Has anyone used a Smart Compressor in mastering?

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Re:Has anyone used a Smart Compressor in mastering? 2011/10/04 12:21:47 (permalink)
Danny, thanks again....so now I have read up on ARC as well.  Very interesting stuff.   Sounds like before I go off and start spending money on new plugs, I might be better served saving up for ARC.  My room right now is not really treated in any way, I have just kind of stratefically moved some of the furniture around, added ruggs, drapes, and stuff to help with the accoustics.  Not to wear out my welcome here, but will ARC help considerably with room correction.....even if you really have not done any physical correction to the room at all?

I also highlighted your comment on the multiband compressor and correcting certain frequencies.  I need to do try this.  I read a long time ago that if you did n't know what you are doing with a multiband, you can mess up your mix awfully fast, so I have just stayed away from one.  I guess though that the opposite is also true....if you don't try, you are never going to learn how to use it.  I have a song right now that I am mixing that is just a straight acoustical guitar piece, very few tracks, but the next one that I mix with Bass in it; I am going to specifically work on some of the material that you have given me here.

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Re:Has anyone used a Smart Compressor in mastering? 2011/10/04 13:55:22 (permalink)
No problem bro...no such thing as wearing out a welcome. If you don't ask, you don't learn, ya know? :) As for ARC, I've done nothing to my room other than fill it up with gear. No ugly decor (other than my ugly mug) some acoustic ceiling tiles and of course my walls are built "room within a room" with space in between for soundproofing. But other than that, I have nothing and it's totally fixed my issues.

In all the studio's I've worked in, I always use ARC and it's been incredible. I have an artical I wrote in the software section on this site about it that may help you a bit more...and there's one on my site that shows how to set it up and use it etc. I've always used it with a sub and done my corrections with a sub being on though...but in my situation, I've done corrections with it without my sub being on and it sounds like the sub is on...so it's done it's job. I bought into a new studio with a partner a few months back and now that we got all the stuff we need, I just ARC'd it the other day. It sounds fantasic. Now in there, the whole place was built to studio specs...walls, bass traps, difusers...we have everything in this place. But the weird thing...is sounds exactly the same as my studio here and everything is translating fine. The only failed correction I've done was on NS-10's by themselves with no sub. They failed miserably and ARC coulnd't even save them or make them sound even fair. Corrections done with a sub turned on with the NS-10's made them sound fantastic though...so they are fine now. I've never had a set of monitors fail me other than the NS-10's though...and I've ARC'd a lot of rooms and monitors since I got it. So hopefully you'd be ok. I'd definitely get a sub though to play it safe.

On the multi-band thing...that's true you can wreck a mix in seconds if you're not using it right. But it helps to know how to use it before you just fire it up. Try not to use it as a crutch though. I only use it when I have to. Weird bass low notes, whoomfing dirty guitars etc...stuff like that it works great because you have control over the exact frequency that is causing trouble where an eq will kill it and all the octaves as well. This way with the MB, it's only going to kick in when that note exceeds a certain threshold and you'll be fine. Good luck man! :)

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Re:Has anyone used a Smart Compressor in mastering? 2011/10/04 20:54:11 (permalink)
I too am patiently awaiting the right sale for the UAD quad flexi or quad omni (the quad flexi ($1800 street) gets the user 2-3 'warm' plugins while the omni ($3500 street) contains dozens (way too much)).  But to have a decent UAD arsenal costs $3500+/-, as each plugin is $200-300).

I'm counting on the stock market to crash by October 29th and cash in on the savings by then.  If anyone has similar ideas, please chime.

Danny recommended some of his favs to me a couple days ago. (I don't think he'd mind me posting them here ... as his words (and song phrases) are so vital to me):
Precision: Multiband, bus comp.
 
Neve: 1073, 1081, 33609 compressor
 
Fatso Jr./Sr. compressor
 
Studer Tape deck (for tape type sounds as well as cool saturated lo-fi capability)
 
Cambridge Eq (nice surgical eq with loads of options)
 
Transient Designer (excellent for bringing drums to life, adding more attack as well as sustain in instruments that may be a bit dead sounding)
 
Pultec Pro (this is just a fabulous eq for just about anything and really does a nice job on guitars, strings, piano and anything that occupies mid range)
 
Those would be my necessity pieces to get started. The SSL stuff is really cool...but you’ll have the NEVE stuff which is just as good...just a bit different. But definitely consider the things I listed as I sincerely feel they would help you in many ways. Those are the pieces I use the most. If you are in need of a good reverb, the EMT 250 is killer. The real unit is like....priceless, so to get this model at the price they offer is just insane. I also use pro verb, dream verb and the emt 140.
 
