15:17:52
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Mmmmmm....Yeah...It kinda was.iRelevant
What you are showing here is ironically the MIDI only prototype circulating the Interweb in the latter part of '97.
The marketing was "lone independent developer takes on the corporations" with shareware. "The only shareware worth paying for".
PS. I appreciate your initiative, but think it still is to early to make a push for CB.
Look, I'm not hating on FLStudio. I was one of the few people championing it around version 4 or 5 when it really got some legs. But you have to understand, Cakewalk, Cubase, Protools etc, were full fledged DAWS in the late 90's. While FL was still teething. Those early years and funny sounding name kinda gave it a bad rep (maybe an unfair one but still). A rep that I for one am very happy it was able to shake.
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Re: HELP SPREAD THE WORD!
2018/04/12 15:29:55
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pwalpwal
you should promote cakewalk by highlighting its good points, not by trashing the competition 
I'm not. I was pointing out it's very humble beginnings and it's original lack luster perception and how it was able to over come those things later partly by good word of mouth and healthy growth of it's user base. It's really an underdog story with a happy ending. I'm not a hater - I'm a congratulator
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Re: HELP SPREAD THE WORD!
2018/04/12 16:22:35
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fresh101
Mmmmmm....Yeah...It kinda was.
iRelevant
What you are showing here is ironically the MIDI only prototype circulating the Interweb in the latter part of '97.
The marketing was "lone independent developer takes on the corporations" with shareware. "The only shareware worth paying for".
PS. I appreciate your initiative, but think it still is to early to make a push for CB.
Look, I'm not hating on FLStudio. I was one of the few people championing it around version 4 or 5 when it really got some legs. But you have to understand, Cakewalk, Cubase, Protools etc, were full fledged DAWS in the late 90's. While FL was still teething. Those early years and funny sounding name kinda gave it a bad rep (maybe an unfair one but still). A rep that I for one am very happy it was able to shake.
I'm not saying you do, and couldn't care less if you did. I was using FL 1.0 and it's ever evolving iterations. I never viewed FL as a DAW, but as a sequencer. And a very capable one at that.
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Re: HELP SPREAD THE WORD!
2018/04/12 16:43:43
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fresh101
pwalpwal
you should promote cakewalk by highlighting its good points, not by trashing the competition
[...] It's really an underdog story with a happy ending.
[...]
I don't buy that story. It's just fake marketing.
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Re: HELP SPREAD THE WORD!
2018/04/12 16:51:53
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fresh101
Why is this notion facing so much resistance? Do we want Cakewalk/Bandlab to fail?
All I'm asking you to do is say "Hey, Cakewalk is a great Daw...You should give it a try...oh, and by the it's free now too"
Some of you guys act like I'm asking people to give blood or something. sheesh!
Perhaps because you have said it a zillion times already. we are not children. We get it. Chill...Wow!
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Re: HELP SPREAD THE WORD!
2018/04/12 16:57:06
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iRelevant
fresh101
pwalpwal
you should promote cakewalk by highlighting its good points, not by trashing the competition
[...] It's really an underdog story with a happy ending.
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I don't buy that story. It's just fake marketing.
Ok...
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Re: HELP SPREAD THE WORD!
2018/04/12 17:34:20
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
meng
"abbadon" is used by Cakewalk for authentication and pre-dates us at BandLab.
As to why it's called "abbadon" (I googled it) I have no idea :-) I will ask Noel and find out!
Its just somebody's "quirky" sense of humor. Nothing dark or doomsday there. We have all kinds of weird names in some places. What's next auditing code quality based on file and variable names? :)
i once got asked about a variable named whatA****ingJoke
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Re: HELP SPREAD THE WORD!
2018/04/12 17:42:41
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"Considering Cakewalk was, if not THE most bloated software on the planet, releasing it stripped down is a nice change. No more of those tons of plugs every update.
Oh well, one man's "bloat" is another man's well-fed Alpaca.
Just to be clear. that was not my quote but a quote I lifted from Gear slutz forum. I thought it was out of line too and posted a reply there stating " Go ahead and call Plug ins bloat, I'm sure many here collect as many as they can grab. " And then I said Sonar lets you install or not install as many as you wish. I shouldn't bother trying to defend Cakewalk on Gearslutz. It sort of a hopless bunch there.
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Re: HELP SPREAD THE WORD!
2018/04/12 17:49:36
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danbottomburp
I wouldn’t recommend Sonar/cakewalk to any friend,it’s just not stable enough,when I heard it was ceasing to exist I moved over to Reaper,unbelievable difference in stability .not 1 single crash so far and its so light on resources ,does everything sonar does and more it doesn’t .
That´s the matter why I would never recommend Reaper to a friend , Reaper is instable ,looks crazy and has a strange workflow. Even to announce that CbB is free in the Reaper forum motivates the mods there to delete such threads/posts. Who is afraid of CbB ?
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Re: HELP SPREAD THE WORD!
