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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 08:05:02
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Karl, I've had similar thoughts too. I've had a dual-monitor setup for many years, probably since before Sonar 5 and thought I'd never look back. Nowadays I have three 21" monitors but had considered swapping them for a single larger monitor (24" perhaps) because of the multidock, and to get a higher resolution. I do like having the console view permanently displayed on the second monitor though so not certain about this one yet.
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 08:08:52
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I know it might seem like heresy to the OP (  ) but, although I've tried, I just can't seem to get on with screensets; it may be down to the stuff I record more than anything though. I use two monitors - my 24" is between my speakers, and I have a 22" balanced precariously (and secured with Blutak) on top of my my adjacent hifi speakers. I basically only have the 24" monitor on for tracking and comping, and use them both for MIDI stuff (with the PRV open on the 22") and for mixing (with the TV and the CV open).
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 08:09:57
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I'm still using my 2 22" monitors here..side by side...with speakers forward...that way nothing bouncing off other stuff.... 
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 08:21:04
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"I am 4ft from speaker L, 4ft from speaker R, so 4ft between speakers... 2 * 24" monitor =44" width.. so defining sweetspot does not preclude 2 monitors :)"
No, it doesn't but it does add a big 44" reflective surface right in the middle where it mucks up your sound.
I'm also guessing that your speaker cones, are closer to 60", center to center, apart.
If you go too wide you loose the center focus... the important part... and you have to imagine it.
If you have a big panel of *reflector* in between the speakers... you are not just listening to your speakers... you're listening to comb filtered mush.
Heck there may not even be a sweet spot. ;-)
I've always thought that setting a room up to sound good is a good priority.
That's why I retired my second DAW monitor right after I tried working with one.
I have a couple multi monitor video and graphics set ups but I go single monitor for sound cause the sound is the most important part about sound.
I've mentioned this a few times here at the forum... but many people seem to have differing priorities.
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 08:28:16
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My main display is 29" so it works great with X1/X2. A 2nd one above it handles the Lynx mixer and some other small things/
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 08:50:56
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I still use two monitors. And I don't see why everyone else doesn't either.  I take the multi dock and put it on the second monitor and put all vst's,vsti's, PRV on that. There, everything out the way and still easy to get to. (Can we get customized grouping on the tabs in the multi-dock? The ability to re-arrange the tabs would be good! Screen sets for the multi-dock!) I find that I am using screen sets more, and when I do it's mostly for one monitor. But I always have my #1 screen set setup with my multi-dock on the second monitor. I mean that's why I bought into X1! It was due to the multi-dock!! Everything else was "Eh, we'll see" I would use the TV more but have't figured out how to get PRV to be big enough. I have seen pics of people using PRV in TV with Big notes. IOW, they have just the part of the midi they are working on in focus. And I'm not talking about the Magnifier. And did anyone notice that when you have two monitors and use 'Full Screen" on X2 it fills the second screen too!! Sweet! I want to see if I can make that into a screen set.
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 08:51:31
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computer monitors should not be in front of the plane of the near fields or you will get comb filtering as Mike suggests. but it's pretty presumptuous to think that's what we all do or that our priorities are not for the sound. I have 2 - 24" monitors between my speakers, but behind them in the plane of that triangle diagram. I know where my sweet spot is because I have small mirrors (2" diagonal) mounted on my speakers. when I can see my eyes in both mirrors, I'm in the right place for listening. IF I need to edit WHILE listening, I have a wireless keyboard with me. Long arms are not required.
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 09:00:47
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Grem, I can't think off the top of my head (too many prescribed tablets clouding my mind, but that's another story for another forum) whether the PRV has its own zoom or whether it shares the one with the track view, but either way bottom right-hand corner there are click-and-draggable horizontal & vertical zoom buttons. You'll then need to scroll the PRV into place to see what you want.
And I'm a big fan of the full-screen mode too. I'm sure it must be able to be stored in a screen set, as if you enable it and then invoke a set that's programmed without it, it will change to that mode.