That’s the best advice I can offer. If price was an issue, I’d go with a Duo card, the precision stuff, the NEVE stuff, and the Studer. Even there that’s a nice chunk of change...but to me, it’s well worth it. Hope this helps. :) It all depends what types of processors you are looking for...which is why I gave you my most used to choose from.

IIRC, all these come with the quad omni, except the Studer Tape deck ($300). 

Like Jeff, I'm hard pressed to fit this in my 'tight' budget, and will seek the most affordable solution in these tough times (without going further into debt)

One serious turn-off for many, with the UAD stuff, is that there's no USB (2 or 3) solutions ... just obsolete firewire solutions (... except for those protools macbooks).  Laptop Sonar users must bounce/freeze their UAD stuff at the home studio, before going on the road with it.  I suppose some mini-tower computers can be bought to replace the laptop DAW on the road, to allow pci card swapping (or a separate card purchased for each computer). 

UAD tech support is, IMO/experience, excellent ... and "lifelong"; far better than IK multimedia, Waves, Izotope, and other DAW-plugin companies I've worked with.  And yes, UAD contains the Win7-64 drivers for 64bit Sonar.

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Re:Has anyone used a Smart Compressor in mastering? 2011/10/04 22:30:57 (permalink)
It is interesting adjusting compression on tracks and over a stereo mix. I think over a mix it takes a little practice and getting used to. Here is a thread I started about how to go about one procedure for basic setting procedures. Mike Stavrou (Australian Engineer) also proposes this approach:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2116921

I like to get the Attack sorted out early because once you do then other things tend to flow after that such as Release. This can be elusive to some degree. I favoured 600 ms on one slower tune, 300 ms from time to time and 150 ms often. While you are doing these two things you can choose a fairly high ratio and set the threshold somewhere down in the music so it is making the compressor work a bit. Look at the GR meter. Then when you have got the attacks sounding right and then release you can starting thinking about the Ratio and what sort of ratio you are after. Mastering, yeah ratios of 1.5 a lot for me on this CD I have just done but with some 2.0 here and there on some of the heavier things. Then last of all where are we going to put the Threshold now to get the required amount of gain reduction. 3db for me on the C2 for almost all of it. 4 db in some spots. By this time the music should be just sounding way better an amazing through the comp and you are not even hearing the comp doing it's thing at all. The transients are still there because you allowed them through in step 1. The release is rocking nicely back in with the groove a bit. The ratio is giving you the desired amount of squash so to speak. And the threshold is just about the right level to result in the required amount of GR.

There is this thread too about how to test you plugins and even analog gear:

http://forum.cakewalk.com...82&mpage=1#2286070

Not many have taken this test up. But it interesting and cool. Basically you end up hearing silence most of the time except for the parts where the compressor does its gain reduction downward and back up. It is all about how that sound comes and goes. And guess what, on a supremo device like the C2 it is sweet as silk! On bad digital plugins it jerks badly in and out. It also can help you immensely set up a compressor too. Many digital plugins that start out sounding jerky in the null mode can often be made sweet and smooth. You will never hear it as easily while the music is present.

I think it is important to take the compression in mind while thinking about the limiting that is going to come after.

And Philip don't forget that Danny like me loves the Alan Smart C2 compressor, you have not mentioned on your list. And belive me it certainly deserves to be there.


post edited by Jeff Evans - 2011/10/04 22:32:57

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Re:Has anyone used a Smart Compressor in mastering? 2011/10/04 22:53:37 (permalink)
Jeff, Philip's list was in reference to strictly UAD plugs since he was thinking of getting it. I gave him the plugs I use the most on the UAD which is what he was sharing. :) Just wanted to clear that up.

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Re:Has anyone used a Smart Compressor in mastering? 2011/10/05 00:18:23 (permalink)
Hin Danny and Philip Yes sorry I realised that after I wrote it but hey any good C2 plugins out there. What would be the best and closest thing to it from UAD or anyone?

I have been listening to my finished master now for a few days and I have realised how bright it is! But the client likes it and everyone is happy but the top end is just so clear. Good thing about this is that he is doing a promo run of 60 copies before the main album so I have got a window if I want to get in there and change anything. I boosted no treble anywhere (in fact I had a permanent rolloff applied) and yet there is still plently of it left in the final. I need to pull it down even more.

One thing I do notice though is there is a disadvantage of having the end  result waveform sitting right at -0.1 db  and that is that many converters especially in the cheaper variety don't like things at that level and they sometimes fall apart a bit as a result. They can get bright and nasty at those sort of levels. Another reason we need to pull back in our mastering to get clear of that so cheaper converters in playback units have at least half a chance.
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Re:Has anyone used a Smart Compressor in mastering? 2011/10/07 13:04:44 (permalink)
My work can be mastering an upward trend, so I am eager to get the compressor. I am still willing to check the 2500 API She seemed very excited about that. I should be able to provide equipment distributors here in Australia.
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