2018/04/12 19:06:44
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I guess are you joking, but you forgot to put smile at the end  Just in case someone take that seriously... Pragi
danbottomburp
I wouldn’t recommend Sonar/cakewalk to any friend,it’s just not stable enough,when I heard it was ceasing to exist I moved over to Reaper,unbelievable difference in stability .not 1 single crash so far and its so light on resources ,does everything sonar does and more it doesn’t .
That´s the matter why I would never recommend Reaper to a friend ,
Reaper is instable ,
The only stable DAW I have observed so far is Reaper... but I have not given S1 a try (most reports claim it is also stable). When it crashes, that are some plug-ins, can be investigated pitting them into "jail" (separate process) to check.
looks crazy
It looks exactly like someone whats it to look. In addition to build-in color tuning, most important parts of the interface can be "defined" by user (so not only how something looks, like for Sonar, but also what is displayed, when and how that behaves on resizing).
and has a strange workflow.
Unlike f.e. Tracktion and Ableton, it has "traditional" workflow. Just with simple yet awesome idea that in computer world it make no sense to separate audio tracks, MIDI tracks, buses, auxes and folders. "Something" can take any role (or a combinations of roles). They call that "something" a Track. Once upon a time UN*X has declared "everything is file". That has ruled out many other concepts...
Even to announce that CbB is free in the Reaper forum motivates the mods
there to delete such threads/posts.
Happy existing there: https://forums.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=205239With my comments what CbB has and Reaper has not (yes! there are such areas!).
Who is afraid of CbB ?
I do not know who afraid of CbB, but I think some DAW writers should fear the Reaper. I don not know how good its developers can play guitar, but they are excellent "old school" programmers (absolute consequent in logic and do not use any wrappers nor unproved by time technologies).
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Re: HELP SPREAD THE WORD!
2018/04/12 19:16:54
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2018/04/12 19:46:35
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[...] but I have not given S1 a try [...]
Maybe if you did, there would be some hope for those of us looking to port cwp files to S1
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Re: HELP SPREAD THE WORD!
2018/04/12 19:46:42
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mettelus
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[...] but I have not given S1 a try [...]
Maybe if you did, there would be some hope for those of us looking to port cwp files to S1
No API and explicit not willing to cooperate in that (unlike Sonar and Reaper) + no accessibility + strange declarations about legacy (in software and hardware) was too many show stoppers. I already had to write a small plug-in for my DP with Reaper, for "Sonar MIDI shortcuts" like functionality. What could I do in such situation with S1? Cry? Beg? Hope? Apart for the "negativity" someone can read in my posts, I am still more or less "loyal" to Sonar->CbB. I still support AZController, this week have started to write one fancy MFX, etc. But something in me is in disagreement with Presonus. So I have refused to give the parser code to potential CWP->S1 developer... Sorry. Also I am not sure about ReaCWP future. Since Cakewalk is alive again, someone can gently (or not) ask me to shut it up
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Re: HELP SPREAD THE WORD!
2018/04/12 21:31:23
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No joke,arslow,
but that´s my experience, something you forgot to mention
about your experience with Reaper/Sonar.
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Pragi
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Re: HELP SPREAD THE WORD!
2018/04/12 21:40:41
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And to say it clear, imo the Reaper ui is really ugly, the workflow a desaster. If the Reaper ui and workflow fits your needs better, congratulations, but why you are arguing in the Cakewalk forum about Reaper ? Sure you are no troll ? 
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Re: HELP SPREAD THE WORD!
2018/04/13 06:47:08
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☄ Helpfulby iRelevant 2018/04/13 08:35:23
Pragi
And to say it clear,
imo the Reaper ui is really ugly, the workflow a desaster.
If the Reaper ui and workflow fits your needs better, congratulations,
but why you are arguing in the Cakewalk forum about Reaper ?
Since years I read "this UI is ugly", "that DAW is the best", "that is a disaster". And not in the context of one particular DAW. Open S1/Reaper/Cubase/Ableton friendly forum, and you see all the same statements, just with exchanged DAW names. That has prevented me to look around before. Sonar/CbB has strong points compare to other DAWs. Some are in functionality, some are deep inside the concept. Discussing that and using advantages to "spread the word" can be informative and convincing for people. F.e (NOT a complete list), in Sonar/CbB it is possible to: + have track inspector and console view at the same time + see FX list in the track view + see what your Surface control with WAI + combine loops in Matrix + edit and save loops + export program changes from MIDI track control into MIDI file + use project/marker pitches to auto-adjust groove clip pitch + use musical and absolute markers at the same time + sync program selection with key names in PRV (combined Ins files) + use ARA integration + use ProChannel concept + enjoy sample accurate fixed project rate positioning All that is in the range from "workaround", throw "not yet" up to "not possible" in Reaper. But the following make no big sense: = when 2 interfaces use the same concept of comprizable animated bitmaps, declaring one of them as "ugly" and other as "perfect" = compare 2 DAWs with identical general workflow and just say one is "a desaster". And claiming known strong sides of another DAW is counterproductive: - stability - performance If you see my points as "trolling", sorry.