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 09:10:36
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Actually, Beagle, he's got me bang to rights. My priorities are porn on one monitor, World of Warcraft on the other, and the speakers wherever they'll go after that. The genius idea of not putting things in between the speaker and my ear had literally never occurred to me until Mike proved on the internet that he's smarter than the rest of us.
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 09:13:46
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The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate. Bushpianos
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 09:31:13
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How did a genuine question on here about the X series reducing the number of screen monitors needed degenerate into it being pointed out that the screens shouldn't be placed in front of the speakers? Oh yeah I remember...... I'm not worried anyway my speakers are in the screens, I've got four of 'em. (Speakers that is) 
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 09:36:16
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Actually I had been looking for a new monitor but the dang thing of it is is that if I get another monitor I'd have to sneak it by Audrey....
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 09:37:05
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I've gone from 2x21" monitors to 1x27" monitor with the advent of screensets. For a while I continued on with two monitors simply because I multi-boxed in a MMORPG I used to play, but once I stopped doing that, I gave the two 21" monitors to my step-son (he still games), and bought the one 27" monitor and all has been great.
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 09:38:37
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You don't really need speakers anyway, I just draw all the notes in and whack it through Har-Bal.
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 11:03:17
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Beagle
computer monitors should not be in front of the plane of the near fields or you will get comb filtering as Mike suggests.
but it's pretty presumptuous to think that's what we all do or that our priorities are not for the sound.
I have 2 - 24" monitors between my speakers, but behind them in the plane of that triangle diagram. I know where my sweet spot is because I have small mirrors (2" diagonal) mounted on my speakers. when I can see my eyes in both mirrors, I'm in the right place for listening.
IF I need to edit WHILE listening, I have a wireless keyboard with me. Long arms are not required.
Ditto.. i built an extension on the back of the desk for the monitors specifically for this reason.. and valued comment highlighted ;)
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 11:07:24
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FastBikerBoy
How did a genuine question on here about the X series reducing the number of screen monitors needed degenerate into it being pointed out that the screens shouldn't be placed in front of the speakers?
Oh yeah I remember......
I'm not worried anyway my speakers are in the screens, I've got four of 'em. (Speakers that is)
Wait a second you mean I can't have my monitors behind my monitors? What if I put my monitors in front of my monitors? Would that be OK? I know I'll just use ear buds. Are there any eye buds? I know I'll stack my monitors on top of one another with the monitors in between the two monitors or vice versa.
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 11:11:38
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I have two 22" monitors for my desktop and, even though I love screensets, I still make full use of both monitors. The one thing that has changed for me with screensets is that I find working with Sonar Xx on my laptop MUCH more bearable than before.
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 11:29:01
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FastBikerBoy
Each to their own. I found earlier versions of Sonar on a single monitor a nightmare for the way I like to work.
I think X1 introduced the idea to many that you may need to invest in a greater vertical resolution from a monitor than was previously recognized as being an essential requirement even to see the pro-channel inspector in it's entirety. I can work comfortably on any application with a single monitor the size of the display required to run the first of the X series. The fact that it prompted many to look at a minimum of a vertical 1200 pixel display may have helped in the perception that a single monitor is now all that's needed where two monitors may have been required before. A dual setup is still helpful in many scenarios. I wish I had a spare screen sometimes. (p.s can someone explain to Mike that scoring studios have acres of screen real estate that doesn't compromise the listening environment. He seems to have wandered down yet another blind alley, bless him! Still, as long as he ends up convincing himself of something while he's here, that's all that matters.)
post edited by Jonbouy - 2012/09/27 11:38:48
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 11:54:35
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Er.... yeah I take all I said about one monitor back. Wow is all I can say. I've just installed the two screens and apart from not being able to see my speakers that are now behind them I 've just opened my track screenset on a project I'm currently mixing and in the CV I can see 37 wide strips and a good 90 or so bars in my timeline that runs along the top. I realise the timeline bit depends on the zoom factor but it's easy enough to pick out each bar and more importantly see plenty of markers. How have I ever managed with the mish mash I had before? Mix sounds a bit muddy though....