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Re: HELP SPREAD THE WORD!
2018/04/13 07:21:37
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It was you who started arguing about "Reaper/Cakewalk comparison without writing that it´s your opinion aso - suggesting that your opinion is opjective about which DAW is the best. It´s simply not . Imo the best UI and workflow is by far 1. Cakewalk then 2. Logic 3. Samplitude ----------- ----------- ------------ 7. "Cockos" Reaper The workflow and ui are the reason why Reaper is not more popular . Again, just my 2 cents. Your excuse is accepted. Have a nice day 
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Re: HELP SPREAD THE WORD!
2018/04/13 07:39:59
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Hoo boy the paranoia and negativity of some folk's in this world never ceases to amaze me :)
File names, really? Some of this stuff has been there for 20 years in the app. Nothing new in Cakewalk by Bandlab there.
Don't worry Noel, they obviously believe Cakewalk is developed by the Illuminati, is responsible for chemtrails and that Cakewalk devs are complicit in trying to cover up the fact that the earth is flat :)
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Re: HELP SPREAD THE WORD!
2018/04/26 14:17:37
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Thought I'd give this a little bump. Still a relevant subject.
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Re: HELP SPREAD THE WORD!
2018/04/26 18:58:16
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☄ Helpfulby fresh101 2018/04/27 17:19:49
I have been trying to steer people towards CpB but not getting much success so far. Very similar to my experience in past. The great things about it are amazing, but the downsides are still there. Hoping that will change. I realized with my students my best chance of getting them to give serious look is assemble best freeware vst package to accompany to make it more functional. Included instruments are just not going to cut it. Still optimistic though.
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Re: HELP SPREAD THE WORD!
2018/04/26 20:40:31
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☄ Helpfulby fresh101 2018/04/27 17:21:10
I've been surprised that I haven't had much traction with people myself. I've definitely mentioned it to people as a great positive, but so far I don't think there's been a single download based on my interactions. One person said he "might" try it with a fellow musician friend from school to collaborate, but he currently uses Studio One and is happy with that. He knows I use a bunch of DAWs in my studio, and I've said some very positive things about Cakewalk as a tool to work with his friends, especially now that it's free. But the fact that it's free doesn't do much for him. Again, surprising.
There is also a family of great musicians I know filled with talented kids and a limited budget who would really benefit from Cakewalk too -- it would obviously save them money and be great for them -- but apparently, they're all Mac people now, and they won't be switching platforms. They're all still using Garage Band and seem to be going Logic due to classes and friends. One of them is learning Reaper. Cakewalk is definitely not on their radar. But beyond that, it's interesting to listen to their reactions about DAWs -- the cost of Logic or Reaper is NOT an issue for them, even though they have limited funds. What matters to them is WHO uses the DAW in their circles/community, not the COST, as long as it's under a couple of hundred dollars.
I'm starting to think that this will take a lot more time to play out, and overall to see what happens in the market. Maybe this "free" thing is not really a big deal. BandLab needs to show a consistent release schedule and solid progress of course, and probably appeal to the collaboration side like they do with their online product. But I am honestly surprised there hasn't been any take-up with people I know. My previous predictions that this might have a huge impact on the DAW market might be WAY off. This might be a slow burn kind of situation... a long play. Free or not free, not sure it makes a difference now... at least with many folks I know... they do NOT mind paying for DAW software. I don't mean to be a downer, just sharing my thoughts. Wondering if others have had a similar reaction from people they've talked with.
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Re: HELP SPREAD THE WORD!
2018/04/26 20:45:23
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P.S. And any of the pros I work with or *personally* know who already have been using other DAWs for a long time are NOT interested in Cakewalk thus far. Those firmly in the Cubase, Pro Tools, Reaper or Studio One camps seem more or less satisfied where they are, often having gone through various switches in the recent past, and not interested in doing it again, or are already running more than one DAW and have their workflow pretty stabilized. And the "free" status means pretty much nothing to them.
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Re: HELP SPREAD THE WORD!
2018/04/27 16:34:13
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One thing I am running into is they seem intrigued when I pull up initial interface but I lose them when i pull up instruments. I can put together a more impressive demo using free version of presonus instrument than included cakewalk instruments. I'm kind of baffled why they didn't include old but decent quality instruments like Session Drummer or zeta+. At the very least an all-around rompler would go a long way. A demo using the SI instruments and general midi is not going to grab attention. Mind you,, those instruments are not bad per say. They are just too limited. particularly when it comes to drums. In damn near every pop genre (and many underground genres) custom drum kits are everything. If they are going to include a drum program that cannot have custom sounds, at least change soundset to fit current drum trends. Groove synth actually may have appeal to those seeking vintage sounds, but without a facelift, it comes across as an old throwaway.
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