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 11:55:20
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FastBikerBoy
How did a genuine question on here about the X series reducing the number of screen monitors needed degenerate into it being pointed out that the screens shouldn't be placed in front of the speakers?
Oh yeah I remember......
I'm not worried anyway my speakers are in the screens, I've got four of 'em. (Speakers that is)
Wait a second you mean I can't have my monitors behind my monitors? What if I put my monitors in front of my monitors? Would that be OK? I know I'll just use ear buds. Are there any eye buds? I know I'll stack my monitors on top of one another with the monitors in between the two monitors or vice versa.
 One thing...what if one interleave the the monitors would that cause all kinds of gaussing?
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2012/09/27 12:03:00
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Er.... yeah I take all I said about one monitor back.
Wow is all I can say. I've just installed the two screens and apart from not being able to see my speakers that are now behind them I 've just opened my track screenset on a project I'm currently mixing and in the CV I can see 37 wide strips and a good 90 or so bars in my timeline that runs along the top. I realise the timeline bit depends on the zoom factor but it's easy enough to pick out each bar and more importantly see plenty of markers. How have I ever managed with the mish mash I had before?
Mix sounds a bit muddy though....
It's good to have something to hide those messy looking speakers behind. Man they are such an eyesore.
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 12:03:23
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2+ will always be an option for me, as I use mainly loops / instrument vsts AND rewire with reason.. one screen (when I use the laptop) although useable.. spend time switching between things.
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 12:09:25
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I have always used 2 monitors and still do - I tend to really prefer using the console view for almost everything, while using the track view for editing and not much else.
I've always preferred to have 1 screen dedicated to the console view and 1 screen dedicated to track view.
Personally, I've found the multidock and skylight interface a bit challenging / frustrating, likely because I haven't taken the time to get used to any benefits it may derive, but I always found the console & track views each on one screen as most comfortable for me.
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 12:46:58
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I currently have (or did have when my studio was still in use) 2 x 24" monitors but am looking at 2 x 27" so that I can put them further away from me making sure they are plenty far behind the speaker field. ie behind the triangle used in finding the sweet spot.
Before I commit to that however I'm going to experiment using my 42" LED TV which works on a pixel by pixel basis with a 1920 x 1080 resolution.
Any thoughts!
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 13:07:21
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I have two either 22 or 24" monitors not sure which side by side. I would miss the second monitor if I didn't have it.
My method of working usually involves main mix on the left either console view or tracks view. The right monitor is used mainly for selecting from the browser midi editing plug in adjustment...that kind of thing. When I decide to undock something I move it to the right monitor.
If I only had one monitor it would take more time to go between windows. I suppose I could shrink and resize. For me the size of the 24" is about right. My desk moves in the middle so I can put them right where I want them.
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 13:10:06
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I currently have (or did have when my studio was still in use) 2 x 24" monitors but am looking at 2 x 27" so that I can put them further away from me making sure they are plenty far behind the speaker field. ie behind the triangle used in finding the sweet spot.
Before I commit to that however I'm going to experiment using my 42" LED TV which works on a pixel by pixel basis with a 1920 x 1080 resolution.
Any thoughts!
take care of the pixel pitch on the 27" screens.. i think its smaller than the 24".. iirc a 1920*1200 24" has same pixel pitch as 30".. umm, so why not make room for 2*42" and toss the glasses away?
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Re:Has the Sonar X series had this affect on anyone else?
2012/09/27 13:33:31
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The X2 interface is HUGE for me. Until now, I spent a LOT of time thinking "I really need another monitor..." but couldn't justify the cost just to move some windows out of the way. The very first time I launched X1 I realized I wouldn't need another monitor after all! And with Auto Track Zoom and Timeline Zoom in X2 it's gotten even better. I certainly wouldn't mind a 32" beauty on my desktop, but that's just because my eyes are not what they use to be.
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